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Who's the weakest DC/Marvel character that can stomp Dr. Manhattan?

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Manmademan said:
616 Doom is slightly better than Reed is, yes. The ALTERNATE versions of Reed are all crazy immoral though, and beat their versions of Victor Von Doom. (sorta- there's an infinite number of alternate worlds, and that's not always true.)
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Richards has beaten Doom a ton of times in 616 though. Moreso than the other way around. The fact that Doom is obsessed with beating Richards, but Reed doesn't really give a shit about Doom unless he is causing trouble, doesn't really sync up with Doom being superior.
 
kswiston said:
I don't know if Doom could beat Dr Manhattan. In the much more grounded Watchmen universe, he's basically the smartest being on the planet with the power of God. Even Ozymandias was seeking approval from him at the close of that book.

Since it's Comics! and all that, anyone could beat anyone, but Dr. Manhattan would be hard to top. Most of Marvel's matter manipulators aren't omniscient or indestructible.
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We already discussed how Doom could beat Silver Surfer.

Seeds said:
Manhattan can simultaneously exist on different planets if he so choose to. Unless Doom is also importal, worst case senario for Manhattan would be that he has to wait.
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Doom probably is immortal. I'm sure he wouldn't die unless he became bored with life or something.
 
I love all these comic book topics. I rarely read comics but I feel like a damn expert after going through these (In comparison to my prior knowledge. I know I am no expert). Plus it's all very interesting.
 
Sorian said:
We already discussed how Doom could beat Silver Surfer.
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I'd say Dr. Manhattan is above Silver Surfer. He held himself back, trying to cling to his humanity for most of the Graphic novel, but his powers were constantly increasing and the logical endpoint is that he becomes God. Silver Surfer has a lot of power, but he's still limited. Marvel has had the hulk give him trouble.
 
kswiston said:
I don't know if Doom could beat Dr Manhattan. In the much more grounded Watchmen universe, he's basically the smartest being on the planet with the power of God. Even Ozymandias was seeking approval from him at the close of that book.

Since it's Comics! and all that, anyone could beat anyone, but Dr. Manhattan would be hard to top. Most of Marvel's matter manipulators aren't omniscient or indestructible.
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He's actually not that hard for the marvel mid tier to stop, honestly. He's smart for the watchmen world, but Marvel has stacked it's deck with super geniuses. Marvel Science is thousands of years ahead of where watchmen is- interstellar star ships, dyson spheres, superintelligent A.I., pym particles, cloning, advanced genetic engineering, time travel, dimensional travel..if you can think it, it exists. Marvel earth has a giant "Do not invade this planet" sign on it at the moment, because none of the other advanced races in the universe want to deal with the fallout that comes from messing with it.

As for the matter manipulation- manhattan isn't indestructible, he just wasn't possible for OZYMANDIAS to kill. There were no other superhumans on his level, or with his skillset. Against marvel earth manhattan will be dealing with some fairly nasty individuals who have dealt with energy beings and matter manipulators. What would Manhattan do against Ghost Rider? Immortal, immune to all damage that isn't magical, and armed to the teeth with attacks that burn your soul out every time they connect. Uh...good luck there.

We've also established that manhattan DOES have a mind- and marvel earth is full of telepaths. Manhattan could find himself locked into a neverending psychic nightmare, trapped on the astral plane, or body switched into powerlessness.

We've also established that despite his awareness, manhattan can't time travel- that's a hell of a handicap, given how just about everyone is time traveling all over the place lately. Surfer in particular has been known to simply throw opponents to the end of time and leave them there to rot.

kswiston said:
I'd say Dr. Manhattan is above Silver Surfer. He held himself back, trying to cling to his humanity for most of the Graphic novel, but his powers were constantly increasing and the logical endpoint is that he becomes God. Silver Surfer has a lot of power, but he's still limited. Marvel has had the hulk give him trouble.
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Surfer is way, WAY over manhattan's level and it's not close.
 
kswiston said:
I'd say Dr. Manhattan is above Silver Surfer. He held himself back, trying to cling to his humanity for most of the Graphic novel, but his powers were constantly increasing and the logical endpoint is that he becomes God. Silver Surfer has a lot of power, but he's still limited. Marvel has had the hulk give him trouble.
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Manhattan is no where close to Surfer's level and Hulk has such a gigantic power base that any writer could probably come up with a plausible scenario for Hulk demolishing anyone.

MechDX said:
Manhattan Buster Armor...Tony got this
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The correct answer.
 
Manmademan said:
He's actually not that hard for the marvel mid tier to stop, honestly. He's smart for the watchmen world, but Marvel has stacked it's deck with super geniuses. Marvel Science is thousands of years ahead of where watchmen is- interstellar star ships, dyson spheres, superintelligent A.I., pym particles, cloning, advanced genetic engineering, time travel, dimensional travel..if you can think it, it exists. Marvel earth has a giant "Do not invade this planet" sign on it at the moment, because none of the other advanced races in the universe want to deal with the fallout that comes from messing with it.

As for the matter manipulation- manhattan isn't indestructible, he just wasn't possible for OZYMANDIAS to kill. There were no other superhumans on his level, or with his skillset. Against marvel earth manhattan will be dealing with some fairly nasty individuals who have dealt with energy beings and matter manipulators. What would Manhattan do against Ghost Rider? Immortal, immune to all damage that isn't magical, and armed to the teeth with attacks that burn your soul out every time they connect. Uh...good luck there.

We've also established that manhattan DOES have a mind- and marvel earth is full of telepaths. Manhattan could find himself locked into a neverending psychic nightmare, trapped on the astral plane, or body switched into powerlessness.

We've also established that despite his awareness, manhattan can't time travel- that's a hell of a handicap, given how just about everyone is time traveling all over the place lately. Surfer in particular has been known to simply throw opponents to the end of time and leave them there to rot.



Surfer is way, WAY over manhattan's level and it's not close.
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I suppose so. It's not a great matchup since the Watchmen world had to play by our rules. If Marvel had the rights to Dr. Manhattan and incorporated him into the MU, he'd be a much different (and probably more powerful) character.

MechDX said:
Manhattan Buster Armor...Tony got this
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When Tony breaks out the Buster Armor, you know that he's going to get steamrolled. Character X beating X-buster armor is the way Marvel shows how cool a character is.
 
kswiston said:
I suppose so. It's not a great matchup since the Watchmen world had to play by our rules. If Marvel had the rights to Dr. Manhattan and incorporated him into the MU, he'd be a much different (and probably more powerful) character.
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Like I said, surfer has manhattan's entire skillset and then some, only to a greater degree. He's a tough opponent, but can and has been beaten.
 
If we allow specific equipment and situations, I'm gonna say Peter Quill could do it if he had a Cosmic Cube, a collapsing Universe, and no dinner plans for the next forever.
 
I've always thought about Manhattan as a god, but after seeing some debates like these on another forums I've changed my mind. He is not omnipotent neither omniscient, otherwise he would have known Veidt's plans and the tachyon field would do absolutely nothing on him. The Silver Surfer is a lot more stronger than him.

One topic that explains that kinda well is this one: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/dr-manhattan-versus-thanos-and-darkseid-666376/
 
MikeDip said:
I love all these comic book topics. I rarely read comics but I feel like a damn expert after going through these (In comparison to my prior knowledge. I know I am no expert). Plus it's all very interesting.
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Diito. These threads are always fun to read. I didn't know Doom was so powerful.
 
kswiston said:
Richards has beaten Doom a ton of times in 616 though. Moreso than the other way around. The fact that Doom is obsessed with beating Richards, but Reed doesn't really give a shit about Doom unless he is causing trouble, doesn't really sync up with Doom being superior.
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Doom is of course a villain, and is going to be eating L's more often than richards, who heads the fantastic four. It's important to note that it's usually emphasized that Reed himself can't beat Doom on his own- he can only do it with the support of his family in the fantastic four.

However, recently Doom has overcome greater obstacles than Reed has- Defeating Clyde Wyncham in the "marquis of death" storyline was probably the apex of that, and doom definitively moved past the "defeating richards" stage at the conclusion of it.

That's a VERY odd story though and i'm not certain where it fits within continuity.

edit: it's also important to note that Doom has repeatedly conquered the planet and turned it into a utopian society, or at least massively improved it. The alternate versions of Reed are all considerably less benevolent.
 
kswiston said:
When Tony breaks out the Buster Armor, you know that he's going to get steamrolled. Character X beating X-buster armor is the way Marvel shows how cool a character is.
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Pretty much. Has he beat anyone with their buster armor?
 
Sorian said:
We let people make the whole "lol Batman w/ prep time" jokes for fun. Doom is the real deus ex machina when it comes to "prep time"
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Doom is what Batman COULD be, if he put his wealth and intelligence towards something more practical than punching criminals in the face.

Batman struggles to keep gotham from turning into a hellhole, while Latveria is basically crime free.

Jack Remington said:
Jesus fucking Christ, this thread.

Real talk: the Living Tribunal. Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. And that's about it.
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well at least the people who don't read comics are easy to spot.
 
Lucario said:
doom is the mothafuckin supervillain
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Jack Remington said:
I can't see someone like Thor or Magneto being able to affect Dr. M at all. My reading of Watchmen was always that Dr. M's power was closer to what we'd consider actual god-god than your standard reality warper.
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Going in circles at this point but Dr. M is the baby version of Silver Surfer so thats how you can at least gauge him compared to the marvel universe.
 
Jack Remington said:
I can't see someone like Thor or Magneto being able to affect Dr. M at all. My reading of Watchmen was always that Dr. M's power was closer to what we'd consider actual god-god than your standard reality warper.
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Oh god, don't make me turn this into a Thor thread. Thor would flat out murder manhattan. He's handed surfer massive, embarrassing losses no less than five times.
 
Jack Remington said:
I can't see someone like Thor or Magneto being able to affect Dr. M at all. My reading of Watchmen was always that Dr. M's power was closer to what we'd consider actual god-god than your standard reality warper.
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Is he a reality warper though?
 
Jack Remington said:
I can't see someone like Thor or Magneto being able to affect Dr. M at all. My reading of Watchmen was always that Dr. M's power was closer to what we'd consider actual god-god than your standard reality warper.
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He can only see his own timeline (past, present, future). He couldn't stop all the russian missiles.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Has any foreign power tried invading Latveria?

Key word being "Tried"?
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funny you should ask:

In 2003, Nick Fury, Director of the international security force S.H.I.E.L.D., uncovers a secret plot by Latverian Prime Minister Lucia von Bardas to fund a group of B-List supervillains with advanced technology, presumably that of previous Latverian dictator Doctor Doom (who was trapped in Hell at the time), as a means of wreaking terror on American soil. Fury immediately takes his findings to the President of the United States but is denied the authorization requested to overthrow the post-Doom Latverian government due to its sponsorship by the U.S. Government. Fury is enraged at what he sees as the same pre-9/11 security complacency inviting disaster yet again.

Fury recruits Captain America, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Black Widow, Luke Cage, Wolverine, and superhuman S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Daisy Johnson in a private attempt to covertly overthrow Latveria.

A year later, a mass reprisal is unleashed across New York City, leaving Luke Cage in a coma as Fury and a cadre of NYC heroes face off against a cyborg Von Bardas and her hi-tech army. The reprisal is revealed to be a trap for New York's superheroes when Von Bardas arms a high-tech bomb linked to the technology provided to her supervillain army.

The cyborg Von Bardas is destroyed by Daisy Johnson, the bomb is disarmed, and the supervillain army is defeated and arrested. Captain America immediately demands answers from Nick Fury about what happened. They are soon joined by the X-Men and Wolverine, who attacks Fury until Johnson informs him that the man before him is a Life Model Decoy, and that the real Fury already departed. Through the L.M.D., Fury reveals the invasion of Latveria and the fact that the heroes (with the exceptions of S.H.I.E.L.D. agents Black Widow and Daisy Johnson) were brainwashed afterward. Nick Fury then informs the heroes that this is the last time they will see him and that he hopes those involved in his plot will understand that what he did was necessary.

His replacement as Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Maria Hill, discovers the particulars of the story through her interrogation of Agent Johnson in the present-day framing device of the story.
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That was the plot to "Secret War" back in 2004. It failed MISERABLY, and Doom wasn't even there at the time. They got their asses kicked by Latveria's backup squad.
 
Manhattan is only omnipotent and omnipresent from the perspective of the civilians in his story. Just because Nite Owl says he's a god doesn't mean that Thor wouldn't demolish him.
 
What on Earth would Thor do that would even have a chance at affecting him?

RyosukeTH said:
He can only see his own timeline (past, present, future). He couldn't stop all the russian missiles. He couldn't save his friends from cancer.
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His Vietnam-era feats aren't really relevant. By the time of the "present-day" Watchmen storyline, he's exponentially more developed than that.
 
Sorian said:
I'm up for a Thor history lesson.
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No more Thor threads from me! the last one was enough for a while!

Vizantir said:
I could've sword I saw a scan of MJOLNIR destroying a galaxy.

Unless that was Odin…
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Probably Odin, yeah. Mjolnir can absorb any energy used against it, triple the output, and redirect it though. There's a fun scan somewhere of it absorbing the energy of a galaxy busting bomb, firing it across the universe, and igniting a dead star with it.
 
Jack Remington said:
What on Earth would Thor do that would even have a chance at affecting him?
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Since you asked:

Mjolnir can be used both offensively and defensively.

Described as impacting with sufficient force to "destroy mountains,"[41] with only primary adamantium proving too impervious.[42] Other offensive capabilities include creating vortices and forcefields (capable of containing an explosion that could potentially destroy a galaxy);[43] emitting mystical blasts of energy; controlling electromagnetism; molecular manipulation;[44] and generating the Geo-Blast (an energy wave that taps a planet's gravitational force),[45] Anti-Force (energy created to counter-act another force),[46] the thermo-blast which can even challenge such beings as Ego the living planet,[47] and god Blast (a blast that taps into Thor's life force).[48] The hammer can travel through planets to return to Thor.[49] It can even create antimatter particles[50] and whirling it round can create wind powerful enough to lift the Taj Mahal.[51]

There are also other several rarely used abilities. Mjolnir can track a person[52] and mystical items;[53] absorb energy, such as draining the Asgardian powers of the Wrecking Crew into the Wrecker;[54] or detect illusions, as Thor once commanded the hammer to strike the demonic Mephisto, who was hiding amongst false images of himself.[55] As a former religious relic, Mjolnir is lethal to the undead, causing creatures such as vampires to burst into flame and crumble to dust.[56] Mjolnir also can project images, as Thor shows a glimpse of Asgard to fellow Avenger Iron Man.[57] It is near-indestructible, surviving bullets,[58] Anti-matter,[59] and the Melter's melting beam.[60]

The hammer has two properties relating to movement. When it is deliberately thrown by Thor, it will return to his hand despite any intervening obstacles or distance, even traveling through planets to return to Thor.[49] When it is dropped or set aside, it takes a fixed position, from which it cannot be moved except by a 'worthy' individual.[61]

The hammer has also drained energy from the radioactive supervillain called the Presence, who is forced to surrender before being killed.[62] Mjolnir was able to absorb, contain, and direct the energy of a Null Bomb, which was powerful enough to destroy an entire galaxy.[63] Mjolnir also causes a side effect when used against the hero Union Jack: when Thor erroneously attacks the hero with a blast of lightning and then cancels the offensive, Union Jack is accidentally endowed with the ability to generate electricity.[64] The hammer has been used to both power an Atlantean warship[65] and temporarily drain the forcefield of the villain Juggernaut.[66] If someone swears on the hammer their spirit can be summoned up after death.[67] As well as absorbing radiation, the hammer can repel it back.[68]
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Mjolnir is more versatile than anything not labeled "green lantern ring" and even then it's close.

Easy way to hand manhattan an L is to teleport him into hell, powerdrain him into uselessness, and leave him there.

Thor could also tear his soul out, pummel him with antimatter, or matter manipulate him into an inert state.

Mjolnir is also a magical item and can simply devastate opponents with sheer magical force (the godblast) and who knows what that will do since it's not an attack that obeys any known laws of physics.

On the defensive end, Thor's durability is so damned high no attack manhattan has would scratch him. this is usually why Surfer ends up eating a loss from him, because Thor is a goddamn tank.
 
Calamari41 said:
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Little did he know that Batman originally recruited Wonder Woman to the Justice League to prepare for this very eventuality. Knowing Doom's one weakness (potential waifus), he ensured she'd be there during Doom's attack to distract him long enough to deliver the final blow: a sweet Errol Flynn swinging kick.

Prep time.
 
matrix-cat said:
Little did he know that Batman originally recruited Wonder Woman to the Justice League to prepare for this very eventuality. Knowing Doom's one weakness (potential waifus), he ensured she'd be there during Doom's attack to distract him long enough to deliver the final blow: a sweet Errol Flynn swinging kick.

Prep time.
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Little did Batman know that Doom had prepared for this eventuality and had sent one of his LMDs to start the job that he would now finish.
 
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