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Why are GTA games so hated at GAF?
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davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
the unpredictability and craziness that happens in the GTA universe is my favorite thing about it. No other GTA clone can mimic it.
Deku said:
it's actually a very good engine, if the burnout games are any indication. criterion handle their engine better than any of their licensees do, however. i wonder if ue3 will play out the same way -- i haven't seen any licensed ue3 games that compete with gears or ut2k7.
krypt0nian
Banned
It's mostly the Nintendo-only folks. Mostly.
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
Because it's boring and gives me headaches? That's why I don't like it but I don't hate on it like some do.
drohne said:
It's a good engine compared to what? I guess you can say they could build these games, so we must given them a medal. What would be neat is to see them build an engine from the ground up, specifically for GTA and for their platform of choice and see how awesome it can be.
I have no quarrel with the original GTA3, its actually one of my guilty pleasures, but the sequels are just manufactured with such regularity, recycling the same engine. It's pure greed and Hollywood style assembline game design. If the original engine was a masterwork of programming and simply perfect and suited for the game, I have no problem. It isn't however.
gta uses an engine called renderware. criterion made renderware -- they're english, not chinese, if it matters to you. criterion's own burnout games use renderware as well. the burnout games are stunning -- i don't like either of the last two burnouts, but they stand up visually to anything on current-gen hardware.
drohne said:
isn't mass effect using UE 3.0 that looks and moves even better than the EPIC games implementation
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1-45KOPDLhE&search=mass effect
ZombieSupaStar
Member
Nozi said:
well in terms of world scope I think the gta engine was awesome considering it was running on a ps2 with 200 mhz and what? 40 megs of ram? (cant remember)
my only qualm is the shooting gameplay lags behind and bogs down an otherwise awesome game.
San Andreas added more new features than you see in most installments in new franchises. Up to this point they have kept the series very fresh, but I think if they end up release three console versions in a 16 month span (LCS, VCS, GTA IV) they run the risk of "Tony Hawking" the games among the average gaming public.
The lack of quality GTA rip-offs probably helps keep the franchise popular. Mafia and the original Getaway were good but they're really linear action games set in a city more than sandbox games.
The lack of quality GTA rip-offs probably helps keep the franchise popular. Mafia and the original Getaway were good but they're really linear action games set in a city more than sandbox games.
I don't hate the GTA games, but I overall don't love them. Never finished 3, probably due to getting frustrated with the save system. Same with Vice. San Andreas, however, improved so much that I stuck with it to the end. Amazing game.
One thing to note: Those complaining about the control in these games need to play the PC ports. Even in GTA3, the targetting system is replaced by free mouse-aim. It's such an amazing improvement. These are definitely the best versions of the games.
One thing to note: Those complaining about the control in these games need to play the PC ports. Even in GTA3, the targetting system is replaced by free mouse-aim. It's such an amazing improvement. These are definitely the best versions of the games.
Pedigree Chum
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SolidSnakex said:
Exactly.
For the record I adore GTA, but at the same time I can see some (very few) flaws in the game that make them less than perfect. Still, the series is better than msot games out there.
Because it is the pinnacle of Sony's triumph in the console area.
Because it moved millions and millions of Playstation 2s and 99% of casuals view it as a Sony franchise.
Because it sold 45M units on Playstation 2.
It's the exact same hatred that is fuelled towards Halo, as a pinnacle of Xbox gaming.
You'll of course say GTA is also available on Xbox and PC, but guess what? Halo and Halo 2 are also available on PCs and nobody cares.
GTA = Sony = Playstation 2, haters hate it
Halo = Microsoft = Xbox, haters hate it
Nintendo gets a free pass, GAF doesn't hate any popular Nintendo game (Prime 2 deserves the hate BTW).
Because it moved millions and millions of Playstation 2s and 99% of casuals view it as a Sony franchise.
Because it sold 45M units on Playstation 2.
It's the exact same hatred that is fuelled towards Halo, as a pinnacle of Xbox gaming.
You'll of course say GTA is also available on Xbox and PC, but guess what? Halo and Halo 2 are also available on PCs and nobody cares.
GTA = Sony = Playstation 2, haters hate it
Halo = Microsoft = Xbox, haters hate it
Nintendo gets a free pass, GAF doesn't hate any popular Nintendo game (Prime 2 deserves the hate BTW).
teruterubozu
Member
I thought all games are hated on GAF.
We post - we don't play games!
We post - we don't play games!
The series as it is has just become kinda boring. I've been playing GTA games since the first ones, the top-down view shits. Played the hell out of them. GTA3 is one of my most played PS2 games..Being able to run around a big 3D city raping and pillaging was just the freshest ****ing thing possible at the time. I spent a load of hours just running around amazed, typing in codes and wreaking havoc on the city. That was the best time I've ever had with a GTA game.
it's all gone downhill for me since then.. At this point, I simply don't get ANY enjoyment from just running around blowing stuff up and murdering innocent bystanders. No challenge, no fun. So that leaves me with the actual missions, which don't seem very fun anymore either. Driving from point A to point B and killing/blowing something up isn't doing it for me. I know that's a huge semi-inaccurate simplification of the game. It just gets really boring. After playing San Andreas for 40-some hours I was like "This isn't fun, I don't care about this cheesey gangsta-ass nigga, why am I playing this?" and quit.
The games are quality, they're just old at this point. I can imagine being 14-15 years old and having San Andreas be my first GTA game. It would blow my ****ing mind. But having started from the absolute beginning of the series, enough is enough. There are variables throughout the games, but they DO all start feeling the same.
GTA is a shining example of what "sandbox" gameplay is. Unfortunately there are only so many toys in that sandbox. It's PLAYED.
it's all gone downhill for me since then.. At this point, I simply don't get ANY enjoyment from just running around blowing stuff up and murdering innocent bystanders. No challenge, no fun. So that leaves me with the actual missions, which don't seem very fun anymore either. Driving from point A to point B and killing/blowing something up isn't doing it for me. I know that's a huge semi-inaccurate simplification of the game. It just gets really boring. After playing San Andreas for 40-some hours I was like "This isn't fun, I don't care about this cheesey gangsta-ass nigga, why am I playing this?" and quit.
The games are quality, they're just old at this point. I can imagine being 14-15 years old and having San Andreas be my first GTA game. It would blow my ****ing mind. But having started from the absolute beginning of the series, enough is enough. There are variables throughout the games, but they DO all start feeling the same.
GTA is a shining example of what "sandbox" gameplay is. Unfortunately there are only so many toys in that sandbox. It's PLAYED.
TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
I love GTA; followed the series from its humble beginnings on the PC (GTA2 FOREVER YO).
It really needs online multiplayer in the next iteration though. That would be fantastic.
It really needs online multiplayer in the next iteration though. That would be fantastic.
CajoleJuice
Member
Loved GTA3, also loved Vice City, but thought the city wasn't quite as good. Haven't played San Andreas. It's out on PC right?
How is it hated? Even on GAF, "where the hardcore go", it's adored by most.
I personally dislike it a lot. Borderline hate, almost, mainly because it's created a vision of what a "good game" should be.
I see the draw, stupid mindless fun, pick up and play, but to me it doesn't do it. Horrible "actual" gameplay, and nothing else that screams spectacular. Every single element of it is "less than".
I do however admire and respect GTA3, as it did push gaming forward to a certain degree, but again this came with a stigma that THIS is what great games are, which is sad. Beyond that, barely changing the gameplay (OMG IN THIS ONE HE TALKS, OMG NOW YOU CAN TAKE BIKES AND GET FAT) and pumping out more is a copout. Do something new and refreshing again.
But, top selling games have proven, being fresh doesn't matter. Be it Madden, or GTA, people will eat up the same s hit time and time again.
Whatever, if people enjoy it, so be it. Have a blast, I only get upset when people hold it to some standard that it doesn't belong. Best game _____ is one, it's not the best anything. Never a GOTY, not one of the best titles around, it's stupid fun with some crafty radio writing, take it for what it is.
/end slight vent
I personally dislike it a lot. Borderline hate, almost, mainly because it's created a vision of what a "good game" should be.
I see the draw, stupid mindless fun, pick up and play, but to me it doesn't do it. Horrible "actual" gameplay, and nothing else that screams spectacular. Every single element of it is "less than".
I do however admire and respect GTA3, as it did push gaming forward to a certain degree, but again this came with a stigma that THIS is what great games are, which is sad. Beyond that, barely changing the gameplay (OMG IN THIS ONE HE TALKS, OMG NOW YOU CAN TAKE BIKES AND GET FAT) and pumping out more is a copout. Do something new and refreshing again.
But, top selling games have proven, being fresh doesn't matter. Be it Madden, or GTA, people will eat up the same s hit time and time again.
Whatever, if people enjoy it, so be it. Have a blast, I only get upset when people hold it to some standard that it doesn't belong. Best game _____ is one, it's not the best anything. Never a GOTY, not one of the best titles around, it's stupid fun with some crafty radio writing, take it for what it is.
/end slight vent
I'm a GTA hater, but I don't hate it with a passion. I understand why it's popular, and I put many hours into this series mainly for research.
However, I find that the GTA series from III through SA (didn't play I or II) lacked a level of refinement that leaves them feeling undercooked. SA was the closest the series got, but like some others said, the material just didn't appeal to me. GTA3 and VC were more my speed (mafia and '80s retro), but I found the controls to suck so bad and the animations to be so poor that it was hard to enjoy myself.
I give it props for being something completely different to everyone who plays it. Some just do the basics, some go for 100%, some just play the minigames, some just listen to the radio at work. That's true for many games, but not with the same scope as GTA. There's a lot of variety there for many different players.
I also loved the radio bits, the commercials made me laugh out loud, and the soundtrack/voice cast has been great, but the core of the game just falls short for me. GTA, to me, is the perfect example of a series that strives to be everything, but does more things average/subpar than it does superbly. Jack of all trades, master of none... but I certainly give the team an A for effort.
However, I find that the GTA series from III through SA (didn't play I or II) lacked a level of refinement that leaves them feeling undercooked. SA was the closest the series got, but like some others said, the material just didn't appeal to me. GTA3 and VC were more my speed (mafia and '80s retro), but I found the controls to suck so bad and the animations to be so poor that it was hard to enjoy myself.
I give it props for being something completely different to everyone who plays it. Some just do the basics, some go for 100%, some just play the minigames, some just listen to the radio at work. That's true for many games, but not with the same scope as GTA. There's a lot of variety there for many different players.
I also loved the radio bits, the commercials made me laugh out loud, and the soundtrack/voice cast has been great, but the core of the game just falls short for me. GTA, to me, is the perfect example of a series that strives to be everything, but does more things average/subpar than it does superbly. Jack of all trades, master of none... but I certainly give the team an A for effort.
They need to change 1 thing to make me enjoy GTA:
When you fail a mission, give the option to START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MISSION AGAIN!!!!!
God it was so annoying in SA to have some mission where you literally drive across then entire game world, **** up at the end, then have to drive allllll the way back to start it again.
Mercs lets you do this, reportedly Saints Row will let you do this, GTA4 better ****ing let you do this.
When you fail a mission, give the option to START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MISSION AGAIN!!!!!
God it was so annoying in SA to have some mission where you literally drive across then entire game world, **** up at the end, then have to drive allllll the way back to start it again.
Mercs lets you do this, reportedly Saints Row will let you do this, GTA4 better ****ing let you do this.
They are popular. That is it. We have a lot of Emo kids here who hate all things popular. So they all dye their hair black, listen to Fall out Boy, and hate on everything that is succesful. It makes them "original" litttle butterflies that hate on the mainstream. They all get matching tatoos, piercings, hate their parents, and talk about what conformists all of the GTA fans are. They also hate the Beatles, because they are a boyband. They wear Sex Pistol, Nirvana, and Clash tee shirts. They have never listened to these bands mind you, but Simple Plan rocks, and Green Day invented punk right?
Honestly, the GTA series is great, but they do have some "wonky" Ps1 controls. It is the only game I can think of, that is a blast to play, despite some very primitive game design choices. It does remind me a lot of playing Out of This World at times. Still a blast though, and hopefully they can make the controls as next gen as the rest of the game.
Honestly, the GTA series is great, but they do have some "wonky" Ps1 controls. It is the only game I can think of, that is a blast to play, despite some very primitive game design choices. It does remind me a lot of playing Out of This World at times. Still a blast though, and hopefully they can make the controls as next gen as the rest of the game.
Red Scarlet
Member
I didn't think they were very hated around here, they seem to have a lot of fans and praise in these parts. Never played one myself except for the first one on a computer for about 10 minutes or so. Don't think they interest me.
actually i didn't like it before, but i just beated San Andrea, i found it is actually pretty fun (especially after you learnt how to fly a plane)
+ my favorite part of the game was running around taking pictures with a camera, its fun to just run around and try to climb as high as possible to take a nice picture, i actually spent about 5+ hours just to do that :lol
i hope for the new GTA on PS3/Xbox360 will feature video camera for you to take some video in the game (since they both have harddrive built in the console)
+ my favorite part of the game was running around taking pictures with a camera, its fun to just run around and try to climb as high as possible to take a nice picture, i actually spent about 5+ hours just to do that :lol
i hope for the new GTA on PS3/Xbox360 will feature video camera for you to take some video in the game (since they both have harddrive built in the console)