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Why are GTA games so hated at GAF?
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Schnicktick
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NeonZ said:
Got your point.
It's just that Mario somehow annoys me because he's everywhere...Even though most of Mario's games are quite funny.
GTA is a good game, but it barely gets any play time from me. I think it's because, while it does a lot of things really well, it seldom does anything great.
The world is big, but filled with a lot of miscellany that could have been cut out to make for a more enjoyable game. The controls are functional, but clunky in certain situations (and this is made even more apparent if you're playing the Xbox version, which makes flying a plane nearly impossible). The cars are fun to drive/crash, but a bitch to drive precisely, and since each game has a "Drive from point A to point B without hitting anything" mission, it's a bit annoying. The sandbox play is fun, but, as others can attest to, is only fun for an hour, tops. There are a million things to do, but many of them feel underdeveloped and thus lame.
The writing is good, the voice acting superb, the humor good for the most part (though sometimes a bit immature), and the immersion fairly consistent, but the gameplay itself is lacking. I play Gran Turismo to drive, any number of PC games to shoot, Oblivion for big detailed worlds and sandbox gameplay, so returning to GTA to play a game that drives, shoots, and interacts merely average compared to everything else I play doesn't seem worth it.
The world is big, but filled with a lot of miscellany that could have been cut out to make for a more enjoyable game. The controls are functional, but clunky in certain situations (and this is made even more apparent if you're playing the Xbox version, which makes flying a plane nearly impossible). The cars are fun to drive/crash, but a bitch to drive precisely, and since each game has a "Drive from point A to point B without hitting anything" mission, it's a bit annoying. The sandbox play is fun, but, as others can attest to, is only fun for an hour, tops. There are a million things to do, but many of them feel underdeveloped and thus lame.
The writing is good, the voice acting superb, the humor good for the most part (though sometimes a bit immature), and the immersion fairly consistent, but the gameplay itself is lacking. I play Gran Turismo to drive, any number of PC games to shoot, Oblivion for big detailed worlds and sandbox gameplay, so returning to GTA to play a game that drives, shoots, and interacts merely average compared to everything else I play doesn't seem worth it.
elitehebrew
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I always found them as pretty lame. I mean i don't care about any of the topics in which parents are against it, but it is just really boring.
GitarooMan said:
I´m just replying to his comment man. However, I´ve been playing videogames since my parents bough a TV that had pong incorporated. Then came Atari 2600 and I´ve been playing up until now. So what? I know about videogames, I´ve played lots of videogames, and GTA series is crap. They are ambitious, sure, but five years from now, you won´t be able to swallow a whole minute of that shit, time is such a bastard.
There isn´t anything in that series that works fine. You´ve got a bazillion of different things to do, but not one of them is done right, so what matters the scope is awesome when everything is executed poorly? I understand the hardware is limiting the game, but that doesn´t mean anything to me. That´s why games like Shadow of the Colossus have been made this generation and not the last one, because it wasn´t a viable game back then, and it is now. If the hardware isn´t good enough for such ambitious concept, then that´s not my problem.
Just take the Sahara desert, it´s big, too big, and there all types of things to find there, but is fun being under the sun and burning alive? no, it´s not fun at all, but know what? the scope of that place is incredible. Now, what´s important in a game, the scope of what you actually play? What´s important, what you can do, or how fun is doing that? You can shoot, drive, walk around, hit people, interact, swim and a lot more things, but are they done right? Are any of them fun? No, they are not because the game is infested with problems, from technical problems, to control, to design, to hardware limitations, so, no sir, the game is too flawed. Give me this concept with a hardware capable of handling it, and I´ll be there, give me this series on the hardware it´s running now, and I´ll label it as crap.
Truly an expert.
The car control and damage was perfect to me. Assuming you're playing the PC version, the on-foot combat works. And, hey, believe it or not, a game can be greater than the sum of its parts. Often, even. San Andreas a pretty good game for me.
I cannot fathom how you claim that many of GTA's problems are due to hardware limitations while saying that Shadow of the Colossus was just fine for this generation.
Now, my sarcasm detector is broken...Tain said:
How is the car control any good? It´s feels like controlling a cardbox full of stones, not a car. It doesn´t feel right at all. The physics are a joke, and cars are too incontrolable for being an arcade. The game even hasn´t a speed metter, and you say it´s perfect. Damage is not bad, but since driving is crap, I don´t really car about the damage (which isn´t very good either). The on-foot combat works, just like it worked back in the days of Double Dragon. And yeah, a game can be better than the sum of its parts, but that´s not when all its parts are awfull.
Because the only problem with SotC is the framerate. It was just an example, maybe not the best.
Problem is your standards are set too low.Pimpbaa said:
Really, playing GTA is like a throw-back. It feels like Rockstar got all the advancements in a lot of different genres, and threw them out. Sorry, but i´m used to quality gunfights, to quality driving, to quality beat em ups, quality adventures, and going back to the arcaic gameply that GTA offers is like revisiting 1995. It´s 2006 already, where are the advancements?
tsp_gatmog
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GTA 3 was fun. Beat it. Did all the shit I could after it, for months.
Then it just stopped being fun. Vice City wasn't nearly as enjoyable, but San Andreas was awesome. I stopped playing that when i got to the last city, but that's still well over 40 hours of gameplay.
Then it just stopped being fun. Vice City wasn't nearly as enjoyable, but San Andreas was awesome. I stopped playing that when i got to the last city, but that's still well over 40 hours of gameplay.
i wish they mixed and matched features. Add in all the new awesome features San Andreas had and polish it up for next-gen. Add in the scope of San Andreas, but the style of Vice City, the hilly more entertaining deep city layout of GTAIII, and the 80s soundtrack from Vice City.
I'd be in loooove.
I'd be in loooove.
goldenpp72
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I find the series a bit tiring, i've only finished gta3 and I got part way through VC, didn't bother with SA.
I do respect and consider it a good series, it's just not the type of game I like more then once or twice a generation.
I do respect and consider it a good series, it's just not the type of game I like more then once or twice a generation.
GTA3 felt like a simple arcade racing game with whacky yet consistent physics. That's absolutely what I wanted. A speedometer wouldn't benefit me at all, and I never felt like I was struggling with the cars.
Oh, I wasn't talking about the melee, but it's such a small part of the game that I can't really care. Replace the game's horrible targetting with mouselook, and the gunfights are pretty enjoyable.
Rhazer Fusion
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The only things I don't like about the GTA series is the fact that they are so long and the missions imo can be very tedious.
Nozi said:
Are you kidding? The GTA series is loaded with glitches,pop up,slowdown,and poor texturing. I can name a ton of games that have aged alot better.
Take a number of games from this gen.,even launch games that have aged better.
Halo
Time Splitters
Rogue Squadron 2
Just as examples.
Pimpbaa
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gutter_trash
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GTA is a type of game that after 5 minutes of starring at ugly graphics then forgetting about it because you are havinf too much fun being at peace causing mahyem
GTA games,, great fun and hilarity with ugly graphics,, but you have so much fun, you forget it's ugly
it's just like a fat chick who knows how too (fill in the blank) really well
GTA games,, great fun and hilarity with ugly graphics,, but you have so much fun, you forget it's ugly
it's just like a fat chick who knows how too (fill in the blank) really well
The Shadow
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Himuro said:
Three things to put it all together.
1. GAF is filled with Japanophiles. Some are pretty open about it, most have some kind of denial about it. In any case, GAF is Japanophilia heaven.
2. GTA is incredibly popular and sells incredibly well. Edit: Also well rated according to the game media.
3. GTA is a western developed title.
I would also add that Rockstar did the whole "sandbox gameplay" far better than Miyamoto ever dreamed of doing which also adds to the hate.
That's a pretty broad brush you've got there, Shadow. I've got a huge hardon for western games (Blizzard, Bioware, and Bethesda come to mind, and that's just the ones that start with B), but none of the 3D GTA games do anything special for me. There's an illusion of freedom, when in fact it only boils down to "Kill everyone, or don't." Compare this freedom with Fallout and it's really pathetic.
The Shadow
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MGrant said:
Blizzard, Bioware, and Bethesda release action/adventure games like GTA? Hmmm....
If you have a hard on for those particular western companies, I'm thinking GTA isn't the type of game you'd like anyway.
And no, it's not a broad brush. Aside from a few exceptions, GAF is filled with Japanophiles and they will hate popular and well received games like GTA.
Oh no, I do enjoy my action/adventure games. Even western ones; in fact mostly western ones. But GTA doesn't just try to be an action/adventure game. It throws in some planes, cars, music games... all in an effort to try and become some sort of allpurpose everygame, but it fails to create a great experience in any of the genres which it tries to recreate. And a lot of the "freedom" it offers, as I had stated, is shallow, which is bad, since this freedom is that for which this series is most praised.
The atmosphere in GTA games is something they nailed, I must admit. If the gameplay mechanics could speed up, tighten down, and feel more natural, I wouldn't ever want to leave the GTA world.
The atmosphere in GTA games is something they nailed, I must admit. If the gameplay mechanics could speed up, tighten down, and feel more natural, I wouldn't ever want to leave the GTA world.
I love GTA. Probably only complaint I can give it is that it should be more serious, like in the "The Godfather" aspect. But that's usually at certain points of any GTA game for me. Other than that, I love it. Once I fully beat Vice Vity I'm going to buy San Andreas and eat that one up all over again.
AlanHemberger
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Same here. I was so excited for SA and preordered it and all. When I got home with it and actually played it I was sorely disappointed. The radio stations sucked, the missions sucked, the whole "state" thing sucked and the story sucked. **** you SACompton's Most Wanted said:
AlanHemberger
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**** you Himuro! I listened to the classic rock station! I guess I'm a dirty racist ****.Himuro said:
This generation my faves are Ikaruga, Smash Bros and Resident Evil 4. All of them having an astonishing level of polish.Himuro said:
A speedometter would help too much to know when you´re breaking the law for speeding. And this tells which kind of freedom the game offers. BTW, it´s clear that what it´s perfect for you, isn´t for me. Maybe you never felt like that because you never tried to drive following driving patterns.Tain said:
You tell yourself, the melee was mediocre and the gunfights terrible. And problem is that´s the standard for the whole game.
Oh, yeah, because gamerankings tell us what is good and what´s not. Now, do you know Nintendogs got a 40 from Famitsu? Go and buy it!Pimpbaa said:
This arguments are retarded.The Shadow said:
GoutPatrol
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Himuro said:
I wouldn't be calling Master Sounds a jazz station...
Like I said two pages ago, I liked the two original (2D) gta's, and GTAIII (amazing for its time) & vice city (I just really liked the 80's setting).
But I can understand why others don't like it, and those who say the game is broken on different levels (controls, shooting, melee) do have a point.
GTA:SA is where they went in a wrong direction for me, by adding too little and taking out some of the fun. While it was fun to just "drive around" and kill some cops/pedestrians/helicopters in GTA III, I have the feeling i've done all these things before so I kinda "have" to play the missions - and the missions (or the early ones, like I said I only played it a few hours) were too tedious and boring. The most fun I had was using the cheats to try all the vehicles and going on a rampage for about an hour.
I hope they can polish the hell out of GTA 4 and offer some new and interesting things to do. And gta WOULD be a better game if the various little things that the complainers mention were fixed, because the driving controls aren't all that much fun, and shooting is often frustrating - even on the superior PC version (I'm sure I would hate the console version, but I don't like 3D first person games on a console)
But I can understand why others don't like it, and those who say the game is broken on different levels (controls, shooting, melee) do have a point.
GTA:SA is where they went in a wrong direction for me, by adding too little and taking out some of the fun. While it was fun to just "drive around" and kill some cops/pedestrians/helicopters in GTA III, I have the feeling i've done all these things before so I kinda "have" to play the missions - and the missions (or the early ones, like I said I only played it a few hours) were too tedious and boring. The most fun I had was using the cheats to try all the vehicles and going on a rampage for about an hour.
I hope they can polish the hell out of GTA 4 and offer some new and interesting things to do. And gta WOULD be a better game if the various little things that the complainers mention were fixed, because the driving controls aren't all that much fun, and shooting is often frustrating - even on the superior PC version (I'm sure I would hate the console version, but I don't like 3D first person games on a console)
Hahaha, how old are you? 16? You don´t accept someone else´s opinion so you go and insult him? great. Talking about jaded people...Pimpbaa said:
I´m Spanish, follow your logic and tell me what gamerankings should represent to me. Anyway, you can twist things as much as you like, but in the end the truth is the same: II have my opinion and don´t give a **** about what a bunch of journos say, I won´t change it because gamerankings.Mooreberg said:
Good, now tell me what´s wrong with the games I named.Himuro said:
I never praised GTA for the freedom, actually, so that's out the window. In fact, I'm not even trying to claim that GTA has more freedom of play than most. It's pretty clear, from the control and game design, that you are playing the role of a criminal. So, I didn't try to drive like a law-abiding citizen. I don't purchase my cars and make smalltalk with people on the street, so it's only logical that I don't try to follow traffic laws. And thus, I don't need a speedometer. Even looking at the context of the game, the police aren't alarmed by speeding, so it's even less of an issue. And given what I do in the game, I'm glad that my star ranking doesn't increase for speeding.
Actually, I just said that the gunfights are enjoyable. I didn't play the Xbox or PS2 versions of these games because of the terrible targetting present in them, but the PC versions improve the game drastically by replacing the targetting with mouselook, which essentially makes the game like a third person shooter.
As for the melee, well, as I just said, I'm essentially playing an FPS/Third-person shooter. In San Andreas, I can defend, I have some basic move choices, and I have melee options. Frankly, that's above mediocre in terms of an FPS. If my standards are too low for not demanding Virtua Fighter 4 as a gameplay subsystem, then I'm perfectly fine with low standards.
I see what you're getting at, in that you'd rather play a focused, narrow game than something like GTA. On one hand, it makes sense, but even something like RE4 can be seen as garbage when you break it down like you do GTA. RE4 has extremely basic gunfights, extremely basic melee, dull QTEs, and horribly simple puzzles. But, hey, I loved it when it all came together.
mckmas8808
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fresquito said:
I'm willing to follow 40+ publication's ratings averaged together on gamerankings than just you (an everyday forum poster).
Tain said:
I dont´think QTE are dull, in fact the battle with Krauser is memorable. So is the QTE after the first monster (the one found in the lake). And gun fights my be basic, but at least youi can aim, get different reactions from different locations and weapons and feel like you are controlling what you do. Mercenaries is a good proff of the wonders of the gunfight system. As for melee, I´d say it doesn´t exist at all, it´s just a resource in case you´re left our of ammo.
Anyway, main difference here is that RE4 breathes polish, not only graphically.
But this is not a topic about what one should follow, but someone asking why we don´t like GTA. See the difference? I´m not telling you what you should do, but telling why I don´t like the series.mckmas8808 said:
The Shadow
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fresquito said:
fresquito said:
Hypocrite.
I didn´t say you´re stupid or retarded. It´s quite different. The argument you told is retarded, and even the most clever person can say retarded things from time to time. But I guess you´re willing to feel hatred with those that don´t agree with you, and that´s fine with meThe Shadow said:
Battersea Power Station
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only 1 of those games is exclusive to a Nintendo platform and it wasn't even developed by EAD ):Himuro said: