BruceLeeRoy
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If I showed you Halo 4 running at 1080p and 30fps and then at 720p 60fps I guarantee you would feel very very differently.
The resolution makes a enormous difference.
The resolution makes a enormous difference.
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Why are people OK with 1080p/30fps, but not 720p/60fps?
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2001 graphics at 1080p, mind you.
Bullshit.
Asphalt 8 at 1080p looks better than a shitload of 360 and ps3 games.
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nkarafo
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60fps over 30fps offers a much bigger difference in how the game feels and plays than 1080p over 720p.
So 60fps over 1080p any day for me.
fixed.
So 60fps over 1080p any day for me.
fixed.
thewhitehawk
Member
Because most of them haven't played Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time.
Baleoce
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Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
I'm definitely for FPS over resolution.
Pretty much every remotely action-based game looks better at 60 FPS, in my opinion. Not to mention that fighting games pretty much require it.
Pretty much every remotely action-based game looks better at 60 FPS, in my opinion. Not to mention that fighting games pretty much require it.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Do you play Halo? Have you ever gone from playing COD to playing Halo? Makes no impact whatsoever. I need to do a focus group one of these days just to prove how few people even notice it.
Fighting games are the only games that I believe need to be 60fps.
Cave Johnson
Member
Better received than DmC considering the Rising was merely the "pickup" project for PG.
pretty much.
But are we talking about PC gaming?? OP, is this a console discussion?
ShinobiFist
Banned
You won't say such things if Uncharted was in 60fps....
It's not 2004 anymore, 720p is just rubbish. 30 fps is fine for slow paced games, and fast paced ones could just make cuts in places other than resolution to achieve 60 fps. What's the point of having detailed textures and lots of particles and stuff if everything is smeared in vaseline in the upscaling process?
or maybe it's not some kind of catch all. Maybe, just maybe certain games benefit more from one over the other.
Cave Johnson
Member
Wow, how condecending. You do realize that 30fps is already the breaking point of control latency and even the best of the best developers this gen couldn't maintain that frame-rate. Some the best games played this gen are 60fps believe it or not. If I want next-gen "experiences" as so many claim, I expect them to consider the controller in front of them and not the distracting visuals you see on screen.
The vast majority of this gen's titles were 720p so I'd say that yeah the PS360 could handle 720p just fine.
If all games could've been at 60fps it would've been nice but sure some genres benefit more than others - turn based JRPG's, adventure, Heavy Rain/Beyond like games and slow paced games in general are just fine with for example a steady 30fps w/ some good quality object motion blur plus more taxing genres like open world/sandbox can get away with a smooth 30fps as well.
It's genres like racing, platformers, action & shooters that really need the 60hz the most and so far I'm very happy to see that devs/publishers on the PS4/Xbone agree with this.
In a way, we PC gamers are to blame for that.
We spent so much time trying to tell the console gamers that "Yes, there is a noticeable difference between 30 and 60fps! 60 is always better than 30! 30fps is unplayable.".
We've created monsters that now refuse to accept their underpowered consoles, because we showed them that the grass is greener.
The_Player
Member
For crying out loud, if you people are so obsessed with getting your 60 fps @ 1080p then buy a goddamn gaming computer. You flat out are not spending the money necessary to get the power that is required to do this and still have your super realistic modern games with all the pretty effects when you purchase one of these consoles. Be happy with your 720p @ 60 fps, it's already a vast improvement over current consoles, that are up-sampled to 720p to play at 30fps. These posts are tedious to read for a year already.
velociraptor
Junior Member
720p is an abomination. No thanks.
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again, this isn't a catch-all. There are certain games that would benefit more from the increase in resolution than the increase in frame rate. And vice versa
Betta Lines
Member
That was 60.
It doesn't take a PC gamer to realize the tremendous difference between 30 and 60fps, though. I, for one, am not (only game on consoles), and framerate will always be the priority to me over nicer graphics or resolution.
720p with a good amount of AA look pretty good on my living room plasma. I realized that after trying to play a heavily modded version of Morrowind and not being able to run it at a rock solid 1080p@60. So instead of lowering graphics settings or uninstalling mods, I settled with 720p@60 and was quite surprised how well it held up. I had the same experience with Metro 2033.
Playing on my desktop lcd monitor is a completely different story, tho. The native monitor resolution (or a 1:1 pixel mapped resolution) is the only viable option here.
Playing on my desktop lcd monitor is a completely different story, tho. The native monitor resolution (or a 1:1 pixel mapped resolution) is the only viable option here.
Monty Mole
Member
I don't think every game needs to be 60fps. Turn-based RPGs, or non-action cinematic games like Heavy Rain etc, they work extremely well at 30fps.
But for action games, racing, sports, platformers, FPS, etc, 60fps improves the experience immensely. It just makes everything feel so much smoother and the gameplay tighter. Developers realised this as early as the 80s.
Also, can you imagine if Daytona had been 30fps!? One of the big reasons why it turned heads in the arcades back in the day wasn't just that it was a proper 3D racing game, but it was that silky smooth 60fps refresh.
Sadly LCD/LED TVs do such a poor job with 60fps that I'm not surprised that so many don't see the true benefit. 60fps on CRT/plasma is still quite something.
Not to me. 60fps make any and all games look and feel better, more so than resolution. Sure, some genres benefit even more from framerate, to the point where some claim that 60fps are a necessity for them (fighting games, racing games, shooters). But it always matters, regardless of the genre. Even for RPGs and/or turn based games. It just makes everything feel better.
Dynamic resolution a la Rage, Wipeout HD and Syndicate would also be a good technique to have the best possible IQ and keep the frame-rate stable...the only bad thing is that it's not a popular solution right now.
Vicetrailia
Banned
Racing and sport games need to be 60fps.
Definitely. There's a reason why all good fighting games, platformers and beat'em all are running at 60 fps even though those are traditionally console genres.
silver.tongue
Member
Both are fine by me.
If I wanted 1080p60fps in every game, I would buy a PC.
If I wanted 1080p60fps in every game, I would buy a PC.
Sentenza
Member
Bingo.
On the other hand, I would also be fine with giving up a certain amount of detail, if necessary, to achieve both.
People that just want everything need to make a reality check as far as they intend to keep playing on consoles.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
Yeah, seriously. I'm fine with whatever. These things have no value to me. I just want good games.
Exactly, I would much rather see developers try to get the proper resolution and frame rate that best fits the kind of game they are making than try to adhere to any sort of standard, because these are gaming consoles and you can't just have everything you want.
Ya, it would be great if every game would be 1080/60, but certain games would certainly benefit in a larger bump in one aspect over another.
Cizeta-Moroder
Banned
It wasn't an abomination in 2005. 1080p will be an abomination too, one day. 30fps on the other hand, is a timeless abomination.
Not every genre benefits from 60FPS, and I'd only have an issue with games dropping below 30FPS.
Other than that I don't care about framerate.
Resolution... it would be nice to have a resolution jump from last gen, like the gens proceeding but like framerate whether it be 1080p or 720p it's not a deal breaker as to wether I'd buy a game.
Other than that I don't care about framerate.
Resolution... it would be nice to have a resolution jump from last gen, like the gens proceeding but like framerate whether it be 1080p or 720p it's not a deal breaker as to wether I'd buy a game.
R3TRO
Member
Yup.
Canis lupus
Member
Most games were 720p or more or less 720p, honestly I wouldn't mind if some nextgen games missed a few lines from 1080p for better framerate but I don't think a smooth framerate would lower the resolution of games all the way down to 720p. 900p at the minimum.
I completely disagree. There are games that are text heavy or are mostly static images that have nearly zero significant animation in them that benefit more from clarity then 60 frames per second. Think of old school point and click adventure games that are 2 d hand drawn. what benefit would you get from 60 frames per second over resolution when the animations drawn for the character don't even exceed 24 frames per second?
velociraptor
Junior Member
No it won't.
720p never looked picture perfect. On the other hand, 1080p does.
If 30FPS is a timeless abomination then I would like to know how you survived this generation. Almost all games were 'targeted' to run at that framerate.
60FPS would be nice but if we're going to get a blurry mess as a result.
I think Wipeout HD had an excellent solution. 1920x1080 with a dynamic framebuffer (drops to 1280x1080 to maintain 60FPS). Gran Turismo 5 Prologue is another solution. 1280x1080, 2xMSAA, 60FPS. Prologue had excellent IQ, although this took a severe hit when QAA was implemented in the final product (GT5).
720p is unacceptable.