Well he's called Blackbeard, it'd have been a damn shame if there wasn't a pirate something for an operator named Blackbeard
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Why aren't more people complaining about the direction R6 Siege is going?
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Immersion isn't about thinking the game is real. It's about having nothing that takes you out of the experience - jarring things that don't make sense in context the game presents. If they replaced the hostage in a Rainbow Six Siege match with a giant banana it would be 'immersion breaking'. Not that you suddenly realize the game isn't real, but that the element doesn't fit into the context of the set-up for the game.
Chris_Rivera
Member
I disagree. Raging over something like this...perhaps take some time from gaming and clear your head. When the little things are making you angry, it's usually a sign of some deeper issue. Just speaking from personal experience.
I don't think OP is punching walls over this, so I doubt you need to worry.
Immersion in tactical shooter, where you spend a majority of the time playing hide and seek and not actually looking at an enemy, comes from the moment to moment gameplay and match siuation. Siege is a game where by the time you actually get to see an enemy's face the encounter ends with either you or the enemy dying within seconds.
If your immersion breaks and you get distracted easily due to simple aesthetic changes in a game with already tongue in cheek style then you weren't paying attention to the things you were suppose to in the first place. It'd actually be immersion breaking if there were major changes like operators shooting lasers or flowers, operators and hostage wearing panda suits etc.
terencecah
Member
I hate these click bait, overly negative topic titles
There's nothing wrong with the comestics in siege and plenty of other games if it allows devs to support the game for free
There's nothing wrong with the comestics in siege and plenty of other games if it allows devs to support the game for free
Chris_Rivera
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The context I had in mind was more along the lines of inciting more negativity in an already heavily negative community. Maybe, I just have an unpopular pproach.
Always-honest
Banned
There needs to be waaaaay more of that stuff for T-Hunt.
joecanada
Member
Well I was a big fan of what they did but the intolerable servers and performance ruined it long before garish costumes. There are fnally now fps on consoles with decent servers so unfortunately that's it for r6 it's supposed to be tactical but that all goes right out the window with poor online performance.
Plus saying everything else was free is pretty disingenuous unless you consider grinding for hundreds of hours free. Hell lots of games do that I don't consider it pro consumer. I played 100 hours or so and couldn't buy all operators and skins.
Plus saying everything else was free is pretty disingenuous unless you consider grinding for hundreds of hours free. Hell lots of games do that I don't consider it pro consumer. I played 100 hours or so and couldn't buy all operators and skins.
Anton Sugar
Member
True but he *did* say it was infuriating and he stopped supporting the game due to it.
Yes, because only those silly misguided teens like to customize their characters smh.
It's not a big deal. Pay 2 Win is a real issue, colorful masks are not. Who cares?
What prompts shitposts like these? GAF is rotten with them. Are people really assuming the OP is inconsolable and tearing their home to pieces through tears because of cosmetics in R6? So many posts now are amateur psychologists trying to deconstruct someone's language in a comically overdone way. "Oh, I see you don't like the Effects and Cause level in Titanfall 2. Perhaps it speaks to your fears of aging and the loss of social connections as you get older."
Should OP have phrased their argument as "given the dire international sociopolitical developments of this recent year, I reserve an appropriately minute level of concern for cosmetics which conflict with the general art design in this relatively recent video game. In this topic, I propose we discuss the balancing of increasingly artistically-diverse microtransactions and adherence to a general design principle in game design." Would this lead to less OP why so whiny/OP why you so mad posts?
Interficium
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OP said he was "infuriated" in the fucking OP, professor.
Actually it mostly would. Tone matters.
When I was younger I experimented in making two threads on the same topic but one designed as a shitpost and the other more civil. The end goal was to figure out how to make a quality post like the rare poster would make that would lead to enduring and healthy discussions.
The civil threads got far less posts and more neutral responses. The shitposts always grew more than the alternative and the responses were far more reactionary. It's really really hard to make a post without invectives that inspires people to talk about the topic passionately.
Always-honest
Banned
And that was worth a laugh. It's not enough to be called a first world problem and still people manage to make a problem out of it and be upset about it. Is op the millennial poster child?
TriniTrin
war of titties grampa
Uh. Who gives a shit? It doesn't effect gameplay and there is a cost only if you want to something cosmetic for your operators.
Did you pay for new maps last season? No? Oh ok.
How bout new operators? Oh those were free too?
Yeah this direction rainbowsix took really sucked !
Also, people saying this ruins immersion, I think that's funny to say when people in game shoot each other or shoot a dick and balls into the wall! LOL
Did you pay for new maps last season? No? Oh ok.
How bout new operators? Oh those were free too?
Yeah this direction rainbowsix took really sucked !
Also, people saying this ruins immersion, I think that's funny to say when people in game shoot each other or shoot a dick and balls into the wall! LOL
Interficium
Banned
Like the fourth post of this thread:
It's time to put "cash grab" in the dust bin of retired Gaf catchphrases along with "unplayable" tbh.
CosmicQueso
Member
Siege has what is just about the most consumer friendly games as a service model going right now. Fortunately, their being so successful with it gives the rest of the industry a good benchmark to follow.
KillerDark
Member
Its all cosmetic so I don't care at all. The gameplay has not changed due to this, it is still a fantastic game.
The Last Wizard
Member
Cause people to busy slobbing them off for the free dlc.
salty_Josh
Member
No... You're looking out for a helmet...
If by realistic you mean boring colour swaps of the same headgear that had been around for nearly a year before the headgear was introduced, then you're missing out on a lot of them. These are a few random operators' headgear variations and you can see the balance between "realistic" and "pink helmets" is almost equal. You're speaking as though you don't have any choice but to wear "pink helmets", but that clearly isn't the case.
Edit:
I think I need a break from neogaf. I'm not talking about these two posts in particular, but people spewing nonsense like it's the truth is the exact reason I avoid reddit, and that culture is reaching here.
The Dear Leader
Banned
They push out free update after free update with new characters and new maps, that stuff ain't free and if seeing a few Juggalo masks on Smoke is what it takes to keep that coming then I'm all for it.
Interficium
Banned
How did you get to full member status, serious question.
Please be infuriated.
CamHostage
Member
Funny, I find all of these designs to be surprisingly tasteful -- there are some that stand out, but most fit the aesthetic of the original designs while adding some colorful style to individualize players. I don't play R6 Siege, but I don't think these designs would bother me. And it's helping to keep the game going. It'd be very different if like they added Big-Head Mode or super saiyan glow trails or something like that.
MindGamingMantis
Banned
As an R6 fan, I came in here expecting points made about real issues the game has. Instead, we got a helmet rant. <____<
You're probably one of the only people in the world who cares about cosmetics, TC.
You're probably one of the only people in the world who cares about cosmetics, TC.
My thoughts exactly when I read the OP.
Thanks for saving me having to link the pic.
A complete non issue.
Well I hope if this thread is ever made the person also raves about what works in Siege and hope doesn't get changed for the worse.
How selfish of you
Devs who are supporting the game, have something to sell in order for them to continue supporting it and you complaining about how its not ''immersive''
You are bloody playing a videogame with a controller and shoot people in ways it doesn't happen in real life and you complain about skins breaking ''Immersion''?
WTF is wrong with people?
It's supposed to be training exercises for the framing device of it if I recall correctly, hence the intra-unit combat.
Course that doesn't explain the detonations and blood splatter.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Just fyi, It's not about the game being ruined or not me no longer playing it, but simply consistently in the art direction. It annoys me that so many games with a darker look so willingly sacrifice cohesion for kicks. I'm not going to stop playing a game I like because I hate the look of the gear, but I don't think it's unfair to point out the game looks garish and ridiculous where it previously did not. I've commented many times in Gears of War threads, for example, that their trash glowing/neon weapon and character skins harm the visual identity of those games. I don't get why it's such a bad thing to want games to continue to look as good as they can just because it's multiplayer. If something's ugly, I'mma call it ugly.
This split in perception that you either don't care about a topic or are a raging lunatic is strange. It's okay to criticize the minutia without getting up in arms about it. That's half the reason this nerd haven we call GAF exists.
As I and many others have already stated previously, when you play a competitive game for long you dont think about game's aesthetic anymore since you play it purely for the gameplay. There's also the fact that, for anyone who plays the game that long, a slightly lighter tone in skins helps and keeps it a bit refreshing because a) The game has a serious tone and b) The competitiveness (in Siege, CS and Gears especially) makes it 10 times more serious. So a bit of goofy stuff here and there be it in the form of skins or playing around with player animations to look stupid...counters that seriousness. Lastly about immersion, in a game like Siege it comes from the moment to moment hide and seek gameplay because by the time you see an enemy and their skin the fight is over.
Regardless of all that as a post above in this same page has pointed out the skins are no where near ridiculous like Gears for them to be breaking the style.
luckygodzilla
Member
Classy..
mikezilla2
Member
not what i throught this thread would be about at all.
Net_Wrecker
Member
That's fine, and I get it, but I just don't see it the same way. Visual consistency always matters imo, even after 200 hours. I like when games choose a role and stick to it. If Rainbow Six Siege is the serious shooter, commit to being the serious shooter all the way. I don't need levity from Rainbow Six, I want tension and elite operator/military/gear fetishism. I LIKE that Rainbow and Gears (well Gears 1, anyway) touch on another side of MP games that can feel intense and make you hold your breath, AND use a visual style to enhance that feeling. Blizzard wouldn't release a "GRITTY REALISM" pack in Overwatch without catching flak, so I don't see the issue with complaining that Samurai soldiers and Joker henchmen are thrown into Siege. And yes I realize that not all of the DLC are gimmicks.
Don't get it twisted though, I understand that that I'm on the extreme end of nitpicking here, and most people don't care about this. It's just something I notice in these games that sits in the back of my mind. Sometimes it's worse like Call of Duty which looks like absolute garbage now, sometimes it's not so bad like Siege.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I'd guess that ~70% of the posts in this thread are critical of the OP or dismissive to some extent. That's interesting, considering that everyone is very concerned about IQ, polycount, shaders, shadow quality, anisotropic filtering, chromatic aberration, art direction, etc., basically what we're looking at on the screen. The video part of video games. And here the OP is simply calling out a recently introduced visual element that is incongruent to some extent with the previously established style or visual expectations of the game, which is realistic military. I mean, some of those skins are like ICP facepaints or something.
Did I miss where OP talked about the Pringles DLC?
I was expecting this thread to be a complaint about some new guns being sold with better stats or something. To most, cosmetics like this are not an issue as long as the gameplay is untouched. There's just so many modern uniforms you can go through that would actually look unique.
This is true, but honestly the game is so fast paced most times that you never really see the cosmetics.
You get an angle on a moving blob/they get one on you and it's more often than not over already, so your pink gun or green hat doesn't matter.
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