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Why does anyone care what Digital Foundry says?

Can someone please give an example of DF saying something factually wrong in order to unfairly portray something in a more favorable or less favorable light than it should?

Because just saying so and gossiping like schoolchildren is not convincing.
 
Remember Spider-Man's puddlegate? That shit was shut down when Digital Foundry made a video about it.

Plastic Warriors for Sony/against DF upon remembering this:

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They make well produced videos.

Back up whatever they say on video then and there. I dont see any reason to discredit them.

They may not sound neutral anymore, but most journalism companies get to this point. They always point out in their videos to support them to keep making unbiaed content. Not enough people did that i presume.
 
Best tech of 2017: HZD, BOTW
Best tech of 2018: God of War, Spider-Man
Best tech of 2019: Metro Exodus, Death Stranding

But gaiz they're biased! They don't have Sony games filling up the entire top 5!
 
Can someone please give an example of DF saying something factually wrong in order to unfairly portray something in a more favorable or less favorable light than it should?

Because just saying so and gossiping like schoolchildren is not convincing.

Nobody can.

It's all butthurt.

Hypothetical, let's say that PS5 ends up with the best looking games, and wins every DF handily. Everyone shitting on DF in here will suddenly love them, and consider them the authority, and some of the bigger Xbox Plastic Warriors will do a 180 to start considering DF a biased, terrible source.

It's all so predictable and dumb.
 
Best tech of 2017: HZD, BOTW
Best tech of 2018: God of War, Spider-Man
Best tech of 2019: Metro Exodus, Death Stranding

But gaiz they're biased! They don't have Sony games filling up the entire top 5!

These games speak for themselves though, the only game on PC worth mentioning tech wise is Star Citizen and that isn't even a retail game yet.

In saying that, the technical powerhouse studios that Sony has under it's belt is undeniable! I think my favorite story is how Guerilla gave their entire decima engine code to Kojima upon him needing an engine and then they collaborated on it together and improved it together, it's a beautiful thing.

I cannot wait for next gen, everyone wins!

In regards to DF "changing" yes i think they have, but at the same time no one else is going to the lengths of break downs like them, if you watch NX gamer, VGtech and DF you're basically covered in most scenarios.
 
These games speak for themselves though, the only game on PC worth mentioning tech wise is Star Citizen and that isn't even a retail game yet.

In saying that, the technical powerhouse studios that Sony has under it's belt is undeniable! I think my favorite story is how Guerilla gave their entire decima engine code to Kojima upon him needing an engine and then they collaborated on it together and improved it together, it's a beautiful thing.

I cannot wait for next gen, everyone wins!

In regards to DF "changing" yes i think they have, but at the same time no one else is going to the lengths of break downs like them, if you watch NX gamer, VGtech and DF you're basically covered in most scenarios.
Not really. Control, Metro Exodus and RDR2 on PC look a lot better than on consoles to the point I think they are the best looking games on the market.

Unless of course you meant exclusives but AAA PC exclusives don't really exist anymore so eh.
 
Nobody can.

It's all butthurt.

Hypothetical, let's say that PS5 ends up with the best looking games, and wins every DF handily. Everyone shitting on DF in here will suddenly love them, and consider them the authority, and some of the bigger Xbox Plastic Warriors will do a 180 to start considering DF a biased, terrible source.

It's all so predictable and dumb.
As with most cognitive dissonance cases, they'd probably rationalize it by saying that the Microsoft money dried up or some other unfalsifiable claim. I've yet to see any smoking guns. Even smoke. All I see are trainee Boy Scouts trying to rub wet sticks together.
 
Can someone please give an example of DF saying something factually wrong in order to unfairly portray something in a more favorable or less favorable light than it should?

Because just saying so and gossiping like schoolchildren is not convincing.
It's what they don't say that's the problem. Blatantly giving false information would kill the channel. They've, admittedly, changed their angle to be more positive. Which means outside of fps issues, you're not going to find real critiques. John will spend 5 minutes telling you about some parallax snow footprint technology that's just amazing, but conveniently leave out none of the objects in the game have any physics. DF Retro's are a lot better because I guess enough time has passed since the game's release that it's more fair to look at all the game's shortcomings and compromises, which to me is a lot more interesting.
 
Most people aren't going to find a three FPS drop disappointing, or even know it exists.
I think the divide on that front largely comes down to platform. Console gamers and those on PC with crappy machines? Probably not. Those of us who are used to framerates > 60 though...we most certainly do. Hell, I can feel a drop to 59FPS...or imperfect sawtooth framepacing caused by being capped just below refresh (for example a 59.94FPS cap on a 60Hz refresh). The singular dropped frames are very noticable to my eye...and they bug the shit out of me.
 
I think the divide on that front largely comes down to platform. Console gamers and those on PC with crappy machines? Probably not. Those of us who are used to framerates > 60 though...we most certainly do. Hell, I can feel a drop to 59FPS...or imperfect sawtooth framepacing caused by being capped just below refresh (for example a 59.94FPS cap on a 60Hz refresh). The singular dropped frames are very noticable to my eye...and they bug the shit out of me.

I do understand. You guys are definitely a niche, though, and it's a bit weird to the rest of us when DF comes out with a very critical tone over such a, small to us, thing.

I have just put that aside, and accepted we all have different opinions, and on top of it, abilities to see this stuff.
 
Which means outside of fps issues, you're not going to find real critiques. John will spend 5 minutes telling you about some parallax snow footprint technology that's just amazing, but conveniently leave out none of the objects in the game have any physics.
Examples? And how does that lead to the conclusion that they favor one console over another?
 
Does anyone else put together better analysis videos with good capture footage at the rate that they do? I'm actually asking.

That's the problem, there is no competition. Biased or not, when it comes to head to head comparisons, Richard is pretty honest despite saying himself that he prefers Xbox. So they're still legit when they're 100% technical and dealing with games directly.
 
Alex, whose last name I don't know (or care to find), is generally terrible, and the stupid Crysis gag is getting long in the tooth.
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His choice of clothing, especially his v-neck sweaters, is appalling, and I hope he finds a kind partner who will help dress him competently in the years to come.
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Also, I wish they would all stop using the words "lavish, lush, rich and bespoke." They sound like morons, and I don't care if it's an inside joke.
lmao. i am dying here.

DF is alright. they need to stick to tech focused videos instead of pixel counting and framerate whoring. a frame drop here and there isnt going to kill anyone.
 
Examples? And how does that lead to the conclusion that they favor one console over another?
I don't think they favor either console, they're shills for all of them. The Gears 5 tech breakdown missed a lot of details like just how little interactivity there is in the world, less so than even in Gears 2. It's hard for me to give you examples for things they don't say. Just watch any tech breakdown they do, it's always positive at the expense of deeply diving into the tech behind games.
 
My main issue is that they seem to side heavily with Xbox.
I mean ofcourse most 3rd party games look better on the One X, unless you want to pull the NX Gamer card like he did with Red Dead Redemption 2 and make more LastWords happy.
People only like to hear what they want to hear.
 
I don't think they favor either console, they're shills for all of them.

That seems to go against the opinion from a lot of posters in this thread that they're Microsoft shills.

It's hard for me to give you examples for things they don't say.
Okay, but you realize that is not a convincing argument since it requires a subjective reading between the lines interpretation.

Just watch any tech breakdown they do, it's always positive at the expense of deeply diving into the tech behind games.

At the expense of deeply diving into the tech? They have frame rate and frame time counters up all the time. They go super zoomed in and talk about AA and AO and DoF and all kinds of details. The recent Ion Fury and Wonderful 101 reviews made it clear how the framerate was an issue and the flaws in each of those games.

I'm not convinced.
 
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Honestly, we have a lot to thank Digital Foundry for. They brought performance issues up that were generally ignored, such as frame pacing, locked framerates, or input lag.

Games these days run vastly better than they did pre-DF. I still love watching their videos because it keeps me informed as a consumer if I can stomach a Switch version or if I need to get a game on another platform.
 
I don't think they favor either console, they're shills for all of them. The Gears 5 tech breakdown missed a lot of details like just how little interactivity there is in the world, less so than even in Gears 2. It's hard for me to give you examples for things they don't say. Just watch any tech breakdown they do, it's always positive at the expense of deeply diving into the tech behind games.

This is a nice break from the stupidity on this page.

I do think this is accurate criticism, but I like that. It's nice to see people who are so enthusiastic for technology, and have that positivity and excitement rub off on you.

I do think that we have to consider that they're human. They're going to miss things. They aren't necessarily shilling all consoles + PC as much as covering these games, completely with an extraordinary workload (game after game after game as well), the best they can.

Certainly, John learned from the Gears 5 criticism, and even apologized for it, despite all the console warring tones around it.
 
They are pretty straightfoward in doing videos and presentations. I like their videos, even though I'm not a tech specs guy.

Also, the way they compare all the aspects of games(be a port or not) is very informative. DF Retro is one of my main reasons to watch DF.

I think whats is going on is that some people take their war way too serious and personnal nowadays.
 
They had me until they started apologizing for that shitty Gameboy port of that Zelda game for it's bad performance where any other game from any other company gets dragged through the coals for less. They're huge Nintendo fanbois.

The video they did about the Wticher 3 looking "AMAZING" on the Switch was also too much for me, that game looks like an old PS3 game with mud and vomit filter turned on max.

They used to only release videos when they had something real, like a tech breakdown of a game, now they regularlly release speculation videos and other nonsense.
 
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They had me until they started apologizing for that shitty Gameboy port of that Zelda game for it's bad performance where any other game from any other company gets dragged through the coals for less. They're huge Nintendo fanbois.

I remember that. Pretty egregious.

Personally, I think it's the excessive positivity and lack of objectivity that grinds my gears. They just scream amateur, but they seem to count as some heavyweight de facto standard when injected strategically into discussions, and I don't know why. Only one of them has real industry experience, and he's not even a developer.

They just need some competition to give them a good kick in the rear.
 
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They had me until they started apologizing for that shitty Gameboy port of that Zelda game for it's bad performance where any other game from any other company gets dragged through the coals for less. They're huge Nintendo fanbois.

This is apologetic?

In addition, there are plenty of minor skips and hiccups along the way as well so when you take everything together, it just doesn't feel as fluid as a Nintendo game should be - and that's a real shame. It's most noticeable while exploring the overworld but it can occur anywhere, which is why it's a problem. I was still able to have a great time despite this but it is distracting and I hope it can be solved. Portable performance is much the same - the frame-rate drops in the same manner as it does in docked mode and is equally distracting.

Judging by 'shitty game boy port', it's you with the problem.

The video they did about the Wticher 3 looking "AMAZING" on the Switch was also too much for me, that game looks like an old PS3 game with mud and vomit filter turned on max.

Seeing what you want to see, huh?

Even factoring out the enhanced consoles, the pristine 1080p of the PlayStation 4 version delivers a whole new level of clarity compared to the very blurry Switch version - and that's before we factor in the visual cutbacks required to get the game running. But it does run, and reasonably well to boot - but the bottom line is that the inherent level of compromise required across the board makes this Witcher 3 conversion far more suited to mobile play.
 
I hate this type of question so much, you might as well ask why people care about anything!? People like different things, you personally may not like it but other people do, is that such a hard concept to get?
 
ITT: Console warrior retards with an axe to grind, step outside of their bubble and meet sensible commentators.

Also in this thread: Internet Tough Guy Arcadia beats his sunken chest after leaping to the defense of his pretend-friends, Digital Foundry.

Do YOU have any kind of credentials to say anything?
😜

I'm not the one posting allegedly authoritative 3D analysis of popular games, despite having no formal experience in the field itself.
 
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Imo
richard = sega, xbox slanting
dark1x = pc, 60fps, sony slanting
alex = pc slanting

They do cool tech analysis like actually measuring input latency and whatnot.

Beyond that I don't pay attention to them.
i always wondered has any independent testers verify DF snazzy graphs and data?
 
i always wondered has any independent testers verify DF snazzy graphs and data?
I can't speak to their console data but I can confirm their PC data tends to be accurate, aside from a few very rare occasions which can be chalked up to error. I use it all the time when I run into a game that doesn't run quite as nicely as I'd like...well...them and Hardware Unboxed. Beats spending hours working out the percentage improvements and testing multiple settings to optimize performance with next to no image degradation myself.
 
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