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Why does anyone care what Digital Foundry says?

Because I'm not a batshit mental fanboy who gets upset at objecitve performance measurements which provide useful information for making an informed purchasing decision.

Personality-wise they're all just rather bland and inoffensive. I don't know how you could get riled up by any of them.
 
Terenty said:
So bad hdr implementation somehow nullifies every other technically impressive thing the game is doing? Its perfectly playable without hdr.

You can make a poll and ask people what's the most visually impressive game to date and i can guarantee Rdr 2 will lead it.
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Nah. Plenty of better looking games like Uncharted 4, Death Stranding or God of War imo.
HDR is not important for everyone but it's a joke they don't properly support it. The question was not if it's something that makes the game playable
 
rofif said:
Nah. Plenty of better looking games like Uncharted 4, Death Stranding or God of War imo.
HDR is not important for everyone but it's a joke they don't properly support it. The question was not if it's something that makes the game playable
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Lol at Uncharted 4 being better looking than RDR2.
 
oh yeah another know it all who calls other people fanboys

Digital Foundry shows more love for games and gamers than OP does in all his ranting

i would rather watch a million of their videos then read OP's "opinions"

like lol you are mad at them calling a game "lush".

DF provides valuable consumer information. OP wants us to remain in ignorance. because "console wars" or some dumb shit
 
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When they do their analysis with 400% zoom and state that certain graphical "error" can be obviously seen at half speed on certain scenes, I think that it is stupid. But their videos are entertaining and i find them fun and interesting to watch when they are not that anal. I do not feel that they are bias to Xbox, sometimes people get carried away on excitement like the time they went to MS offices to the XsX presentation Richard looks really excited, I would have been like him if I was there, I really l love games and those are kind of really cool experiences.
Their channel is good and I like it, I skip videos when i am not interested on the game being discussed.
There are toxic fanboy channels out there that are awful to watch and listen and theirs is not one of them.
 
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Thugnificient said:
Always found it looked kinda shit outside of cutscenes. To each his own though.
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I absolutely don't see that. It looks ray traced at times.
But still, the cake for best rendered asset in video games ever on any platform, in my opinion goes to Death Stranding and Die hardman in his last cutscene. my god how is it real time
 
carlosrox said:
It's interesting to watch but I don't care either way.

I love me some good visuals and performance but not at all a graphics or performance whore.

I'll play games at any resolution or settings as long as it's playable.

And I have a pretty powerful PC that can do 4k60. And I still love to play Switch games!

Hell I still see the beauty in NES, N64, and PS1 games. I don't give a fuck.

Quality games come first, visuals and performance come second and third.
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This perfectly sums up what I think as well. I love their content btw. I'll watch their takes at games before I would ever consider looking at a "pro" reviewer. Sure they are on the technical side but I get more "I love gaming" than IGN, Gamespot and other shit review sites. I wasn't raised on gaming. I started really going well into the SNES release and I have an appreciation for graphics that most would puke at or die when the frame counter dips to 59 FPS. I still marvel at the stuff Ranger X did on Sega Genesis. Shit, as long as a game isn't classically "broken", I can forgive other shortcomings.
 
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hyperbertha said:
I don't know about the others but you gotta be retarded to think that Alex person is unbiased. Sketchy as heck that guy.
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The austrian guy?
He is amazing. The guy deserves mad respect for Turok ball and the Crysis shrine in every video.
(Great content, love to watch that guy)
 
How many tech/gaming sites are there that even try to put out some decent quality content?
There are 2 other YouTube channels and both are "pro" Sony, added in quotes as they cover everything but it's not equal by any means.
I disagree, Richard, Alex and John are all capable individuals that have their own take on things and I respect them for what they do individually.
 
Endless Fluff said:
The only guy who is consistently wrong on something is Tom Morgan

The biggest one was when the X came out and he did his Forza 7 analysis, saying that the X delivers the full flat PC ultra experience at 4K/60, which is not true (reflections on X run at half refresh for example).

I still remember getting into an argument with Fanboys who'd cite that analysis telling me how wrong I was when I said that the X version doesn't look as good as the PC version.

Anyway, I kinda rely on their (and NX gamer's) content as I game on multiple systems.
Knowing what to avoid (Bloodstained on Switch for example) or if I can pick up a PS4 version of a game before it comes out on PC (like Nioh 2) is very helpful.
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You mean you aren't a fanboy whose opinion of them changes daily based on whether their opinions lines up with yours or not
 
DF is trash. Avoid at all costs, I remember some video of a dude debunking like two or three of their "tech reviews". Even though the dude was cursing like a sailor, he was right.
 
Because they are informative and point out accurate info and analisys, oh and let me guess, you guys prefer NXgamer, who clearly waits for digital Foundry to release their analisys, to make its own. And its a PS fanboy, Digital Foundry aren't bias to any platform, just PC still they are very honest and clear on the console side
 
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I agree with that excessive focus in FPS counts.
All other details in their analyses are informative and truly welcome.
 
they have had some good deep dives on videos like mortal kombat and doom where they looked at every released port and compared them on a technical level.
 
I find it all incredibly interesting, even if I don't always understand everything.

I find it more curious how some hate that they are popular.
 
longdi said:
i always wondered has any independent testers verify DF snazzy graphs and data?
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Considering that to do this verification you'll require equipment and time to check if they are wrong without getting anything in return, just the "Look at DF, they are wrong / subjective / partial to a platform I do not like" feeling, I'd say nobody will waste time on it.
 
Aretak said:
Because I'm not a batshit mental fanboy who gets upset at objecitve performance measurements which provide useful information for making an informed purchasing decision.

Personality-wise they're all just rather bland and inoffensive. I don't know how you could get riled up by any of them.
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Pretty much this. I want to see how a game looks & performs before I make a purchase. If it runs like crap on one console, I'll get the other version, or if it run like crap on both consoles, I'll go PC. Or if the PC version is crap, I'll stick with the console versions & choose whichever I want.

My only "critique" towards Digital Foundry is they're often not harsh enough with their criticism of bad performance. Some games & some sections (for example every town in Red Dead 2 on the base ps4) can become unplayable (or Halo 2 remake which had really bad performance on the One X last time I checked).

They need a "performance watch" section or something where the biggest games are regularly revisited after updates in order to ascertain their performance in major stress areas (I know they sometimes do that, but it has to be more often).
 
Interesting responses in this thread. One of the themes certainly seems to be, "I don't care about their analysis, but DF Retro is fantastic." That's basically Dark10X's, so he should feel good about his creation.
 
I love DF doing retro technical analysis, like the Daytona from every port comparison, or the Shenmue technical analysis. Some of the 'heavy' stuff like hardware memory, cache, nanometers, and hardware temperature tend to bore me.

They can't make every video that will please everybody.
 
They are certainly more qualified that the usual posters on this forum - yes you included

And they are way more professional than pretty much all other sites

I like them a lot - Oh and by the way.. comments about clothing? ...
 
Their videos are well made, informative and they like to dig into details.

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Chiggs said:
Interesting responses in this thread. One of the themes certainly seems to be, "I don't care about their analysis, but DF Retro is fantastic." That's basically Dark10X's, so he should feel good about his creation.
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I love D dark10x 's DF Retro, especially when he does look at a game across several platforms (Doom, Mortal Kombat, Tetris... just godlike). I wish he could dedicate more time into that. Retrocore's "Battle of the Ports" videos are fun, but DF Retro is just lightyears ahead of everything else.
 
#Phonepunk# said:
oh yeah another know it all who calls other people fanboys

Digital Foundry shows more love for games and gamers than OP does in all his ranting

i would rather watch a million of their videos then read OP's "opinions"

like lol you are mad at them calling a game "lush".

DF provides valuable consumer information. OP wants us to remain in ignorance. because "console wars" or some dumb shit
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Spot on. Couldn't have said it better. D dark10x and his team are doing tremendous work.
 
Why do you care so much? They have more credentials than the vast majority of people, so much so that the console makers themselves (Sony and MS) trust them to make informative videos about their products and give them exclusive access to normally off-limits info. That alone destroys your argument. And seriously? Complaining about appearances and clothing? Give me a break.
 
Chiggs said:
I honestly don't get it.

Outside of Richard Leadbetter, who has/had a respectable career as a journalist, I don't really see much technical expertise from the crew. As far as I'm aware, they're not professional developers, they don't have dev kits, and I generally feel they don't have the credentials to discuss, with any real merit, the things they discuss. They're basically Beyond3D fanboys who put together a YouTube channel and then Pied Piper'd a bunch of foaming-mouth zealots into the woods with them.

I remember Dark10X from the old NeoGAF days, and he seems like a decent enough guy, but he's basically an enthusiast who would gnash his teeth over 60fps. Alex, whose last name I don't know (or care to find), is generally terrible, and the stupid Crysis gag is getting long in the tooth. He also has zero screen presence and should probably just limit his dialogue as much as possible. His choice of clothing, especially his v-neck sweaters, is appalling, and I hope he finds a kind partner who will help dress him competently in the years to come.

More than happy to be shown why I'm wrong about these gents, but in a world where everyone decries the atrocities of console wars, I don't see a whole lot of light being shed on this organization that, for all intents and purposes, supplies the arms to each side.

Also, I wish they would all stop using the words "lavish, lush, rich and bespoke." They sound like morons, and I don't care if it's an inside joke.
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I like Darks retro videos, He's a fellow turbo autist so his enthusiasm shows through. The rest of them are fucking awful though, especially alex who sounds like he has sloppy shit in his mouth whenever he talks. Fucking disgusting.
 
I listened to a XBOX podcast recently and their entire play for next gen seems to be the DF wins for series X.

It was confusing to me because DF vids get 100k views with ease but the console market for PS and XB is around 160/170 million units. SO by the numbers DF appeals to a tiny fraction of a fraction but if you listen to that podcast, DF is everything?
 
Rolla said:
I listened to a XBOX podcast recently and their entire play for next gen seems to be the DF wins for series X.

It was confusing to me because DF vids get 100k views with ease but the console market for PS and XB is around 160/170 million units. SO by the numbers DF appeals to a tiny fraction of a fraction but if you listen to that podcast, DF is everything?
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Console gamers in general don't care about this. A tiny fraction of the userbase is very vocal but it's just that, a tiny fraction. Average Joe doesn't care how good a game looks much less how well it runs. As long as it's fun they'll be content.
 
DF provides great content. Making factual statements about hardware doesn't make them biased. That's fanboy faux outrage bullshit
 
SpokkX said:
They are certainly more qualified that the usual posters on this forum - yes you included

And they are way more professional than pretty much all other sites

I like them a lot - Oh and by the way.. comments about clothing? ...
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My thoughts when I read stuff like the OP: "what the fuck have you made or created lately?" So quick to make the hyperbolic critical statements while producing...what yourself? DF Retro is awesome and I genuinely care about their comparison videos because it helps me to decide which version of a game to get. For cross platform titles that are on Switch and PC, for example, I'll probably go for the Switch version if the differences are negligible, because I like its portability. But if it runs like dogshit I'll get the PC version. Their analyses are comprehensive and objective enough that I trust them to inform my decision.

Maybe it's fuel for console warring tards but I don't give a shit about any of that. The anger should be directed at the mouth breathers who care about brand loyalty to megacorps, not a content creator like DF.
 
VertigoOA said:
DF provides great content. Making factual statements about hardware doesn't make them biased. That's fanboy faux outrage bullshit
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They're pretty much the only tech YouTube channel I've come across for gaming that doesn't appear to be bought out or fanboys. They tell it like it is and use data to back it up. Not like Gamespot, IGN, Windows Cental,
PushSquate etc.
 
Terenty said:
Lol, this right here tells you they dont know shit about what they are talking about.

Best tech of 2018 is Spider man and God of War? Is it a joke ? What about Rdr 2? You dont need to know all the nitty gritty to see for yourselves that Rdr 2 puts to shame games that come out even now, what kind of bs is that? The game looks borderline nextgen and runs almost perfectly on 7 year old consoles and they say God of war is more impressive?

I knew their were incompetent when i saw their Death Stranding(i'm a fan) analysis and they didn't even mention blatant graphical blemishes there, like low res textures in the distance, everything was super great according to them.
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Kinda with you on this one.
 
Digital Foundry does a banger of a job in their tech analysis and their genuine excitement for video games and the tech behind them is infectious. Richard, John Linneman are super likable individuals.
 
I love Digital Foundry. I think their analysis are fair, they back up what they say and overall I think they seem like a cool bunch of people so I buy into their personalities too.

What I do find weird is sometimes they do miss huge graphical issues in games. I understand you can't find 100% of issues in games, but God of War for example on PS4 has these white spots that constantly flash on screen (you notice it more in dark areas) and I for sure would have thought it would be worth mentioning in the analysis as it bugged me to the point of hating it and it stands out a lot more than some of the graphical artifacts they have to zoom in to find.

But yeah, great bunch of guys discussing topics I care about.
 
rofif said:
Nah. Plenty of better looking games like Uncharted 4, Death Stranding or God of War imo.
HDR is not important for everyone but it's a joke they don't properly support it. The question was not if it's something that makes the game playable
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No one of these games is better looking than rdr2, even more if you consider the scope and what he moves on screen.
 
GymWolf said:
No one of these games is better looking than rdr2, even more if you consider the scope and what he moves on screen.
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I absolutely do not agree. What do we do now? For me, Uncharted 4 looks like real life/movie at times while RDR2 always looks like a game.
Death Stranding beats them both in realism of characters.
The scope has nothing to do with it. You cannot elevate worse graphics, because there are more of them
 
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rofif said:
I absolutely do not agree. What do we do now? For me, Uncharted 4 looks like real life/movie at times while RDR2 always looks like a game.
Death Stranding beats them both in realism of characters.
The scope has nothing to do with it. You cannot elevate worse graphics, because there are more of them
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Do you really think that uncharted looks more realistic than rdr2?

Well hard disagree, matter of taste i guess.
The only thing better in unchy 4 are nate and elena faces and some spectacular set pieces, during normal gameplay it looks fare more cartoony than rdr2.

DS is fucking barren and with almost nothing on screen, he has good character model (not all of them) and rocks, but even horizon or days gone are more impressive to me, a lot of ingame animations are straight up bad and stiff in that game (especially combat and when you fall down, total lack of ragdoll or euphoria animations style).
 
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I find their videos interesting and informative.
They are geeks like us.
Even if they seems to be less neutral than before (it depends on the subject), they are way more neutral than NX.

I am not a fan of Alex too.
He reminds of the guy who have a guitar , knows only a few notes and he's proud about(Check the video he got one). He needs to show everyone that he got one,..
 
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