rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Exactly. Yet moron pushishers still think people prefer and/or migrate to PC because of GrApHiCs.
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Why don’t console embrace mouse and keyboard more?
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Source??? I find hard to believe a single engine that fails to have m+kb support and can't think of any game UI that only works with controllers.
Mibu no ookami
Member
I think there are a lot of reasons why people play on PC
- KB/M
- Long history of games they can play on one platform
- Ability to modify games
- A lot more hardware options
- Wide screen support
- Better graphics, resolution, vrr implemntation, upscaling
- Better integration with things like discord and twitch
- More compatible with video capture cards
- More control over how the game plays
- Bigger discounts on the games
I think there are things that can be replicated on consoles that just aren't.
I think the PS5 Pro will outclass 80% of most gaming rigs, but the customization of the game, modification of the game, is likely to be out of reach.
I think as BC stays part of the platform now, that history will grow.
I think Sony can try to put premium hardware out as an option.
Discord and twitch support I think are already improving.
MasterDerico
Member
No please, i work all day with mouse and keyboard...All i want later is chill and play comfortable with my controller!
chilichote
Member
It's uncomfortable^^
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Sure all that counts too, but for some exclusives, I bet tons of people would care more about them if they had just better "inputs" support. I can't care less for games like Horizon Forbidding West after playing Zero Dawn with mouse+kb.
Then you are using them wrong. It's more comfortable as you don't need claw grip and don't even need to hold anything in your hands.
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BlackTron
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When it comes to mouse/kb on console I am almost always narrowly thinking of FPS games (where it makes a difference). Which are almost entirely made for PC and then ported to console. I'm not referring to cases where a console exclusive third person action adventure platformer was later ported to PC, which has a good excuse not to be arsed updating the original version.
I can see why a dev wouldn't go back to patch in kb/mouse controls for a 3D Mario clone that later made it to PC. But why deprive mouse/kb for a FPS game that already has both mouse and controller on PC. Doesn't make any sense
RoadHazard
Gold Member
But how can I fit a 4090 in that?
HTK
Banned
I know some of you live in a box, but there are plenty of console owners including myself that have always played on a monitor behind a desk. There are times I game on TV but that's only when I'm playing a single player game.
Anyway, OP is right. No reason why some of these games that are cross-play, cross-platform don't have MnK support. I know CoD has it not sure about others. Diablo 4 should have it if it already doesn't, this should be part of accessibility in general.
Anyway, OP is right. No reason why some of these games that are cross-play, cross-platform don't have MnK support. I know CoD has it not sure about others. Diablo 4 should have it if it already doesn't, this should be part of accessibility in general.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Even getting like 5% more interest in a game due to KBM would make it worth it.
JimboJones
Member
Same thing that's always bugged me about split screen in console game but not included in PC version (borderlands/diablo4) but I'm assuming the answer is it's different dev teams prioritizing different perceived strengths of whatever platform they work on?
Just adding another important reason:
You don't need to pay for a subscription to play online multiplayer
Audiophile
Gold Member
Mouse & KB are more effective/performant at the top end but less practical for relaxing play and I personally find them to be less enjoyable. Controller is a more organic experience.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Also, if M&KB is promoted as compatible devices then all the sales console makers get from selling gamepads gets less and less.
SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
Yeah, usually from PC->Console is a less painful path, since the developer probably already supports most input methods.
But even then, every platform has their own set of APIs that the developer has to take into account.
One non-technical reason might be to put everyone on the same level (for multiplayer games), having skill dictated only by the default input method to make things more "fair".
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Venom Snake
Member
Because controllers are more convenient in most typical console titles. I only use kb+m in RTS games, the rest is just couch+Dual Sense and that suits me perfectly. I wouldn't want to play Monster Hunter on a fucking keyboard.
Elder Legend
Banned
8BiTw0LF
Banned
Funny... Competitive Call of Duty, Apex Legends and Fortnite are dominated by controller players - on PC...
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Because I tend to play reclined on my couch at night. I sit at a desk at work. Last thing I want to do is go home and do that some more.
Plus I get to fool around on the couch with the wife, while the kids are sleeping upstairs. Not that this has much to do with the question. Just wanted to share.
Plus I get to fool around on the couch with the wife, while the kids are sleeping upstairs. Not that this has much to do with the question. Just wanted to share.
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OverHeat
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Aim assist…
8BiTw0LF
Banned
Wanna do a 1 v 1 in CoD or Apex. I use controller and you use your expensive mkb?
Because it cost too much for good stuff
8BiTw0LF
Banned
Knightime_X
Member
As long as they can seperate controller from kbm players as an option i'm ok with it
Dorfdad
Gold Member
WOT!
Xenon
Member
Pretend to hold a keyboard and mouse and push your hands together... nothing
Pretend like you are holding a controller, push your hands together until your thumbs and index fingers touch each other. Now slowly rotate your index fingers up toward you, while lowering both thumbs... you will find your answer
Pretend like you are holding a controller, push your hands together until your thumbs and index fingers touch each other. Now slowly rotate your index fingers up toward you, while lowering both thumbs... you will find your answer
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
Yes, of course the option would ruing your experience.
Personally I would play a lot more console ig the titles having decent framerate supported it.
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Lex Tenebris
Neo Member
The starting question ask why console doesn't embrace mk, not why console gamer don't use it or don't like it. As far as I can tell Xbox fully supports them, in the dashboard just the keyboard, and it's just a choice of the developers to add support or not in games.
Everyone have their personal preferences in regards of input methods, personally I prefer controllers for the majority of games, but sometimes I feel that I would play more comfortably with mk (civilization, age of empires, and so on)
Everyone have their personal preferences in regards of input methods, personally I prefer controllers for the majority of games, but sometimes I feel that I would play more comfortably with mk (civilization, age of empires, and so on)
Squarehard
Member
chilichote
Member
I'm pretty sure I know how to use a mouse and keyboard. It's just not as convenient as with a controller; I don't sit at a desk, I lie/sit on the couch or bed.
Georges Chiellins
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MasterDerico
Member
Don't get it!?I see you are good friends withkanjobazooie you seem to have alot in common.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Like this.
How do I play Horizon Forbidden West with native m+kb on PC?
I lie on a bed with m+kb and controller.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
I would guess close enough to 100% that it makes no sense for devs to spend resources on KB/M support. Fuck I have used my PC as a "console" for 12 years and won't even try to use KB/M. I like the big screen experience. Last game I played in PC mode on a desk was Divinity II and Witcher 2 was one of the early games I played on a PC hooked up to a TV.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Controllers are literally PART of what a game console is.
People seem to have forgotten the prior to PC, home computer gaming was based on keyboard and Joystick. Mice didn't even come along til the mid eighties, after controllers were established in the early 80's as part of the third generation of consoles.
It always cracks me up when PC guys talk like they have history on their side when they are actually the late-comers to the party.
People seem to have forgotten the prior to PC, home computer gaming was based on keyboard and Joystick. Mice didn't even come along til the mid eighties, after controllers were established in the early 80's as part of the third generation of consoles.
It always cracks me up when PC guys talk like they have history on their side when they are actually the late-comers to the party.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Did we have shooters, RTSs, "WoWs" and analog sticks in the 80's on consoles?
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
What's your point? Many joysticks were analog going back to the 70's! The Atari VCS was an oddity in that it had a digital joystick, which became the paradigm for the home computer era.
As to genre types, off the top of my head I can think of Ozark Softworks' M.U.L.E as an early multiplayer RTS game, there were first-person maze games before that too. Obviously something like WoW didn't exist because this is all years before the internet, although of course MUD's were around in the mainframe and BBS days. None of which used mice, because they didn't exist until Steve Jobs raided Xerox Parc for their invention!
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Pegasus Actual
Member
Console and PC gamers need a divorce. No more of this m+k support on muh console shit. No more of this "I want Sony ports on muh living room PC" shit. Separate games. Separate inputs. Hell, make separate neogafs.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Games that controllers sucks could have m+kb support as option. Simple as that. Just like OP suggested and several games already have.
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