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[Vestal]

Kind of funny that the system was not a fucking dev kit then!
It was just a PC!

The reason you need an emulator to dev for windows phone is because they run on fucking ARM CPUs!

and this is custom hardware with a custom operating system. You have to emulate.

 

[L.O.R.D]

Its and empty shell , just imagine the HEAT with no ventilation.

i am not fanboy, but for 3 year there is xbox 360 in closed environment in local game store near me, its used to play demo of fifa 09
the xbox still running

 

[Gestault]

As I pointed out before, if they're simply demoing some games using off-the-shelf computer setups spec'd to match the system, what's the second piece of hardware in each cabinet?

 

[Alebrije]

i am not fanboy, but for 3 year there is xbox 360 in closed environment in local game store near me, its used to play demo of fifa 09
the xbox still running

Maybe the store has air conditioning or you live on a cold area (guessing) and helps...but in my place a 360 will burn inside those plastic box....

 

[TheD]

Simple fact is that at this point they should have near final hardware available, Sony does.

 

[Vestal]

As I pointed out before, if they're simply demoing some games using off-the-shelf computer setups spec'd to match the system, what's the second piece of hardware in each cabinet?

UPS maybe

 

[Alebrije]

As I pointed out before, if they're simply demoing some games using off-the-shelf computer setups spec'd to match the system, what's the second piece of hardware in each cabinet?

A No-break maybe..

 

[jtb]

what's with the title changes... am I going senile and imagining things?

 

[Elios83]

Simple fact is that at this point they should have near final hardware available, Sony does.

Final devkits should be available for both if they want to go on sale this November.
The problem is if this PC is a devkit or not. People are saying it's not a devkit and it has a Geforce Titan in it? WTF??

 

[Paradicia]

what's with the title changes... am I going senile and imagining things?

No, I seen it change too.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I remember The Order: 1886 developer stated on GT interview that they brought the Devkit andit is running in-game in-engine realtime.

Seth on Giantbomb also talked about it being real engine.

 

[beril]

and this is custom hardware with a custom operating system. You have to emulate.

Do you seriously believe MS has made an actual emulator for the xb1?
What would even be the point?

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

My friend who knows a few of the Bungie guys said that they'd told them that MS would be doing this. I'm not utterly surprised.

 

[USC-fan]

Someone find the post in one of the rumor thread about the beta hardware being very powerful and you will see a downgrade in game when move to retail hardware.

I know a read this on gaf before. THe reason they gave for the powerful dev kit is because they had to emulate a bunch of fix feature hardware.

I think it was back in a thread where the xbox summit stuff was being talk about. Someone else has to remember this also...

 

[Paradicia]

Do you seriously believe MS has made an actual emulator for the xb1?
What would even be the point?

It'd be pointless and cut into dev time trying to reach the launch window.

 

[Erasus]

if that true, hacker could easily hack the system and make emulator, especially if the xbox one use x86 processor

No. Because MS has access to the XOne hardware, drivers and API.
People making emulators have it leaked or not at all.
Xbox1 is not emulated due to the Nvidia card not being documented outside of MSHQ.

PS2 emulator PCSX2 took years to reach the point of being good, like a year or so ago. It also need a dual core/quad core CPU and a DX10 card to run its best. Way above PS2 specs.

PS3 has a limited PS2 emulator used for the PS2 classics on PSN store. Was unlocked as shown in a GAF thread to be able to run some PS2 discs!
And they have the PS2 100% documented and cant make it work on a more powerful console 100%.

 

[Chaos17]

in this cabinet, there is no xbox one

maybe there is pc in this pic or not

Some booth didn't had any Xbox 1 on them it seems and wait...
Didn't I just found the booth where the guy is checking the PC by chance ?
Pictures and logo seems the same.

Source : http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-21539_7-10017152-3.html

 

[Protome]

UPS maybe

Really?
It's a dev-kit or at least unfinished XBone hardware.

 

[Vestal]

Do you seriously believe MS has made an actual emulator for the xb1?
What would even be the point?

so are you saying that all the games shown on these machines were running natively on w7????

 

[kortez320]

So yeah. Anyone who thought any of the next-gen games shown were on either PS4 or Xbone isn't really familiar with reality. There's not really anything notable about this even including the fact that they are running Nvidia hardware.

The funniest thing I've seen posted in regards to this is that they are using Xbone/PS4 equivalent hardware. Really? They are using 7850s and low power CPUs to show this stuff off? Completely unoptimized? Give me a break.

It's all 680+ and 3930ks for as far as you can see.

 

[Ahasverus]

It doesn't look like a development kit. It looks like a PC with Windows environment.

It was. Reports of crashes going to WINDOWS 7 (lol) desktops were present.

 

[Paradicia]

Some booth didn't had any Xbox 1 on them it seems

Source : http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-21539_7-10017152-3.html

Isn't that game LocoCycle in the picture? Hardly a demanding game to run on XB1.

 

[shinnn]

Apparently these pictures go with the one in the op

(Credit to Reddit)

Funny how the twitter post forgot to mention the game, neither it is in the picture in the OP.

 

[spwolf]

wernt there rumors how MS is behind software development as well? So both software and hardware? Then running on PC's makes sense.

 

[derFeef]

Funny how the twitter post forgot to mention the game, neither it is in the picture in the OP.

It's LocoCycle.

 

[Zombie James]

I find it really troubling if games aren't running on dev kits (at least) at five months before launch. MS is going to have to start manufacturing these things soon.

 

[Vestal]

Looking at that picture this looks like a custom built PC by the mere presence of a corsair closed CPU cooler. How everyone is so certain what card this is running I have no clue because with that image I could make a case that it looks like my 660ti.

 

[ace22b]

We worked very hard to get our game running on the actual PS4 hardware and operating system in time for the show. As did many other devs.

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/345688204776730624

Sounds like at least some games were shown on PS4 devkits.

 

[Atomski]

so are you saying that all the games shown on these machines were running natively on w7????

Id say yes..

Isnt the Xbone running on something super similar to Windows 8 anyways? I bet ports will be super easy.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

So yeah. Anyone who thought any of the next-gen games shown were on either PS4 or Xbone isn't really familiar with reality. There's not really anything notable about this even including the fact that they are running Nvidia hardware.

What are you talking about there have been reports that PS4 games were running on PS4 dev kits .
This just goes back rumors that MS was behind by 6 months , still don't see the reason for them run them on such a powerful GPU .

 

[cebri.one]

Didn't CBOAT say to expect a downgrade of XB1 games after E3?

 

[I H8 Memes]

If E3 was about having real code or fully working games with no issues or complications, E3 would have hardly any games to play. It might as well be the Ouya sized event.

^^ This right here. This is the story of pretty much every E3 game demo you've seen over the last decade. These games are pretty much always running on a PC.

 

[dragonbane]

I don't think we are going to see any graphical downgrades, however performance drops will probably be a lot more common...

 

[DBT85]

Nobody posted Mr Blows comments?

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/345687082158682112

 

[beril]

so are you saying that all the games shown on these machines were running natively on w7????

Yes, apparently.

Running a modern console game through emulation at an event like this would be ridiculous. If they had the xbox build ready and performing well, why the hell wouldn't they run it on the devkit instead? There's no way an emulator (if it had existed) would be able to run it faithfully, with decent performace at this point. The only system I've worked on were the SDK has an emulator is Android, and even that is slow as hell, not very faithful and overall mostly useless.

 

[cebri.one]

^^ This right here. This is the story of pretty much every E3 game demo you've seen over the last decade. These games are pretty much always running on a PC.

@jonathanblow disagrees

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[Replicant]

ya weird. Crytek devs on Beyond3d stated that that game(Ryse) was on actual Xbox One hardware. So there is one.

That'd explain Ryse's mediocre graphic.

 

[Proelite]

@jonathanblow disagrees

jblow with his infinite wisdow.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

We need pictures from E3 of this PS4 dev kit which by the size of it I would think it has near final hardware in it?

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Mr. Blow sticking another knife into MS.

 

[Pistolero]

I guess I'm in the minority here, but none of the games shown by MS made me go : "wow! This console must have some secret sauce. Surely they're using beefed up PCs to impress us". They are what I would have expected from a hardware supposedly 8 - 10 times more powerful than the last ones.

 

[Vestal]

Yes, apparently.

Running a modern console game through emulation at an event like this would be ridiculous. If they had the xbox build ready and performing well, why the hell wouldn't they run it on the devkit instead? There's no way an emulator (if it had existed) would be able to run it faithfully, with decent performace at this point. The only system I've worked on were the SDK has an emulator is Android, and even that is slow as hell, not very faithful and overall mostly useless.

difference is that according to Microsoft the gaming os is already running as a VM of sorts on the Xbox one, on top of w8 none the less.

 

[dragonbane]

difference is that according to Microsoft the gaming Ps is already running as a VM of sorts on the Xbox one, on top of w8 none the less.

Well the PCs at E3 were running Windows 7, so lol...

 

[Vestal]

Well the PCs at E3 were running Windows 7, so lol...

dev tools started before w8 was released no reason to throw another wrench in the equation.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

jblow with his infinite wisdow.

Reading those tweets, my mind was playing the "Boom.gif"

Yeah I never heard of a Dev kit having better gpu. Everyone probably knew they had better ram. Probably double.

dev tools started before w8 was released no reason to throw another wrench in the equation.

Don't xbox one use windows 8 kernel or what not?

 

[Wishmaster92]

MS: QUICK DELETE THE PICTURES OR ELSE OMFG!!!!

 

[weekend_warrior]

Making the game look better than it actually will at launch.

You think Microsoft would do that? Just go to E3 and tell lies?

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

Wow win 7 and a titan in there, interesting. Maybe because of the yield issues?

 

[Vestal]

So they tell us about DRM up front. But some how they are going to lie about this???

 

[outsida]

That's probably just a PC version of Lococycle everyone in this thread is arguing about.