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Why is Pierce Brosnan's Bond era so heavily disliked?

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AlexBasch

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Since it's pretty much agreed Goldeneye is fucking awesome, I will never forget how fucking amazing the opening from Tomorrow Never Dies was.

When he blows up the whole black market weapon meeting, kills the pilots and gets away safely? My goodness.

Gonna watch that scene right now.

"THE HELL IS HE DOING?!"
"His job."

Goddamn.
 
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Worst Bond moment.

Also one of the best Bond moments
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Even though I enjoyed Craig and some of his movies more, Brosnan will always be who I think of as James Bond.
 

Jake.

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best bond.

goldeneye = amazing.
tomorrow never dies = great.
the world is not enough = okay.
die another day = garbage.

fight me.
 

- J - D -

Member
Disliked? Heavily? News to me. Sure, I know people hate (or LOVE) the one where he surfs, but I always got the vibe that Brosnan era was fondly remembered.

best bond.

goldeneye = amazing.
tomorrow never dies = great.
the world is not enough = okay.
die another day = garbage.

fight me.

No fight. Handshake. Die Another Day = one man's garbage, another's treasure.
 

Jezbollah

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Goldeneye was the best Brosnan film - he got older and his films worse. Die Another Day was terrible.

I think he does get on the receiving end of a rough deal here - He SHOULD have been Bond years earlier but Remington Steel commitments got in the way. He was too old when he became Bond - a bit like Roger Moore..
 

Chuckie

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It's been awhile since I've seen it but I loved The World is Not Enough growing up.

Sophie Marceau was a great villain.

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She was. That scene on the torture chair was hawt!

I kinda liked Tomorrow Never Dies too, because it had a woman that kicked ass instead of just being Bonds toy.

Die Another Day was trash.
 
Brosnan was amazing, but the movies were just plain awful. Over-the-top and cheesy to an extent that would make even the worst of the Moore movies look like a serious drama.

Well, Goldeneye was ok.
 

Pancake Mix

Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Goldeneye is well-loved, and yes I mean the film.

After that, things got a bit worse, of no fault of Pierce's.

best bond.

goldeneye = amazing.
tomorrow never dies = great.
the world is not enough = okay.
die another day = garbage.

fight me.

I agree with this. It was a downhill slope.
 
I wouldn't even say most of his movies were bad. DaD was hot garbage, but so was Spectre. And unlike Brosnan, it felt like Craig was phoning it in.
 
He's my Bond. The one I grew up with.

Goldeneye was pretty great.

I love Tomorrow Never Dies if only because of how insane it actually is. A STEALTH BOAT?! REMOTE CONTROLLED DRILL TORPEDO?! Oh, and then this scene always gets me, creepy bit aside. Really brings in the insane German stereotype henchman.

I don't remember anything about The World Ends With You aside from the dude that can't feel pain, a submarine, a woman main villain, Christmas, and an oil pipeline.

Die Another Day sucked. Although Halle Berry did do some wonders for me as a young middle-schooler.
 

daTRUballin

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I don't believe you. Goldeneye is a treasure and always will be. Second best film in the franchise behind Casino Royale.

Goldeneye IS a beloved Bond film, but there's people even in this very thread who are saying it was a good film only because it was originally meant for Dalton.
 
Fun fact, Pierce Brosnan was both the biggest and smallest Bond. He was a lean 165lbs in Goldeneye. About 50lbs heavier in Die Another Day.
 
Eh, Goldeneye was good at the time but as others have said it aged terribly. Reminds me of the Burton Batman films in that regard: Films in the 90s that were seen as uber dark and gritty but once the new franchise films of the 00s came out they're just downright tame in comparison.

Tomorrow Never Dies was by the numbers and safe. I enjoyed it, but it was a pretty mediocre film overall.

The World is not Enough, damn. The first half of the film really felt like a breath of fresh air. Then Denise Richards showed up and it all went downhill.

Die Another Day: Ass-Garbage.
 

Dead Man

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Goldeneye IS a beloved Bond film, but there's people even in this very thread who are saying it was a good film only because it was originally meant for Dalton.

There are? I saw people saying it might have been even better with Dalton, but I missed the ones where people said it was ONLY because Dalton was attached at one time.

PS. Dalton is best Bond. Brosnan was good, but his producers let him down big time.

Eh, Goldeneye was good at the time but as others have said it aged terribly. Reminds me of the Burton Batman films in that regard: Films in the 90s that were seen as uber dark and gritty but once the new franchise films of the 00s came out they're just downright tame in comparison.

Tomorrow Never Dies was by the numbers and safe. I enjoyed it, but it was a pretty mediocre film overall.

The World is not Enough, damn. The first half of the film really felt like a return to form. Then Denise Richards showed up and it all went downhill.

Die Another Day: Ass-Garbage.

Goldeneye was never dark and gritty. It was much less dark than License to Kill.

Edit: Neither was Batman, it was dark and campy. Just like it still is.
 

daTRUballin

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Disliked? Heavily? News to me. Sure, I know people hate (or LOVE) the one where he surfs, but I always got the vibe that Brosnan era was fondly remembered.

Well, what can I tell ya? You probably don't spend enough time on the internet then. Especially here on GAF. :p

If this entire thread isn't proof enough of what I was talking about in the OP, then I don't know what is. *Shrug*
 

Bishop89

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Only Goldeneye is really good, the rest not so much.

Though, he did have prime Denise Richards so there's that.

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Also he has the best gun barrel segment no doubt

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They relied too much on gadgets an spectacle. Ironically he wanted his Bond to be more like what Craig is doing with the character but the studio said no.

He was a great Bond, but that era just had shit writing. Dude got hosed.

Yeah, it's s shame.

Still, I have good memories of Goldeneye.
 

daTRUballin

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There are? I saw people saying it might have been even better with Dalton, but I missed the ones where people said it was ONLY because Dalton was attached at one time.

PS. Dalton is best Bond. Brosnan was good, but his producers let him down big time.

People aren't just saying that the movie would've been better with Dalton. They're saying that the entire movie was originally meant for Dalton. The script, the story, everything. It was supposed to be more in line with the Dalton films, which is why it feels so different from the later and more campier Brosnan films. It even had a story focused on Russia and the Cold War despite coming out four years after the Cold War ended. So it almost feels like people are discrediting Brosnan's presence in the movie and saying that it was basically "a Dalton film with Brosnan in it", and that's why it was good. It's just a little unfair, I feel.
 

Ushojax

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GoldenEye was great, TWINE was OK and the other two were rancid. Die Another Day was just a bizarre movie that veered into a cartoon parody of the Roger Moore era and Tomorrow Never Dies was just forgettable. Brosnan wasn't a bad Bond but I don't think the producers really struck a consistent tone for his films. We saw glimpses of every aspect of Bond's personality but it never really settled on a clear characterisation. He could have been the best Bond but he writing just wasn't good enough.
 

pbayne

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Diminishing returns. Goldeneye was good but kind of a crapshoot after that.
I thought Brosnan was perfect as Bond though. Second best to Connery.
 

AniHawk

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i haven't seen die another day since it released, but i remember liking the movie up until the invisible car shows up. bond on his own without gadgets was cool and the swordfight was neat too. then the movie turns around and goes a thousand miles per hour in the opposite direction.
 
Brosnan definitely had the Bond girls.

But honestly I haven't really seen a great modern Bond movie between either Brosnan or Craig. To be fair they are probably compared to unobtainable nostalgia, like comparing athletes from different eras.
 

Herne

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He's a great Bond, but GoldenEye aside his films were not very good... even if I still like them and quite happily watch them. Their quality is hardly his fault, though. The stories got ever more ridiculous and relied too much on stupid improbable gadgets.
 
Also, his Bond songs were meh.

I'm a big fan of Garbage so possibly biased, but I love The World Is Not Enough.

Also really like the film actually. I think he had 50% good films and 50% awful (Goldeneye & TWINE vs. TMD & DAD respectively). Thought he was a very good Bond plagued by shit writing.
 
Probably because for a lot of people his films started off with promise and eventually petered off into crap like Die Another Day.

For me, I don't dislike the Brosnan Bond era that much, it's just that I found so many of the films to be utterly "bland". He was a fine Bond, but the writers just didn't know what they wanted to do with his interpretation of the character, and as a result, a lot of it felt very underwhelming to me.
 

D.Lo

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Fantastic Bond, in films that started well (if a bit Budget constrained) and fell as they want along until the Madonna one which just had so much wrong with it it was hard to believe. Even the title was too close to TND which was ridiculous.

Tina Turner's Goldeneye is rad.
I love the song, but the synth strings grate so hard on me.

Tomorrow Never Dies was a beautiful song IMO.
 
I'll say this for Pierce, he was easily the most suave dude to don the tux. I feel kinda icky watching the womanizing that pretty much any other Bond does, but with Brosnan, I can buy it. Seeing how that's sort of an integral part of the character, that he played it better than any other guy has still, I think that ought to count for something.

a bit off topic, but why is The Living Daylights so highly regarded amongst fans of the series? I think its only just fine. I would rank License to Kill much higher.
 
Sadly Brosnan got dealt a bad handful of movies. Goldeneye was the best, obviously, of his movies. But its also my personal favorite bond film of all time and, likely, as a result, despite his shit movies he is my favorite bond as well. Brosnan was born for the role in the way that Patrick Stewart was born to play professor x. Its not his fault everything after goldeneye sucked (ok some were decent). Thats down to the writers and director.

Nothing he did was as bad as quantum or skyfall though. Lets be honest here. And those shit movies arent daniel craigs fault either. I think people are just too quick to blame a bad movie on an actor. Brosnan was perfect for the role. The movies after goldeneye failed him.
 

Patrick S.

Banned
I didn't mind Pierce Brosnan in the BMW movie. It was very BMW, especially when the BMW did those awesome BMW things. Never before has a BMW BMW'd as much as this BMW BMW'd in this BMW movie.
 
Brosnan is a solid Bond trapped in horrible films. Goldeneye was great, Tomorrow Never Dies was there, and the latter two were dire.

Yup. That's how I see it, too.

The best Bond is probably still Sean Connery.

The worst bond is Roger Moore. He never appears to be a gentleman spy, but more some kind of ignorant chauvinist and the movies are sometimes pure slapstick filled with sexism.

To be precise Daniel Craig was good, too. But I doubt that besides Casino Royal or Skyfall anything of his movies will be considered great or a classic.
 
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