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[devilscallmedad]

2 million sold by the end of the year, wow its gaining lead on the ps3 and killing 360's lead quickly

 

[soundwave05]

Maybe it is because Nintendo fans have not seen this hype in a while. It has happened for Sony and Micorosoft for awhile now. Microsoft had quite a few time articles (remember the one with Bill Gates on the cover with the Xbox 360.

This is just Christmas launch hype. I see this every year. I don't see it really as a big deal. It is hype that hypes up the consoles for the holiday.

Sony has been having some negative press because of the price and not having the consoles around.

The only difference is that Nintendo can hit a million consoles for the holiday season because they have more consoles to sell. They have more consoles to sell because the hardware is from 2001 and overclocked (not exactly a big deal).

What is the big deal (other than more consoles to sell) between this launch and last years 360 launch?

Sure more families are involved and girlfriends are involved but they probably none of them will buy one.

Also families were involved last year with stories of soccer moms loving up Xbox Live Arcade.

I guess I don't see this as a big deal like a lot of you Nintendo folks. I just think it is a normal launch with more consoles and christmas hype.

I really don't think there is a long term impact from all of this like there was with the DS and we already talked about why that was.

By the same token I could say MS is floundering right now. 500k their second November ... no market leading console has had that poor of a showing during that second November.

The Wii outsold the 360 handily since its come onto market. Sony's whole launch is a clusterf-ck and it will be like 2008 at best before they get to a true mass market price. Nintendo is already there. For the first time in 10 years, Sony is not no.1 in Japan in consoles.

The PS2 for reference destroyed the GCN and XBox for their launches. The 360 ... not even close. But then again, maybe you "PS3/XBox" folk just aren't used to being on the losing end when it comes to Nintendo.

 

[choc_cake]

I suppose Wii Sports outselling Zelda in Japan also is because hardcore rabid Nintendo fans just love ... tennis.

And of course Nintendogs selling 10 million units is all Nintendo faithful and people who are too retarded to hook up a game system to a television set.

It's a f-cking conspiracy! Wii am GC2!

The DS just sold 900,000 units for the holiday season in just one territory. I don't see that happening for the wii beyond the launches this year (in one single month and in one territory).

Sorry, I don't see it happening and don't be so angry dude, calm down.
I am not anti-Nintendo, I just don't see the world like you do.

You want to see Nintendo do well so bad that you are prepared to fight for it.

They don't want to waste their time to hook it up to a TV or can't. The DS is just instant gaming, take it out of the box and go.

 

[soundwave05]

The DS just sold 900,000 units for the holiday season in just one territory. I don't see that happening for the wii beyond the launches this year (in one single month and in one territory).

Sorry, I don't see it happening and don't be so angry dude, calm down.
I am not anti-Nintendo, I just don't see the world like you do.

You want to see Nintendo do well so bad that you are prepared to fight for it.

They don't want to waste their time to hook it up to a TV or can't. The DS is just instant gaming, take it out of the box and go.

That's funny, because the Wii's sell rate per day is actually higher than the DS' for the month of November.

If they had 900,000 Wiis they definitely would have sold them.

I don't have to fight for anything .... Nintendo's numbers speak for themselves. There's a lot of people on these boards that are eating crow now and don't like the taste. The main thing I disagree with is the GameCube analogies. The circumstances now and fall 2001 are vastly different.

 

[Deku]

But wii was launching so there's an element of pent up demand for the product, the DS was just cruising even higher into the stratosphere.

Predicting future sales is hard, my problem with choc's argument and its not only choc making them on GAF is that it's really not based on facts but a belief that Wii is not going to do well.

You know, he may be right, but that doesn't make his arguments any stronger.
I actually have a fairly lengthy rebuttal to this DS =! Wii ordeal we have to suffer through in almost every Wii thread. But i need to find time to write type it out and proof it.

 

[choc_cake]

By the same token I could say MS is floundering right now. 500k their second November ... no market leading console has had that poor of a showing during that second November.

The Wii outsold the 360 handily since its come onto market. Sony's whole launch is a clusterf-ck and it will be like 2008 at best before they get to a true mass market price. Nintendo is already there. For the first time in 10 years, Sony is not no.1 in Japan in consoles.

The PS2 for reference destroyed the GCN and XBox for their launches. The 360 ... not even close. But then again, maybe you "PS3/XBox" folk just aren't used to being on the losing end when it comes to Nintendo.

You are talking way over your head here. The Xbox 360 is $400 and it isn't the big thing this year and it is still selling like crazy. The PS3 is having problems because they can't supply enough units if they were able to they would do fine against the wii.

See when you say stuff like this "The Wii outsold the 360 handily since its come onto market", this is why I want people to understand why I am repeating myself all the time on this thread. You are not listening.

When Nintendo surpasses the Xbox 360 sales with the wii then you will have something, right now a million unit launch for the Christmas season means nothing.

The Xbox 360 has over 10 million sold by Christmas.

When that price drop comes for the 360 how are wii sales going to keep up?
When the drought of wii softare comes, how is it going to keep up with the 360?
When the novelty wears off and people get tired of the wii-mote and bad graphics what happens then?
What happens when online is more fun than playing by yourself?

There are more questions here but you can't answer them at the moment.
Stop saying that you can and relax.

 

[soundwave05]

You are talking way over your head here. The Xbox 360 is $400 and it isn't the big thing this year and it is still selling like crazy. The PS3 is having problems because they can't supply enough units if they were able to they would do fine against the wii.

See when you say stuff like this "The Wii outsold the 360 handily since its come onto market", this is why I want people to understand why I am repeating myself all the time on this thread. You are not listening.

When Nintendo surpasses the Xbox 360 sales with the wii then you will have something, right now a million unit launch for the Christmas season means nothing.

The Xbox 360 has over 10 million sold by Christmas.

When that price drop comes for the 360 how are wii sales going to keep up?
When the drought of wii softare comes, how is it going to keep up with the 360?
When the novelty wears off and people get tired of the wii-mote and bad graphics what happens then?
What happens when online is more fun than playing by yourself?

There are more questions here but you can't answer them at the moment.
Stop saying that you can and relax.

500k for November is not "selling like crazy". For the entire year it's tracking actually only a bit higher than the XBox 1 at the same point in its lifecycle. This is no where *close* to the PS2 at the same point (Nov. 2001).

Their sales are a no-go in Japan and so-so in Europe at best.

Anyone can ship 10 million systems, hell even Sega did that. If Sony could have manufactured 600k PS3s and Nintendo just a little more Wii stock .... the 360 very easily could have been no.3 for the November NPD.

See how easy it is to play that game? LOL ... you really think Nintendo can't drop their price just as easily as MSFT? They're sitting on a $50 premium on each console as is.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

When that price drop comes for the 360 how are wii sales going to keep up?
When the drought of wii softare comes, how is it going to keep up with the 360?
When the novelty wears off and people get tired of the wii-mote and bad graphics what happens then?
What happens when online is more fun than playing by yourself?

point 3 is the best and most well informed.

 

[choc_cake]

But wii was launching so there's an element of pent up demand for the product, the DS was just cruising even higher into the stratosphere.

Predicting future sales is hard, my problem with choc's argument and its not only choc making them on GAF is that it's really not based on facts but a belief that Wii is not going to do well.

You know, he may be right, but that doesn't make his arguments any stronger.
I actually have a fairly lengthy rebuttal to this DS =! Wii ordeal we have to suffer through in almost every Wii thread. But i need to find time to write type it out and proof it.

So there is facts based on the counter point as well? That is news to me.

This is what blows my mind about Nintendo fans. They say that I have a belief of the wii not doing well and that now they actually have facts of the opposite. Which are really not facts at all, but yet again a belief that it will do well in the future.

It does not make your arguments stronger other than you want it to do better.

Wanting something to do well does not mean that it will do well.

 

[Deku]

So there is facts based on the counter point as well? That is news to me.

This is what blows my mind about Nintendo fans. They say that I have a belief of the wii not doing well and that now they actually have facts of the opposite. Which are really not facts at all, but yet again a belief that it will do well in the future.

It does not make your arguments stronger other than you want it to do better.

Wanting something to do well does not mean that it will do well.

I'm saying your argument is weak because its premises are flimsy. not even calling you names.

hey, why dont you come up with a better argument. maybe?

 

[AniHawk]

So there is facts based on the counter point as well? That is news to me.

This is what blows my mind about Nintendo fans. They say that I have a belief of the wii not doing well and that now they actually have facts of the opposite. Which are really not facts at all, but yet again a belief that it will do well in the future.

It does not make your arguments stronger other than you want it to do better.

Wanting something to do well does not mean that it will do well.

Go home.

 

[choc_cake]

I'm saying your argument is weak because its premises are flimsy. not even calling you names.

hey, why dont you come up with a better argument. maybe?

Well I have not heard any counter points from you to even make an arguement.
"My dad played a wii last night so it must be selling like crazy!", doesn't really make for much of anything except a Nintendo fan's excitment.

 

[Linkup]

point 3 is the best and most well informed.

No 4 was, I think I will hate single player gaming next year.

 

[AniHawk]

Well I have not heard any counter points from you to even make an arguement.
"My dad played a wii last night so it must be selling like crazy!", doesn't really make for much of anything except a Nintendo fan's excitment.

Go home.

 

[soundwave05]

Well I have not heard any counter points from you to even make an arguement.
"My dad played a wii last night so it must be selling like crazy!", doesn't really make for much of anything except a Nintendo fan's excitment.

Can you at least bring yourself to admit the system by design and by its nature is likely to elicit a stronger reaction from non-gamers than any of the other availible game consoles? :lol

And btw ... 1 million is old news. By the end of this weekend Nintendo will be well past 2 million most likely with secondary shipments hitting Japan and US, and Europe coming on board too.

 

[choc_cake]

No 4 was, I think I will hate single player gaming next year.

My hands are tired from typing on this wireless keyboard.

My point was that most Nintendo games are going to be offline and not online (yes even later on in 2007).

So the online aspect isn't much better than the gamecube at this point. That was my point.

 

[AniHawk]

My hands are tired from typing on this wireless keyboard.

My point was that most Nintendo games are going to be offline and not online (yes even later on in 2007).

So the online aspect isn't much better than the gamecube at this point. That was my point.

The Cardinals suck. Jim Edmonds was a better Angel than he ever was a Card.

 

[PantherLotus]

My hands are tired from typing on this wireless keyboard.

My point was that most Nintendo games are going to be offline and not online (yes even later on in 2007).

So the online aspect isn't much better than the gamecube at this point. That was my point.

KC beat the Cards in the World Series in 85. THE ROYALS!

 

[Linkup]

My hands are tired from typing on this wireless keyboard.

My point was that most Nintendo games are going to be offline and not online (yes even later on in 2007).

So the online aspect isn't much better than the gamecube at this point. That was my point.

Really think the non-gamer cares about online? Think they care about any of the other 3 points? That's not even funny.

 

[choc_cake]

Can you at least bring yourself to admit the system by design and by its nature is likely to elicit a stronger reaction from non-gamers than any of the other availible game consoles? :lol

And btw ... 1 million is old news. By the end of this weekend Nintendo will be well past 2 million most likely with secondary shipments hitting Japan and US, and Europe coming on board too.

I already said that. non gamers will have fun with it, but they have a less chance of really buying the thing.

My mother in-law is a non gamer for example and she has played with the wii at the mall, but she will not buy it because while it is fun, it is something that would be great for parties she said. I bet there are a lot more of those people out there.

Of course the wii is going to be easier to control than that of the 360 or the PS3, you don't have to be a moron to understand that. However, this does not always equal sales. In fact sales to non gamers are a minority with the wii.

I am saying the DS is what the non-gamer will buy and not really the wii. Even though the wii has non-games, simple games, and mini games (the DS has these already) and easier gameplay with the wii-mote than the other two consoles.

The wii is just more involved and costs alot more than that of the DS.

My hands are getting tired now so I am going to stop posting.

 

[choc_cake]

KC beat the Cards in the World Series in 85. THE ROYALS!

It really doesn't matter as the Cards are the world series champions of 2006 and the KC is the dump of the midwest as far as baseball goes.

 

[soundwave05]

I already said that. non gamers will have fun with it, but they have a less chance of really buying the thing.

My mother in-law is a non gamer for example and she has played with the wii at the mall, but she will not buy it because while it is fun, it is something that would be great for parties she said. I bet there are a lot more of those people out there.

Of course the wii is going to be easier to control than that of the 360 or the PS3, you don't have to be a moron to understand that. However, this does not always equal sales. In fact sales to non gamers are a minority with the wii.

I am saying the DS is what the non-gamer will buy and not really the wii. Even though the wii has non-games, simple games, and mini games (the DS has these already) and easier gameplay with the wii-mote than the other two consoles.

The wii is just more involved and costs alot more than that of the DS.

My hands are getting tired now so I am going to stop posting.

Fine by me. The current numbers and the rapid rate of sales for Nintendo's machine don't really do a lot to support your claims though. You also have pretty rose colored glasses it would seem when it comes to the 360.

You may like HD and online play .... but a lot of people quite frankly don't give a crap. Otherwise 360 sales should be a lot higher themselves. So everyone has their own biases, yours have come out in this thread too.

 

[choc_cake]

The Cardinals suck. Jim Edmonds was a better Angel than he ever was a Card.

It doesn't really matter. The Cards have Albert pujols, the angeles have....?

 

[choc_cake]

Really think the non-gamer cares about online? Think they care about any of the other 3 points? That's not even funny.

The non-gamer has a DS and does not care about the wii as much.

 

[AniHawk]

It doesn't really matter. The Cards have Albert pujols, the angeles have....?

Talent.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

The non-gamer has a DS and does not care about the wii as much.

The DS is successful, but not that successful. The progress that it has made with non-gamers doesn't even scratch the surface of the untapped market.

How do you expect to "debate" with people when all your posts are either incorrect, wild guesses, or terrible assumptions?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Lower price than the other two + the number of wii's available because it is older hardware and easy to manufacture + Christmas hype = sales.

It is really not that hard kids.

Well, sure. Does that mean they don't get any credit for making design decisions such that their hardware isn't expensive and hard to produce? If such decisions help them gain a foothold of several million more sales than PS3 in its first few months, that alone will have long-term repercussions, even if future hardware sales diminish considerably.

 

[Jiggy]

Retro gaming? I can already do that without the wii, anyone can really.

Funny thing being that, you know, they don't.

The VC is the least impressive thing about the wii in my opinion. I agree with Scoot (Luke from 1up), you are just basically buying the same games you bought over and over and over again.

Well, that's odd. I don't recall ever buying a Genesis or TG-16 game.

Not everybody is like Luke (or apparently you) and buys everything they're remotely interested in, due to financial barriers or psychological injunctions or whatever else that happens to prevent them from doing so. They actually miss cool stuff the first time around, sometimes.

The non-gamer has a DS and does not care about the wii as much.

Except for those tiny, really marginal markets of non-gamers who don't like the idea of playing on a small screen, and non-gamers who want fuller body movement rather than point-and-click and tracing functionality, and non-gamers who view portable systems as being for kids, and...

 

[soundwave05]

Well, sure. Does that mean they don't get any credit for making design decisions such that their hardware isn't expensive and hard to produce? If such decisions help them gain a foothold of several million more sales than PS3 in its first few months, that alone will have long-term repercussions, even if future hardware sales diminish considerably.

Yeah ... but ... but ... it's only because the system is $250. I love how some people are so friggin' proud that they can't bring themselves to even acknowledge the controller might have something to do with the systems appeal.

I love all the excuses about the 360 too. Oh but it's too expensive (really? is the Core pack somehow sold out? Are all those PS2 gamers who naturally want MS' new machine because y'know it's totally space marined suddenly allergic to memory cards?). That sounds a lot more like the excuses I heard for the GameCube.

The Christmas craze sure sold out the GameCube last year at $99.99. I sure remember having to wait in line at checkout for a GameCube for 20 seconds. It was freaking insane I tell you.

 

[choc_cake]

Talent.

So why were they not even in the playoffs this past year if they have talent.

 

[AniHawk]

So why were they not even in the playoffs this past year if they have talent.

Because their talent was so powerful they thought the Cards could use it for a win this year.

You should be thanking them.

 

[choc_cake]

Yeah ... but ... but ... it's only because the system is $250. I love how some people are so friggin' proud that they can't bring themselves to even acknowledge the controller might have something to do with the systems appeal.

I love all the excuses about the 360 too. Oh but it's too expensive (really? is the Core pack somehow sold out? Are all those PS2 gamers who naturally want MS' new machine because y'know it's totally space marined suddenly allergic to memory cards?). That sounds a lot more like the excuses I heard for the GameCube.

The Christmas craze sure sold out the GameCube last year at $99.99.

I never discounted the controller, but is it going to be a novelty that wears off or is it a gift that keeps on giving. I say the former because of the software content coming.

 

[Linkup]

I never discounted the controller, but is it going to be a novelty that wears off or is it a gift that keeps on giving. I say the former because of the software content coming.

Really?

Edit:
I was pointing out how you just said you thought the controller would be a novelty and that you didn't discount it, but the problem is you said those things in the same post contradicting yourself. Unless your saying the novelty somehow makes the controller a viable control option.

 

[choc_cake]

Really?

He is talking about the controller leading to sales of the console. So yes.

 

[soundwave05]

I never discounted the controller, but is it going to be a novelty that wears off or is it a gift that keeps on giving. I say the former because of the software content coming.

That's where your personal biases blind you.

I don't like games like Nintendogs. However unlike a lot of people I did not dismiss that game simply because it was "stupid pet sim". Anyone with an understanding of a broader demographic outside of the one that exists on this forum could see the potential in that product.

You may look at Wario Ware Smooth Moves and say "oh it's a gimmick". But really, the best thing Nintendo can do right now is get more games like that out. Those are really being well recieved and doing exactly what Nintendo wants.

What you want is not neccessarily what the entire market wants. While you hardcore gamers were yelling "gimmick, gimmick" all last year, Nintendo was ringing up cash registers and leaving the "made for GAF" PSP eating its dust. I happen to think Nintendo is on to something here, and Brain Training/Nintendogs/Wii Sports etc. is only the tip of the iceberg.

I'll make a prediction right now ... the killer app for the Wii may not even be a traditional on-disc game. It could very easily be a Wii Channel, like the Mii Channel. And I think Nintendo knows it. The controller changes all the rules and stigmas against a game console. Remember all the "Wii Channel" trademarks Nintendo made last year (Wii Beauty, Wii Fitness, etc. etc. etc.). I think idea of "channels" itself might become a killer application.

 

[KingOfF00LS]

When that price drop comes for the 360 how are wii sales going to keep up?
When the drought of wii softare comes, how is it going to keep up with the 360?
When the novelty wears off and people get tired of the wii-mote and bad graphics what happens then?
What happens when online is more fun than playing by yourself?

I'm generally only a reader here due to the fact that while I like playing games, the majority of people on a site like this aren't really in touch with a normal gamer. That's not to be taken as an insult....this is a big hobby for some and it's to be expected they'll take it more seriously than someone like me. I only say this to explain why I read here often, but post little because of the difference in a game to me as compared to a "hardcore" gamer.

I wanted to comment on this, though, because it's one of those rare times where the more serious gamers seem to be "getting it" about what people like me are looking for, and you, quite frankly, don't.

I don't have scientific studies behind me to back this up so all I can go on is my personal experience. And what we want is games that are easy to get into and fun. The entire game doesn't have to be easy, just easy to get into. Big difference there.

About graphics, while nice looking pictures are important it's never going to compete with what we're really looking for. It's why we might see something and initially think holy cow this thing is incredible but after playing around with it once our interest dwindles quickly. So many of these things have their value tied up in how realistic it looks and somewhere along the way forgot to include anything that really grabs us and holds on. Plus so many of these things have such horridly complicated control schemes that it feels more like work than leisure to many of us. Maybe, to you, saying things like that makes those of us like me impure gamers but it's how we feel.

We remember how much fun we had playing Super Mario brothers, Legend of Zelda, Tecmo-bowl, and others. How many buttons did those games require? How hard was it to learn to play those games?

People like me aren't going to spend $600 on a video game console. We're very unlikely to spend $400 on it too, to be honest, unless we see something on it that looks pick up and play inviting to us. We don't see it with the PS3 or the X360. Those are great consoles, don't get me wrong, and I'll probably end up buying at least one of them eventually when the price comes down. But for now when I look at them all I see are console shooters, fighting, and sports games.

When I think about the Wii I think about the games I used to play. I see Wii sports and remember what it was like to be able to just pick up a game and have fun with it. Not complicated fun, just fun. Does that make sense?

I'll tell you this much, too....my wife has specifically said she wants a Wii. She's specifically said she doesn't want a PS3 or X360 (and cost is definitely part of that). I will have a Wii as soon as I can bloody find one, but I'm doubting a PS3 any time soon...I just hope for a major, major price reduction by the time Final Fantasy XIII comes out.

(Sorry for not proof-reading this reply. It's kind of a stream of consciousness thing.)

 

[JonathanEx]

I have an official number for the first 12 hours in the UK. Want it?

 

[Schattenjäger]

wow choc_cake comes across as being a 12 year old for some reason..

regardless, you write as if gamecube was a major failure or something...it was still the most profitable console..

and at this point, we can safely say wii will do better than gamecube.. meaning wii will be a success regardless of how many systems are sold..
you talk all this nonsense, but probably have never even played the wii..

face it, not everyone cares about graphics and physics.. most important thing is fun..

and the wii is the most fun of all consoles (even sony admitted that)

why not troll on faqs instead.. you have a better shot there