PdotMichael
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Well, the Playstation 4 sold more software in FY2015 than the WiiU. So well... that wouldn't really help the WiiU.
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Wii U has sold 3 million in Japan
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Well, the Playstation 4 sold more software in FY2015 than the WiiU. So well... that wouldn't really help the WiiU.
You are way to focused on "PS4 is doing better!!!!".
He didn't say otherwise. He only said that would be a better metric to compare the two.
PdotMichael
Banned
It's not even a better metric. Profit would be.
It's a better metric in his opinion. If profit is a better metric then show him or others how much Sony made with the PS4 and how much Nintendo made with the Wii U.
Again, it's ~45%. Not 33%.
oh okay thanks for clarification. Splats has potential to become one of their biggest franchises would probably destroy if available on handheld
Jack The Nipper
Banned
is this the worst selling console for nintendo ever?
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Correct.
PdotMichael
Banned
Why should I care?
If you maybe read that sub discussion again it was about the discussion that the Playstation lacks the software hit factor called Splatoon, when in reality the software sales for the Playstation 4 are already ahead of the WiiU in FY15 and the gap will rather get bigger than smaller with all the incoming larger titles.
geordiemp
Member
Well if they want to shoot things in 3D PVP there are allot of options.........????????
If there was only 1 shooter on PS4 or Xb1 then they would also have higher attach rates.
I'm pretty sure that discussion was about whether there is a PS4 game that could have the same kind of effect Splatoon had on hardware, but on a larger scale and not about overall software sales.
Do you know if actually there is the same situation?
I know that now there is the new bundle Wii U + MK8 + Splatoon
Call of Duty Black Ops II.
Technically the Color TV-Game systems sold less, but that was Japan only thus sold rather well considering.
velvet_nitemare
Member
Facts only.
The Hermit
Member
the little console that could
I kid. I love my WiiU, Tropical Freeze, Xenoblade, MK8 and Smash are amog the best games in the Nintendo library
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I kid. I love my WiiU, Tropical Freeze, Xenoblade, MK8 and Smash are amog the best games in the Nintendo library
Bioshocker
Member
Given the fact that the PS3 has sold over 10 million it is weak. But since we've come to expect much lower levels from the Wii U, it's actually doing OK in Japan. Just not anywhere else.
Oh they're there. Aligned with the y axis.
openrob
Member
I think this is interesting.
The PS4 is selling truckloads in the West, but outside that everything is pretty bad.
Wii U at ~11 million
Xbox One at ~14 million (or something like that)
PS4 at ~36 million, but Wii U outselling PS4 in Japan.
If the PS4 stayed at XB1 numbers in the West, I think that it would be significant for console gaming in the long run.
The PS4 is selling truckloads in the West, but outside that everything is pretty bad.
Wii U at ~11 million
Xbox One at ~14 million (or something like that)
PS4 at ~36 million, but Wii U outselling PS4 in Japan.
If the PS4 stayed at XB1 numbers in the West, I think that it would be significant for console gaming in the long run.
Simbabbad
Member
As already said several times, it's around PS4 sales.
Glad you said it for me :x
the thoroughbred
Member
Wow, that attach rate is made. Splatoon's performance just makes it even more incredible given the WiiU only sold 3 mill.
Those are both wrong, especially XB1.
Yep, don't have numbers for XB1 but Nintendo's official numbers: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/ show 10.73 million at the end of September last year. Japan's December numbers alone put it over 11 million right now, it is probably sitting somewhere around 12 - 12.5 million atm. XB1 is probably closer to 18 million after the holiday, but again I don't have exact numbers so +- 1 million. (They would have probably announced hitting 20 million sold.)
MarkMclovin
Member
Such a good system and has this gens best games too. Such a shame.
We know XB1 is at least >17.7m shipped, since is over the 360 launch allinied. Yeah, there is no way for know the numbers, i agree should be around 18m sold.
Wii U too, probabily 12m-12.5m sold ( with around 12.7-13m shipped)
geordiemp
Member
Call of Duty Black Ops II.
There you go, Bo2 came out initially November 2012. Ps its 2016..
Primethius
Banned
It's more like it's selling everywhere except Japan.
Where it's picking up steam compared to last year but still pulling numbers that aren't that great.
Clinton514
Member
N needs to stop peddling trash consoles and just being plain stupid with their decisions for their future tech.
And no I don't care about handhelds.
And no I don't care about handhelds.
kitchenmotors
Banned
I'm not sure why people are arguing or doubting you on this subject of Japanese sales. Obviously people in this thread never step foot inside a Japanese sales thread but know better just because.
With the poor state of the console market in Japan, this is more-or-less a Pyrrhic victory. Being the best-seller when almost nobody is buying isn't that exciting.
A small profit is as good as no profit to some people, and I'm sure plenty of shareholders aren't thrilled when that is the case. Ultimately, assumptions aren't helpful, but I think it would be safe to say Nintendo is disappointed.
The hardest part about any sort of debate on this situation comes from things being left open to interpretation just enough that both sides feel boltered by logic and facts, because it is possible to say "I'm right" on either side depending on how you look at it. Part of it with some is seeing what they want to believe, whether they realize it ir not.
I toughed it out with my Dreamcast, and I will certainly do the same again with my Wii U. All I am hoping for is a strong 2016 line-up and the GCN F-Zero ending up in the VC.
My point being with all this? We can't directly control the Wii U's future, so have fun with it for now and don't worry.
A small profit is as good as no profit to some people, and I'm sure plenty of shareholders aren't thrilled when that is the case. Ultimately, assumptions aren't helpful, but I think it would be safe to say Nintendo is disappointed.
The hardest part about any sort of debate on this situation comes from things being left open to interpretation just enough that both sides feel boltered by logic and facts, because it is possible to say "I'm right" on either side depending on how you look at it. Part of it with some is seeing what they want to believe, whether they realize it ir not.
I toughed it out with my Dreamcast, and I will certainly do the same again with my Wii U. All I am hoping for is a strong 2016 line-up and the GCN F-Zero ending up in the VC.
My point being with all this? We can't directly control the Wii U's future, so have fun with it for now and don't worry.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
But the console version is a completely different game, isn't it?
Gaiaknight
Member
Thats just amazing Nintendo hit a goldmine with splatoon and honestly they need to jump on it big time with merchandise in japan.
Pennywise83
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Splatoon could have easily been a 3.5m-seller on Wii in Japan.
Arkam
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Trash consoles? Have you played a WiiU? It is fantastic. Sure not as "powerful" as PS4/X1 but the games are fun and they look great. What else is a game machine suppose to do?
It's the same story, characters, etc. are the same between the 2 platforms. [Source: http://www.wired.com/2015/07/dragon-quest-xi-ps4-nx-3ds/] Of course the graphics will be different but if DQ9 proved anything, this is not a series sold on bleeding edge graphics.
Win pissing contests apparently.
The Abominable Snowman
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The software is good, the hardware is terrible. That's what he's saying. But that's for another thread.
Thats a great strategy. Just nailed it.
foxuzamaki
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Uhh are you saying splatoon only sold lIke it did in japan because of the lack of shooters on the console.....in japan?
What is going on in this thread?
-Thread was made with a single data pint
-Many people used this to laugh at Nintendo and it's garbage hardware
-It was pointed out that PS4 still hasn't outsold the WiiU (Victory?)
-Worldwide data gets posted so LOLs can continue
-Sales age GAF bring in actual numbers.
-Sales age GAF labeled as a last refuge for Nintendo fans clinging at straws.
-Nintendo defenders desperately bring in Splatoon
-Sony fans downplay it's sales
-NUMBERS are thrown around (both accurate and BS)
-Dragon Quest gets pulled into the fight against it's will
-Nintendo hardware is called garbage again
-Possibly an argument that Splatoon only did well because of Japanese thirst for WiiU shooters??!
The usual.
What do you consider negligible? I think you are letting yourself get sucked into the same trap people got sucked into with the PS3 HW sales in Japan in 2007 or so. Continued support for the next several years is going to make a big difference. PS4 will most probably end up down over the PS3 in Japan, but it will easily pass 6M.
EDIT: PS3 was sitting at 2.63M at the end of week 52 in 2008 according to Media Create. PS4 is less than 350k behind that with 3 fewer months on the market.
I try not to say anything too interesting on GAF anymore because we know where that leads, but I feel like this thread could use a bit of context:
Top 10 bestsellers in Japan in 2015:
1. Monster Hunter X (3DS) - 2,108,110 units
2. Yokai Watch Busters (3DS) - 1,761,342
3. Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer (3DS) - 1,181,591
4. Splatoon (Wii U) - 889,773
5. Dragon Quest VIII (3DS) - 859,151
6. Fire Emblem Fates (3DS) - 537,138
7. Rhythm Heaven: The Best Plus (3DS) - 526,500
8. Super Mario Maker (Wii U) - 496,106
9. Dragon Quest Heroes (PS3) - 456,195
10. The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask 3D (3DS) - 447,103
Best PS4 entry was No. 11 Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain at 419,620 units.
Top 10 bestsellers in Japan in 2015:
1. Monster Hunter X (3DS) - 2,108,110 units
2. Yokai Watch Busters (3DS) - 1,761,342
3. Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer (3DS) - 1,181,591
4. Splatoon (Wii U) - 889,773
5. Dragon Quest VIII (3DS) - 859,151
6. Fire Emblem Fates (3DS) - 537,138
7. Rhythm Heaven: The Best Plus (3DS) - 526,500
8. Super Mario Maker (Wii U) - 496,106
9. Dragon Quest Heroes (PS3) - 456,195
10. The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask 3D (3DS) - 447,103
Best PS4 entry was No. 11 Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain at 419,620 units.
Nintendo software has always been extremely top heavy though. Total software sales are a better metric.
EDIT: Obviously 3DS is way ahead by any measure.
That chart Kotaku posted was up until on December 13, 2015, pretty much missing the biggest sales weeks of the year.
I don't agree entirely. A number of games came out on the PS4 in Japan last year, flopped and disappeared from the charts quickly. They likely didn't turn a profit in Japan and likely didn't draw interest to the system, but they'd all together count for quite a bit in terms of total software sales.
I'm not saying a top 10 list is right and total sales is wrong though, I just knew that list was at hand and illustrative of the Japanese market: which is to say Nintendo isn't getting creamed with the Wii U, but the market as a whole is in sorry shape and the damage may well be long since done there.
I think you and I both know though that the real reason the Wii U isn't setting Japan on fire is the lack of EVO on the Virtual Console.
The Kotaku chart was from Famitsu, so different data. But by all means I'm fine with the Media Create numbers as well.
SOFTWARE: Dengeki
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| Model | This Week | Week (%) | FY 2015 | FY (%) |
+-------+-----------+----------+------------+---------+
| 3DS | 1.100.862 | 59.80% | 14.909.067 | 54.30% |
| Wii U | 336.969 | 18.30% | 3.107.762 | 11.30% |
| Vita | 225.991 | 12.30% | 3.735.250 | 13.60% |
| PS4 | 128.884 | 7.00% | 3.478.449 | 12.70% |
| PS3 | 45.661 | 2.50% | 2.045.157 | 7.40% |
| PSP | 1.683 | 0.10% | 123.916 | 0.50% |
| XB1 | 1.172 | 0.10% | 64.796 | 0.20% |
+-------+-----------+----------+------------+---------+
| Total | 1.841.222 | 100.00% | 27.464.397 | 100.00% |
+-------+-----------+----------+------------+---------+After the 3DS, there isn't much of a difference (or relevance). (And then you realize how few games the WiiU has had even launch.)
That's the problem. There are a lot of normal weeks where the PS4 was trading blows in software with the Wii U... and losing. Even when the Wii U had no new releases for a month. Which on those weeks meant all the recent PS4 (and often Vita as well) releases ≈ Splatoon + Mario Maker.
This has always been the issue with Nintendo home consoles (at least over the past 2 decades).
I know Dengeki and Media-Create don't line up perfectly, but we basically have Splatoon, Mario Maker, and Holdover MK8 + Smash sales accounting for 75%+ of the Wii U's annual software in 2015.
PS4 software might not be all that much better, but it's spread between a ton of things. This allows a larger number of franchises to carve out niches on the system, which leads to more games in future years.
Look at the Wii and the PS2 globally. If we combined their libraries, I think the top 10 (by reported shipments) works out to 7-8 Wii games, vs 2-3 PS2 games. Meanwhile the PS2 sold over 600M more units of software (~900M vs 1.5B+), and stayed relevant for a good 8-9 years vs 5 years. The trend was even more pronounced in Japan, I believe. I'd have to check, but I think only Dragon Quest 8 and Final Fantasy X would make a Japanese PS2 + Wii combined top 10, but the PS2 obliterated the Wii by pretty much any other metric.