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Wii U Virtual Console - News and Releases
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BengaBenga
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Fire Emblem (GBA) was released in EU end August!
No. Don't expect any news about it until the Monday before its release. Maybe a rating could pop up earlier but that wouldn't tell you much about its release date either.
evilromero
Member
If Nintendo wants to run interference on the Wii U's sparse software line-up, then they need to get N64 on the VC sooner rather than later.
Agreed, but, I think that'd fall on deaf ears at NOA, bro. The Wii U software lineup was far more barren in 2013 or even 2014 than it will presumably be in 2015. If they didn't make the VC happen then, I don't think it will any more so this coming year.
I can't believe getting their first party titles over from the N64 and Cube would require much effort from a small core team of 5 or 7 people. There is no heavy development necessary; just some light recoding and QC testing. There's only around 50 Nintendo published titles on the N64 and Cube each.
If they could get out 2 titles a week (1 N64 and 1 Cube), they could have the entire 1-party catalog released within a year.
If they could get out 2 titles a week (1 N64 and 1 Cube), they could have the entire 1-party catalog released within a year.
Fox Mulder
Member
They don't really care apparently. Maybe they have numbers showing how poorly it does.
I doubt the VC will ever match the variety and support it had on the Wii.
I doubt the VC will ever match the variety and support it had on the Wii.
Uh not to be a total jerk but really? really dude?
I agree that Wii had a better VC but that didn't really happen until like 2008, and you shouldn't use the hyperbole, considering WIi came out in 2006, not 2004.
Clearly Nintendo doesn't have the install base or an incentive program to make the investment in VC games worth while. Companies would rather put that stuff on mobile now.
I also clearly think that the retro market isn't as big as we all think it is.
Reggie confirmed NA is by a wide margin the biggest VC market. So why do we have nearly half the content Japan does?
There's still plenty of time to make a new one. They do have a new model for the dog and ducks now.
Ice Climbers had new models for Smash and we didn't get a new Ice Climbers game. Same for those Earthbound characters.
Why do you want Mario Advance 4 when Mario Bros. 3 is already on the eshop?
As for Metroid Zero Mission.....yes I have a frothing demand for this game. Frothing.
Does Mother 3 count?
Ehh, I can see a 50/50 chance of a new Duck Hunt game. Probably in 2016 if it actually happens.
BTW, where in the FLYING HELL IS DONKEY KONG COUNTRY ALREADY?!?!?!
I always though it was strange that Nintendo didn't make a new Duck Hunt downloadable game for the Wii.
I want the enhancements Mario Advance 4 got , particularly the e-reader levels.
How would those work exactly? DLC?
sörine;145036252 said:
Honestly I wish I knew. There has to be a cost benefit there. Honestly I think the disconnect is between NCL and NOA, and their respective relationships with developers and publishers. So while NCL may get a long fine with Square Enix in Japan, perhaps that is not translating to other regions.
It is unfortunate that other companies NA branches dont see it as a potential money stream. And Honestly I wonder how much a lot of them would take in from a lot of games that would be potentially subject to the upgrade cost instead of full cost... Maybe that is the sticking point
Aaron Strife
Banned
Well Miyamoto said something about releasing Amiibo stuff in card form...
eReader coming back, baby! And they'll only release half of them in the US, locking out content for another generation.
I dunno. If you check the eShop charts on any given day, about half or more are going be VC titles. Duck Hunt is currently the #1 recent best seller overall. Freakin' Duck Hunt.
I do think that upgrade program is a sticking point. The Wii U fanbase is smaller and I don't think too many didn't have the original Wii VC games in question. Though maybe, as the eShop is a lot more user friendly than the Wii days. So either Sega (Genesis) and Konami (TG16) follow the upgrade program with their respective systems for not much revenue, or they don't allow upgrades & face a backlash. So for now they're doing nothing, maybe hoping Nintendo will hop in and offer a more attractive incentive.
And despite what I said about VC games always in the eShop charts, it needs to be clarified that CERTAIN games are selling a lot but most others aren't doing squat. Usually it's the big name Nintendo stuff (or Club Nintendo rewards) that are moving units. A price structure that doesn't require Crash N The Boys Street Challenge to be the same price as Mario 3 and Zelda is sorely required.
They are running low on NES and SNES games now though, but a few more NES ones have opened up thanks to Zapper support.
They need N64 in 2015
Drilbit777
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Also GC games on the virtual console would be great be but I'm thinking Nintendo will probably just end up saving the best GC titles as HD remasters like they did with WW.
I like your "they have to do something" logic, then I remembered the Wii reality -- they stopped supporting it with new content way too early. I remember thinking the early arcade games were going to be the sign of something great and it just fizzled right as it started.
Yep. That's probably why we're not getting N64 stuff either. Why sell Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Star Fox 64 for $10 when they're selling the remakes for $40. That reminds me, Sega has that 3DS Genesis line too. Boo-urns.
Sorine said:
Just wanted to address both of these again, because neither of them actually mean that the Retro market is actually big enough to justify the expenses of bringing old game out. Especially on such a low install base of a platform. Those people hours are better spent deployed on larger projects. At least, that's how big publishers operate.
Now I would love to see a small 2 or 3 person studio work out royalty type contracts with these pubs, take on all the overheard, but also get the majority of the benefit and crank out like 20 or 30 VC titles. The key again would be Nintendo somehow working out something on the Wii to WiiU upgrade people.
I mean, if I could have three or four programmers, that I could pay kind of low, ~60k to 80k a year and I could lock up all the licensing and contracts I might take that bet. Again I would need to really see what kind of sales those things get.
Hypothetical, say we got the contracts on some SNES VC games, all $7.99, all sell 25k units in NA, granted I think this really high.
So $199,750 in raw revenue each.
-30% for Nintendo's Eshop take -$59,925
Subtotal $139,825
Then take another ~50% for licensing and other royalty fees to the publishers and other holders. so -$99,875
leaves roughly $39,950 give or take bring home.
So 4 Software Engineers, at roughly $80k, which is kind of cheap, but better than Indie salaries on average I would wager, you would need $320,000 in total profit to pay your people. So you would need ~11 games. That is just to be able to pay your people, not including other business expenses.
Is that a feasible hypothetical? I don't know, but a lot of publishers don't see it that way. Honestly Nintendo themselves should have a porting team like this in house and they should just use their leveraging power to make deal since they could probably just operate the team off the 30% they take off eshop sales.
I will freely admit I am just taking wild guesses here, and honestly, I don't think that VC titles regularly hit the 25k mark in sales if ever.
You would probably do better to make similar deals and put the games on GOG or Steam to be honest.
charlequin
Banned
What the heck are three to four programmers doing here? VC is a ROM dump, the development effort required to support it is minimal.
Conor_Fool
Banned
Sigh. The fact that the top of this page is from early September is very telling...
Modifying the ROM or applying something that will trigger them to unlock.
They have done stuff like this with Mega Man Battle Network 2 in Japan (all link-only chips are automatically unlocked), so it's possible.
TheMoon
Member
GCN games never had an ounce of a chance to appear on Wii U.
Actually not at all. There have been a bunch of major releases since then. We're just talking about them in the Ninty Downloads thread.
TheMoon
Member
Grab a CC and play in Wii Mode.
I'm hoping they are just in there from the start.
Square-Enix's refusal to support the Virtual Console outside of Japan is just stupefying.
People expect those games to work 100% perfectly, which is why VC is not just a ROM dump. Which means you need testers/QA. And you also need developers. At least that's how a proper company would do it. Nintendo didn't have "THE" emulator on Wii, but every ROM had its own emulator, which was of course based on an emulator per console but with changes here and there. Which makes sense, because one little change somewhere could introduce some issue in another game. When you want to sell those games, you don't want the buyers feel as if they were playtesters.
Blame the legal situation for this. And Square of course.
At least you can still play it in Wii mode on Wii U.
terrisus
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terrisus
Member
Spoiler: If/when we eventually get Super Mario Advance 4,
we're not getting the e-reader levels at all
Conor_Fool
Banned
Meh, my point remains that there is a horrible selection of Virtual Console games. No N64 games on the VC in 2015 is completely ridiculous. I love my Wii U but the VC is just terrible.
Earthbound is cool though. Nice being able to play through that without worrying about my SNES cartridge save corrupting (which has happened too many times..)
I wouldn't be shocked , they gave us Donkey Kong 94 without the Super Game Boy Enhancements.
but is it? I mean look at the GBA VC games, those aren't just rom dumps.
There is some effort. So let's do one or two engineers.
The point I was making is that if it is so cheap to do, and money is so easy to make, then why the hell is no one doing it?
Nintendo should really get more companies to support VC. I mean, we only have Capcom and Konami really supporting VC.
Square has released nothing outside of Japan, and there are many gems (Terranigma for example) that would be amazing to have.
In any case, I hope N64 and DS happen sometime. I never owned a DS so there's many games to play there!
Square has released nothing outside of Japan, and there are many gems (Terranigma for example) that would be amazing to have.
In any case, I hope N64 and DS happen sometime. I never owned a DS so there's many games to play there!
The companies that should be doing it are more concerned with triple-A games on PS4 that they hope will sell three million copies, I guess. Low-hanging fruit just diverts attention away?