As are most things slightly more expensive--i.e. cheap laptops. >_>cvxfreak said:But how does your final point relate to the Wii? That means it'll have to compete with the PS2, but the way I see it, the PS2 isn't the Wii's worst enemy, it's the PS3's worst enemy. And the 360's and PSP's to boot.
EDIT: Well, actually, anything significantly cheaper than the PS3 is its worst enemy.
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Wii will cost less than 25,000 yen / $250
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OG_Original Gamer
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It would be easier to argue over the price of the console if we knew everything. We may get five free VC games on the console in storage at retail. Two wiimotes.
We don't enough to say a $250 price tag isn't justifiable, so lets wait and see.
We don't enough to say a $250 price tag isn't justifiable, so lets wait and see.
Though I can see why people would advocate a $99 price...Nintendo know they can sell the Wii at $250...and the market would bare it...atleast initially. Then obviously...a price drop is in order...to help pick up sales if they start to drop off but that's only when sales start to drop off.
Also price drops only happen in the console business when something is failing to impact. X-Box, GCN...etc...etc The PSP had done well enough...but not well enough to keep it's price tag at a level that is suitable to Sony's business plan...it's gone through many incremental adjustments...compared to Sony's console's and the trend they set for price drops the PSP looks like a floundering fish...
Though $250 is not a mainstream price it can be if the "Wii" becomes a hot item...and that's the point...Nintendo is banking on a DS Japan like explosion in interest...they are not counting on people to look at the Wii and think..."Oh look it's only a G3 at 733Mhz."
Price becomes a non-issue if...you really like the product...just like the $600 PS3 tag is but a drop in the oceon to some...
Also price drops only happen in the console business when something is failing to impact. X-Box, GCN...etc...etc The PSP had done well enough...but not well enough to keep it's price tag at a level that is suitable to Sony's business plan...it's gone through many incremental adjustments...compared to Sony's console's and the trend they set for price drops the PSP looks like a floundering fish...
Though $250 is not a mainstream price it can be if the "Wii" becomes a hot item...and that's the point...Nintendo is banking on a DS Japan like explosion in interest...they are not counting on people to look at the Wii and think..."Oh look it's only a G3 at 733Mhz."
Price becomes a non-issue if...you really like the product...just like the $600 PS3 tag is but a drop in the oceon to some...
NeonZ said:
Pokemon Colloseum & XD were closer to a replicate of a Pokemon Console the problem is that they were too short and they lacked random battles and you couldn't catch wild pokemon, save for a few in XD.
If Genius Sonority is gonna do a Wii version they need to make it 4 or 5 times longer add random battles, being able to catch wild pokemons & online quests and battles and being able to trade pokemons through the Wii24 connection.
Probably Genius Sonority is working on a Wii project right now , since they finished working on Pokemon Trozei.
NeonZ
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Emotions said:
Besides the online stuff, that would still lack many features of real pokemon games.
I don't know why it seems to hard... They should just look at the newest pokemon game and try to make a 3d game based on that. The structure of the GC's games just was too different from a real pokemon game, even though they were rpgs too.
gamergirly
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drohne said:
It's better to need Wii and know it then to need Wii and not know it
having somehow talked themselves into wanting gamecube turbos, nintendo fans have decided to talk me into wanting a gamecube turbo. look where a little laxity gets you with these people -- they're like aggressive panhandlers. or encyclopedia salesmen. or fratboys in rut. NO MEANS NO
guy, if you've reached a point where you can honestly care whether "genius sonority" is developing kenshin dragon quest on wii, i fail to see how you'll miss another couple brain cells.
this is the most loathsome part of a long gaf thread. the post-argument cuddling. it all started so innocently!
this is the most loathsome part of a long gaf thread. the post-argument cuddling. it all started so innocently!
JoshuaJSlone
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But though each main Dragon Quest game has had Horii/Toriyama/Sugiyama group working on it, different developers like Chunsoft and Level 5 have done the lower level stuff.Emotions said:
Kobun Heat
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Putting too much in the box would be a bit too confusing. I definitely don't think the classic controller is necessary, and I'm going back and forth on the two-controllers idea.
That said, a game is probably necessary if they want to attack the mass market: you should be able to buy one box and start playing immediately, no additional purchases required. Wii Sports is the best candidate so far, unless they're putting together a pack-in disc that features all those random mini-games that were shown off at E3.
And it won't be over $199. If it was $249 in the US, it would have to be well over 25,000 yen in Japan.
That said, a game is probably necessary if they want to attack the mass market: you should be able to buy one box and start playing immediately, no additional purchases required. Wii Sports is the best candidate so far, unless they're putting together a pack-in disc that features all those random mini-games that were shown off at E3.
And it won't be over $199. If it was $249 in the US, it would have to be well over 25,000 yen in Japan.
Kobun Heat
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Yeah, no. While I could certainly see Nintendo putting together a value pack later, there's no evidence at all to suggest that they'd go with multiple configurations for launch. That's hardly a money-saving tactic. I'm thinking $199, one controller, some form of game.neoanarch said:
One controller and a game for $199 would be nice but I'm hoping for something more along the lines of this:Kobun Heat said:
http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_game_commercial.asp?ID=1086
Kobun Heat said:
If they're truly trying to attack the mass market, then wouldn't two controllers be smart? It wouldn't make sense to detach the thing from the sort of social experience it needs to become in order to explode. Nobody really wants to sit there watching others play. That seems more important than anything else, as the 'game' could be a tech demo in anticipation that everyone who buys the system will buy one game anyway.
Kobun Heat
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You're thinking of "social experience" in terms of multiplayer games, but from what I can see, Nintendo is putting an equal or greater amount of emphasis on creating social gaming around single-player experiences. There's a reason why you only get a few swings of the bat in Baseball -- they're looking, ideally, at having a group of people gathered around the TV passing off the controller.Amir0x said:
Also, a second controller is such a lucrative moneymaker that I am not sure why they'd give them away -- the extra profit margin on a controller purchase is not a throwaway amount of money.
Kobun Heat said:
The word "Wii" loses effect if people ain't playin' together. Anyway, if it's just a bat swinging simulator one controller would work... but I think, over time, it's in there best interest to really expand the idea as best they could. Two controllers working together not only can be used as a game device (i.e., drums), but to expand the multiplayer options many times over. Multiplayer games that are just 'pass off to the next player' tend to not be as enjoyable in my experience.
Kobun Heat
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My contention is that this is just as applicable to a social experience that involves many people trying a single-player game.Amir0x said:
Well, yeah -- but it's hardly the case that not including a second controller in the box cuts off all possibility of simultaneous multiplayer gaming. And Tennis already goes up to four players, and Baseball has a pitching-batting mode. So clearly they aren't leaving two-player gaming behind.
Which is almost entirely irrelevant. I'm not talking about stuff like Wario Ware's pass-the-baton mode. I'm talking about different people standing around waiting to have a go at a single-player challenge and how that can be, and historically has been, as much of a "social experience" as multiplayer games.
At any rate, I'm not saying one is better than the other or that Nintendo somehow doesn't want two people playing on the Wii at the same time or anything you're suggesting. I'm saying that packing in a single controller with the console does not in and of itself do any significant harm to Nintendo's positioning of the Wii as a social entertainment device.
Kobun Heat said:
I've honestly not seen many games that lend themselves well to this thing. "Nobody" (which is just to say, most people) wants to sit around waiting for their 'turn' to play the next FPS, or the next adventure, or the next quiz game or cooking game or whatever Nintendo has in the mix. It just seems a bit counterproductive to the whole positioning.
Kobun Heat said:
I just gotta disagree. Although I think 'harm' is probably going to be pretty insignificant in any case, I just think it's a better strategy to add the two controllers to keep emphasizing these social aspect to the mainstream. It is far easier to emphasize that then passing a controller around to participate in a single player experience, imo.
Mike Works
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Why do you have over 20 stupid posts in a thread about the potential price of a console you have no interest in buying?drohne said:
I'm going to agree with Amirox on this one, as it strikes the that the Wii-sports package is built with multiplayer as the main focus, it would not make sense for Nintendo to bundle it with the system without a second controller in there as well. While Wii Golf could be played by passing around a single controller, Tennis strikes me as having little depth without a person to play against, ditto with Baseball (read the interview about how multiplayer will work). My guess is that Nintendo will either put out the basic console at /$199 with one controller or package it at $/249 with two and Wii Sports.
Kobun Heat
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Which is why a game of Tennis or Baseball takes a few minutes. It's a game design concept very similar to classic 80's arcade stuff -- you'd have people gathering around a Pac-Man machine, switching off every few. I am reasonably sure you are not old enough to remember this, however.Amir0x said:
And yet you have nothing substantial with which to back up your disagreement other than a vague feeling. I'm not saying that Nintendo will definitely not include two controllers with the Wii, I'm just pointing out some very real and verifiable facts that show that the other road is just as possible.
Mike Works said:
because they seemed clever when i was writing them? you know how it is: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3287132&postcount=362
Kobun Heat said:
You're reasonably wrong, in this case. I was still pretty young then, but videogames and the arcade scene was never foreign to me even back then.
Kobun Heat said:
I don't see how something as obvious as emphasizing the social structure of the system - which is FAR easier to emphasize with two controllers, as opposed to huddling around a TV set with a single controller taking turns - is "nothing substantial." I would think there's absolutely nothing more substantial then the image the system is trying to pass off.
Image now is practically one of Wii's best and newest features, what with the slick design and the 'disruptive' nature of the thing. And in this case, I'd say the image would be helped by constant focus on social multiplayer, which is better and easier to do with two controllers.
Alternatively, they could have only one... which as I said, won't do much if any harm. I just think it's a worse alternative.
Kobun Heat
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I'm quite aware of your contentions, but by "nothing substantial" I mean that you are not really coming forth with any facts or data to support your case. All you have is -- I've said this before, and then all you did was state it again -- your nebulous feeling that two controllers would be better.
Dragona Akehi
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For once, I agree with amir0x.
For once, I agree with amir0x.
Kobun Heat
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Which of my points do you disagree with -- the fact that controllers are such a lucrative source of revenue that Nintendo would be giving away quite a bit by adding it in the box for free (true), or the fact that games like Tennis and Baseball have been specifically designed so as to keep the single-player experience short and conducive to social gatherings (also true)?Dragona Akehi said:
I want a free controller, too. I'd rather play two-player Tennis than single-player Tennis, too. I'm pointing to things that are irrefutably true and, from this, drawing a conclusion as to what I think is a likely scenario.
ghostlyjoe
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Kobun Heat said:
One thing is clear: If you have multiple personalities, Wii is the way to go!
Dragona Akehi
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Kobun Heat said:
That Nintendo better damn well pack in two controllers, because it's more fun playing together than watching. (This coming from someone who is accustomed to playing and someone watch/vice versa). It's much more with what Nintendo is trying to "do".