OG_Original Gamer
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MK8 tracks just seem to be far to detailed to me. Rendering everything at 60fps, just has me trippin. Maybe if current gen had a kart racer that is comparable, I wouldn't be trippin.
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WiiU "Latte" GPU Die Photo - GPU Feature Set And Power Analysis
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ArchangelWest
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Yeah, as much as people would like closure, what's been proposed here doesn't completely explain what we're seeing in some of these games. Though Shin'en said it well. The system is very powerful, and works together perfectly. The latter part being most important if we're talking about a machine who's raw modern components make it only 2 times or so more powerful on paper than PS360.
Correct. High end PC unveiling... Vs the consoles.
Bayonetta 2, Smash and Mario Kart 8 looked beyond anything I've seen on the PS3/360 technically. I doubt you would consider anything released on the console graphically superior even if the devs themselves claimed it was, though(which they have many times)
Nothing can convince a person who wears tinted glasses.
That goes both ways ofcourse. Personally, i haven't seen anything really impressive in Smash Bros other than resolution and framerate. Other than that, it doesn't look leagues better than Brawl IMO.
X is the game that could have people fooled which "next-gen" platform it's being made for.
Refreshment.01
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We are listening, explain the technical aspects that are beyond what the PS3/Xbox360 generation was capable of.
True, though Flipper wasn't developed by ATI. It was made by ArtX.
Just as I've said for Retro's game, Project Cars and many others, do not look for it to in any way tell what the Wii U can do. Don't expect the Wii U version to even outperform the 360 version of Watchdogs, because it is more than likely going to be a port of it. Exepct to see another Batman: Arkham City, RE: Revelations comparison. The Wii U version will have a few enhancements if any at all and a ton of glitches and frame rate hiccups like every other bad port on the console.
I doubt Ubisoft is going to drop the money, time and effort needed to make all 6 versions of watch dogs look as good as possible. There will likely be two versions made, the 360 and PC/PS4/XboxOne version. The other consoles will get a ports of those 2. I expect the Wii U and PS3 to get inferior ports fo the 360 version and the PS4/XboxOne to get inferior ports of the PC version.
What goes both ways?
Ah, yes. How could I forget X. Though as I said, nothing can ever convince them. They were anti-Nintendo from the start on all fronts and made up their mind before they ever saw a picture. The fact that they focused solely on something as insignificant as less detailed background buildings from a singe game sequence that stay on the screen for all of 3 seconds do to you zooming past them while ignoring "everything" else makes that clear.
Me and the people in this thread who didn't come here with a predefined agenda are viewing this obejctively. No matter what any version looks or plays like, I'm going to get it for the PC because my PC is better than any console. Also, I'm using logical and rational comparisons. I've not seen any rabbid Wii U supporters in here. Only detractors who aim to derail progress in any positive direction. If there were then there would be three sides in this thread.
For example, take Bayonetta 1 compared to Bayonetta 2. We have the same level of effort and developement style being using in both situations. Bringing in a completely different game and from a competely different dev made in a completely different way like the people trying to defend the last gen console are doign will tell you nothing. It will make an argument that will go nowhere. There is no need for that in this situation since we have two built from the ground up games for 2 system from the same dev using the same amount of effort to compare. To try to bring in anything else is a fallacy. Just compare Bayonetta 1 on the 360 to what we have for Bayonetta 2 to gauge capability. I'm not compaing A1 to R-Alpha. I'm comparing A1 to A2.
Until the devs of Halo, God of War, Uncharted or any other game they want to pull out of their hat for comparison makes an exlcusive game from the ground up for the Wii U, then arguing using their games is mute.
They are clueless about what should be done to maximize their business. Hence Wii U sales.
I don't know why many people still comparing PS360 with wii U.
Sony all star royal battle PS3.
http://0.tqn.com/d/playstation/1/0/u/M/ReviewSS_8.png
Smash wii u.
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/erikkain/files/2013/06/WiiU_SmashBros_scrnC02_02_E3.jpg
Mod nation PS3
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RqFhu7CWo...4oo5PzJ4/s1600/Mod_Nation_God_of_war_kart.jpg
Mario Kart 8 Wii U.
http://www.cubed3.com/media/2013/June/WiiU_MarioKart8_scrn02_E3.jpg
How far is this difference here....!!
Sony all star royal battle PS3.
http://0.tqn.com/d/playstation/1/0/u/M/ReviewSS_8.png
Smash wii u.
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/erikkain/files/2013/06/WiiU_SmashBros_scrnC02_02_E3.jpg
Mod nation PS3
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RqFhu7CWo...4oo5PzJ4/s1600/Mod_Nation_God_of_war_kart.jpg
Mario Kart 8 Wii U.
http://www.cubed3.com/media/2013/June/WiiU_MarioKart8_scrn02_E3.jpg
How far is this difference here....!!
klapauzius
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The PS360 version was the latest to get developed, the Wii U/PS4/One version was already in development than.
frankie_baby
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Pretty vast though the art styles contribute quite a lot
Vermillion
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Plus those games aren't even great looking. 'Tis doubtful that they're using much of the PS3's power.
Fair play, I love Gaf.
freefornow
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Gonna be some butt hurt when people realise that the Smash shots are bullshots.
The. Game. Will. Not. Look. Like. These. Shots.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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The game looks much better in motion.
The. Game. Looks. Better. Than. These. Shots.
Nintendo doesn't do bullshots. If anything, the final game will probably look quite a bit better, as it is usually the case when Nintendo releases early shots and footage.
The game looks exactly like the screenshots and even better in motion. These are not bullshots and you can see some imperfections.
Vermillion
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That much is true... Nintendo seems to have a tendency to release shots that look worse than the actual game. I don't know how they do it, but they find a way.
lightchris
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Honestly, both All-Stars Battle Royale and Smash look pretty mediocre. I wouldn't be surprised if the latter will look better in the final version. Certerainly not bullshots, just downscaled from it's native 1080p resoultion to 720p, thus the relatively good image quality.
pepone1234
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Nintendo doesn't do bullshots. In fact you can see some inperfections in most of the images.
Wont Watch Dogs probably utilize the Wii U hardware better than 360 ports because it is developed for modern architectures?
Vermillion
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I actually think that Watch_Dogs could let us know a lot about where Wii U stands in comparison to last gen and this gen.
...That is, if there's a significant amount of effort put into the ports. Though to be fair, I imagine that they'd just let PS360 and Wii U look the same so as to save the effort and let PS4X1 look the same, leaving us in exactly the same place.
I think splinter cell & Bayonetta 2,The wonderful 101 enough for me.
From my view I think wii U greater 2-4 times than ps360.
Bayonetta 1
http://paulfordsound.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/bayonetta.jpg
Bayonetta 2
http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamesp.../gsm_169_bayonetta2_wiiu_e3_ot_061113_640.jpg
Those shots look terrible. Some OK shading on the faces to make them look round but there are tonnes of edged curved surfaces due to very low poly counts.
phosphor112
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Man, the art style differences... lol.
Anyway, to be fair, ModNation Racers and LBP Karting both have dynamic/deferred rendering engines that probably eats up so much more power than it should.
freezamite
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THIS.
Bayonetta 1 vs 2 is the most accurate comparison we have at this point. Both are made by the same company adn with the same artstyle.
And despite being Bayonetta 2 much better in terms of texture quality, polygon count and lighting it still manages to achieve better framerates than 360.
The PS3 port was so bad (it was 30fps at best, and most of the time it was below 25) that of course I'm not even counting it.
On those shots it looks like night and day generational difference. But Im sure you can find better shots of both modnation and all star that will make them seem more favorably. It probably had a lot to do with the artstyle too, I am not good at seperating good art from technicly good graphics.
lightchris
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Bayonetta would be a good comparison if there were any decent direct feed gameplay screenshots out yet. The released video meterial is pretty bad in quality, can't judge much from that to be honest. Guess we'll have to wait.
I immediately start ignoring people that say anything stupid like the Wii U is being maxed out already. Unless they are developers making exclusive games for the system they are just ignorantly running their mouths. There is no reasoning with people that go off in that direction because facts and logic don't matter to them.
phosphor112
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It's quite clear how powerful the Wii U is over the PS360. Even doing split screen 1080p 60fps on MK Wii U shows that. GT5 has split screen at 60fps, but it cuts out all the other cars because of it. WipeoutHD runs at 60fps and MOSTLY 1080p...split screen, the resolution drops even more.
I still stand by my statement that the Wii U is 2 - 2.5x the power of current gen. Which is enough for 1080p games at current gen + effects.
I still stand by my statement that the Wii U is 2 - 2.5x the power of current gen. Which is enough for 1080p games at current gen + effects.
This really blow my mind more than any ps360 games on e3 2013
http://www.gamersyde.com/download_mario_kart_8_e3_gameplay-30282_en.html
Barack Lesnar
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MK8 is 720p
Looks great but that's an off-screen vid, and also from a decent distance... the ultimate bullvid combo.
Glorified G
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Isn't that an apples to oranges comparison? There is a lot more heavy assets in GT5 than there would be in mk.
Mario kart seems to be doing a lot more geometry and effects in the background while most of GT5's assets go to the cars.
nordique
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I agree with the first part of this post (the part I deleted)
Solely regarding the DX10.1/DX11 stuff however, this is what Tetsuya Nomura recently mentioned when asked why Kingdom Hearts III isn't coming to the Wii U:
http://nintendoeverything.com/125742/kingdom-hearts-iii-all-but-ruled-out-for-wii-u/
Does anyone want to chime in on this? I didn't think the difference between DX 10.1 and 11 is that great that is would prevent this from happening...is it then a purely horsepower thing rather than functional?
edit: I just realized this was addressed p.132-133 ... will quote this post because it has a great explanation of DX10.1 -> 11.
nordique
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I know I'm late to reply to this post, but I honestly can't see a huge difference outside of maybe MGSV (and this is me personally)
I was very unimpressed with the Madden 25 and FIFA 14 next gen revealings, which looked to me barely better than screens of Fifa 14 and Madden 25 for the current gen systems albeit with more mud textures, somewhat better lighting and clothing physics
Nothing at all even remotely comparable to the PS1 -> PS2 or PS2 -> PS3 jump for me, let alone SNES -> PS1.
That said, I do appreciate how the IQ has improved, with many games now at 1080p and 60FPS. For me that is great, and hopefully 1080p becomes the norm.
I could tell that there was a difference between the Wii U and some of the other titles on other systems but honestly, in this age of HD where none of my friends could point out screens from Forza 5 vs Gran Turismo 6 when I showed them, its seeming like it's minuscule for all but the most avid of gamers.
The only game that truly impressed me graphically in terms of a "next gen" feel, in all honesty, was MGSV.
The thing about this, the PS4 doesn't even support DX11 so I think Square could put KH3 on Wii U if they wanted to...Or if Nintendo pays them too, but that's what I think but I know for a fact PS4 doesn't support DX11 because Microsoft owns it.
MGSV looked amazing, but I do agree, both Wii U and PS4 impressed me visually, Xbox One didn't really do that.
phosphor112
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720p and 60fps is still more than what most PS360 games can pull off =P.
2 player split screen doesn't even render the cars in 1st person mode, showing that their LOD is lower than normal. I mean.. GT5 "1080p" is super impressive. More so than MK8 IMO, but it also does 720p 3D as well.
But MK8 shows that it holds up better when you start pushing things like split screen.
It doesn't support DirectX, but all those DX11 features are still a part of the OpenGL pipeline.
Evolution_1ne
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but you whole post is about 1080p this and 1080p that if GT5 and Wipeout HD were 720p your whole post would be irrelevant, and seeing as MK8 is 720p your whole point is rendered useless
I pray to sweet baby Jesus that this is a joke
phosphor112
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Eh. Oh well. It's still more powerful.
I don't remember that ever being confirmed, source?
That is what my initial post was about... :/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62956486&postcount=6346
Aizu_Itsuko
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I don't think that's contradictory.
We don't know the exact capabilities of the Wii U, but a 50% difference between systems released at the same time is pretty significant, while a 50% difference between a next gen console and last gen consoles could be seen as "being on par" or "insignificant", meaning it would still be in the same ballpark.
That doesn't really make sense. We're comparing hardware, not timeframes or release schedules.
I'm curious to know if the latest X footage has changed your mind about it looking better than Just Cause 2 (on consoles)?
I don't think anyone was talking about how significant the differences were relative to release dates? We're just talking about people's opinions of the gap in performance here as far as I'm aware. Which apparently has had some people claiming PS4 is a generation ahead of Xbox One due to a bit more RAM and 50 percent more graphics processing power.
Not saying it's contradictory by the way, because we could be talking about entirely different people than the ones who took part in the WiiU discussions. Just saying it's amazing how different opinions can be on two very similar subjects.
Also I don't want to quibble but like I said at the time, on par means the same. Therefore 50 percent more certainly can't be considered on par.
Why does saying Mario Kart has more noticeable background geometry than GT5 have to be a joke?
edit.
Barack Lesnar
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I couldn't possibly disagree more with nearly every point made in this post save for MGSV looking next-gen and the sports games not blowing us away. There were quite a few games shown, not just MGSV, that trounce everything from current-gen and are fully worthy of the 'next-gen' moniker. It's a legit generational leap over last-gen, huge. Crow was served at E3, although there will always be people that deny and downplay it.
I know that I've been sounding a little fandoyish as of late, but E3 just got me really excited to own a Wii U. I was really disappointed when I saw that the WiiU's hardware was pretty weak, but after comparing it to some of the other next-gen graphics coming out of the Xbone and Ps4, I have to say that it's looking like it can pump out some really gorgeous visuals.
Like, Monolith Soft's X might be the most gorgeous game I've ever seen. I don't think that is an exaggeration. Whatever they're doing with the hardware is incredible.
Like, Monolith Soft's X might be the most gorgeous game I've ever seen. I don't think that is an exaggeration. Whatever they're doing with the hardware is incredible.
megabytecr
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sorry bit off topic.
I want to go Wii U only as my time for gaming is not much with work and the family. If I find that Wii U only is not satisfying certain gaming aspects then I will get a decent PC. PS4 and XB1 will be easily surpassed by PC this time, so I don´t get all the hype for PS4, I will surely wait.
Based on what I have seen (not much, maybe Watch Dogs with effort) this early Wii U can hold pretty well to the XB1 and PS4, with obvious sacrifices, but ultimately what matters most to me is that the result on the Wii U looks good enough. It is sad the situation with 3rd parties, but I am hoping Wii U does well on the coming months.
It would be huge if we get at least some info from multiplatform developers if what we were guessing about Wii U development benefiting from XB1/PS4 development, because in the end architecturally Wii U is similar to XB1 and PS4 than PS360.
off topic but interesting: is something to be announced for Wii U soon?
Fils-Aime: "My bet is that there are going to be more announcements the closer we get to whatever their launch date is." http://kotaku.com/nintendo-saying-next-gen-is-only-sony-vs-microsoft-is-514050644
I want to go Wii U only as my time for gaming is not much with work and the family. If I find that Wii U only is not satisfying certain gaming aspects then I will get a decent PC. PS4 and XB1 will be easily surpassed by PC this time, so I don´t get all the hype for PS4, I will surely wait.
Based on what I have seen (not much, maybe Watch Dogs with effort) this early Wii U can hold pretty well to the XB1 and PS4, with obvious sacrifices, but ultimately what matters most to me is that the result on the Wii U looks good enough. It is sad the situation with 3rd parties, but I am hoping Wii U does well on the coming months.
It would be huge if we get at least some info from multiplatform developers if what we were guessing about Wii U development benefiting from XB1/PS4 development, because in the end architecturally Wii U is similar to XB1 and PS4 than PS360.
off topic but interesting: is something to be announced for Wii U soon?
Fils-Aime: "My bet is that there are going to be more announcements the closer we get to whatever their launch date is." http://kotaku.com/nintendo-saying-next-gen-is-only-sony-vs-microsoft-is-514050644
COD on Wii U should be announced eventually and probably other titles.
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