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WiiU - Undercooked and rushed to the market?

The incidence of RRoD increased with the amount of time the system was used. A tiny fraction may have observed it from the get go, but that number got larger and larger until they basically switched to the 3rd or 4th motherboard design. During this time the fraction of users who experienced the issue was growing and the overall install base itself was expanding.

As far as MS was concerned, it was ignorable and unfortunate for the first year plus, but eventually it got so bad that it had to be addressed/

I remeber back in the days when the 360 was first launch, the major knock on it was the RROD

it did affect a lot of people first day if i recall correctly
 
Do you have any evidence of that? The Vita seemed very functional and snappy on day one, as did the Slim versions of PS3 as well as Xbox 360.

Do you honestly expect the world's biggest and most successful software company (Microsoft) to skimp on the essentials of their next generation consoles software side?
Vita definitely deserves some props for it's OS and software features, underrated in that regard
 
Nintendo will fix the os issues

They've been working on this for quite some time. There shouldn't be glaring OS issues.

If you bought it knowing that is would be outclassed in a year and yet still dissapointed by that fact then that's on you.

I bought it knowing it'd be outclassed in a year, but also expecting it to be at least on par with my 6- and 7-year-old systems, and it isn't.


The console just launched. Calm down.

It's now not okay to expect a product to be up to expectations when it goes on sale? What a world we live in.
 
I have noticed a lot of hate on the internet for this devise. Espcially the media. It's annoying as shit. its been out for less than 48 hours....give it a fucking chance.
 
I think all the OS problems are amusing considering the debate I was engaged in only a week or so ago wherein people told me the reason Nintendo was being so secretive is because they have a "big secret" in their OS they didn't want their competitors to know about and that, of course, it's totally natural they would have the superior OS, why am I being so pessimistic, nyah!

This shit is hilariously funny in hindsight.
 
I miss the gamecube launch.

That's an easy one to re-enact, go buy yourself a purple lunchbox, stick it in the corner and cry yourself to sleep over the fact that there's no games coming for it, ever. :P

Hyperbole of course, Super Monkey Ball was awesome! It got at least one good title :P
 
After what has been revealed over the last few days about the slow RAM, awful PS360 ports (to be fair, devs are to blame for those, not Nintendo), the supposedly weak CPU, the slow OS, the huge-ass day 1 FW update, not being able to transfer content between two Wii Us, Nintendo's weird decision to charge 50 cents for accounts for minors (it's obviously not a huge amount, and it makes sense for verifying CCs, but why don't they refund it?) and the savegame brouhaha (not sure what this is about as I didn't read the thread).. It seems like the Wii U isn't as much undercooked as the water hadn't even begun boiling.
 
I have noticed a lot of hate on the internet for this devise. Espcially the media. It's annoying as shit. its been out for less than 48 hours....give it a fucking chance.

This rage is still nothing compared to the explosion of gamer hatred that was the Wii...the Wii U still has a long way to go before it can match Wii levels of rage.
 
Have to say I'm reaching close to the point of cancelling my pre-order, we'll see if its improves via updates in the next 2 weeks before i get mine.

But if it doesn't probably gonna cancel my pre-order, or just send it back to amazon UK.

The NNID issue has really deflated my hype. I mean the Wii U has a lot of good ideas in theory, but the execution of those ideas... I mean how could you botch them so badly?
 
This is all pretty disheartening. Hopefully firmware updates will speed up the OS, but this memory business is madness. Makes downports seem unlikely at this point. Not that I ever expected beastly hardware, but this doesn't bode well for third party viability in 2014 onward.

RROD was not a problem at launch.

Gotta love revisionist video game history...
 
That's an easy one to re-enact, go buy yourself a purple lunchbox, stick it in the corner and cry yourself to sleep over the fact that there's no games coming for it, ever. :P

Hyperbole of course, Super Monkey Ball was awesome! It got at least one good title :P

dude at launch we had Melee, Wave Race and Luigi's Mansion that 3 games alone are worthy 3 months of full immersive gameplay... GameCube launch was so much better it isn't even funny.
 
dude at launch we had Melee, Wave Race and Luigi's Mansion that 3 games alone are worthy 3 months of full immersive gameplay... GameCube launch was so much better it isn't even funny.

As I spoilered, it was amusing hyperbolic exaggeration, launch was fine, the next few years though? not so good :P
 
Original Post updated with crucial info about NNIDS being locked forever with the console; Nintendo Support is unable to do any kind of migration work with purchases. Please be advised when making purchases on the Nintendo Network

Wait a sec.. so if the console shits itself. You lose your account and all of your purchases?
 
Not necessarily. I assume that if you send the console in for repairs, it'll come back fixed with your data intact.

Nintendo Customer Support confirmed that is NOT the case. Everything is lost and they can't do anything about it.
 
Have to say I'm reaching close to the point of cancelling my pre-order, we'll see if its improves via updates in the next 2 weeks before i get mine.

But if it doesn't probably gonna cancel my pre-order, or just send it back to amazon UK.

The NNID issue has really deflated my hype. I mean the Wii U has a lot of good ideas in theory, but the execution of those ideas... I mean how could you botch them so badly?

I've been one of the people that has criticised Nintendo pretty hard in the past two days, and I'm still getting the console. I'm confident that the company will fix many of the flaws present at the moment and I'm confident in their future games lineup (I also have yet to play quite a few Wii games at the moment, in addition to NintendoLand and NSMBU).

If you buy this console for the promise of third party support, you're better off cancelling. But otherwise, I think the Wii U will still turn out to be a worthwhile console. Of course, you can always buy later if you don't have a significant backlog or didn't get rid of your Wii.
 
Nintendo Customer Support confirmed that is NOT the case. Everything is lost and they can't do anything about it.

Turns out Nintendo customer service can't switch over NNIDs to a new console, it is completely locked, and they're looking into what they can do but are not optimistic that anything can be done.

A NEW console. Fixing your existing console does not necessarily mean deleting all of your data. Tell me where Nintendo has explicitly said they will delete all of your data on your CURRENT console if you send it in for repairs.
 
Nintendo Customer Support confirmed that is NOT the case. Everything is lost and they can't do anything about it.

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Nintendo Customer Support confirmed that is NOT the case. Everything is lost and they can't do anything about it.

I hope there's clarification on that, otherwise they're just asking everyone not to buy anything ever! It needs official addressing of the matter. Like, from fucking Reggie.
 
This isn't THAT big of a problem. They could easily patch it later, and likely will. Or make some sort of data migration program.

Of course it's not. If you can send in your broken console and get YOUR EXISTING CONSOLE fixed while keeping your data / NNID intact (which I assume you can do), this whole problem is immensely overblown.

Not apologizing for Nintendo. This is an obviously backwards measure that needs to be updated / corrected in the future. But it's always fun seeing people get aneurysms and ulcers over this kind of stuff.
 
The incidence of RRoD increased with the amount of time the system was used. A tiny fraction may have observed it from the get go, but that number got larger and larger until they basically switched to the 3rd or 4th motherboard design. During this time the fraction of users who experienced the issue was growing and the overall install base itself was expanding.

As far as MS was concerned, it was ignorable and unfortunate for the first year plus, but eventually it got so bad that it had to be addressed/

Hmmm, I remember my 360 as well as quite a few friends 360s dying in the first month or so. It only makes sense that the problem would get larger as time went on though. T

From what I recall the issue was more than the design as well. Having performed the xclamp fix on quite a few 360s, the amount of thermal paste was a problem as well. Which caused overheating and 'loss' of connection between traces. Clean and replace the paste, overheat the system, allow to cool, and it would work in most instances.
 
Gotta love revisionist video game history...

If it was a major problem at launch in the first week, it would have been all over GAF. If you have links to GAF threads of users complaining about it in the week of launch, would love to see it.

edit: I'm obviously not saying it wasn't *ever* a problem, but it was not at launch like the user I posted said.
 
I hope there's clarification on that, otherwise they're just asking everyone not to buy anything ever! It needs official addressing of the matter. Like, from fucking Reggie.

If you mean Nintendo needs to try to spin some bullshit in case this is widely reported, then yeah.

Other than that, it's pretty clear. Nintendo fucked up. I'm impressed the apologists are still out in such a force.
 
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this.

honestly, if you can't handle the code in-house to meet the base-level expectations that 6 years of the previous generation set as standard...then farm the work out to some other, more competent company and just oversee things.

There are just too many performance and feature problems with the Wii U right now. Features that have been in modern consoles for literally several years are wholly absent or completely broken.
 
WiiU - Undercooked and rushed to the market?

Yes, I think so. I had a bad feeling about this entire Wii U project ever since it was first unveiled back in E3 2011. It seems like Nintendo didn't think things through. The only bright spot since then was the Bayonetta 2 announcement. That's it.

Nintendo should have delayed the Wii U until November next year, instead of half-assing out a system this fall. Who cares about the competition. With this delay, they should have beefed up the specs enough so that it's a respectable jump over 360/PS3. (Weaker than the next-gen Sony/MS consoles is fine.) If that results in a modest price hike (say $50), then fine. A delay could have allowed them to take their time polishing up the OS, network infrastructure, and have better, more consumer-friendly solutions in place to deal with recovering lost game data and whatnot. It could have allowed them to have a bigger and more robust 1st party lineup with a REAL killer app or two...and possibly 3rd party too. If they had done this instead, the launch and critic/user reception would have been much better, and the system would have sold just fine even if the next Sony and MS systems also launched next fall...since most people buy Nintendo consoles for 1st party exclusives.

The Wii U has been Nintendo's worst console launch in its 25+ year history and there is little hope that things will improve much in the future. Firmware updates and patches can only do so much. This device has problems that are unsolvable via software updates.
 
I've been enjoying my Wii U, it's full of neat things, but I'm aware of the oh so many issues that is currently suffering from, I've experienced a few of them, some are acceptable (at least for now), others not so much. Having said that, the exaggerated hate it's getting is ridiculous, if I hadn't tried for some hours these past two days, I would be afraid of getting a broken system that's destined to be Nintendo's biggest failure in 25 years, with 0 3rd party support, broken ports and useless online features. For me it's a pretty good system that can only get better as time passes by, like, you know, the PS3 and 360 did.
 
I've been one of the people that has criticised Nintendo pretty hard in the past two days, and I'm still getting the console. I'm confident that the company will fix many of the flaws present at the moment and I'm confident in their future games lineup (I also have yet to play quite a few Wii games at the moment, in addition to NintendoLand and NSMBU).

If you buy this console for the promise of third party support, you're better off cancelling. But otherwise, I think the Wii U will still turn out to be a worthwhile console. Of course, you can always buy later if you don't have a significant backlog or didn't get rid of your Wii.

Oh, i certainly didn't pre-order the Wii U for third party multiplat games (i have a beefy PC for that), at the very worst I'll just have to treat the Wii U like the Wii. Basically not buying any digital content and playing only 1st party and exclusive games.

It still saddens me that there's such potential being wasted. At-least the browser is quick, thats something.
 
Everything seems to be working much better for me today. Miiverse, home screen, etc., seem fully functional and fairly snappy.

Snappy isn't a word I would use to describe anything about the interface.

I'm curious if the shitty slowness is due to some server thing or just it being poorly optimized.
 
If you mean Nintendo needs to try to spin some bullshit in case this is widely reported, then yeah.

Other than that, it's pretty clear. Nintendo fucked up. I'm impressed the apologists are still out in such a force.
Hmmm... no?
 
Nintendo Customer Support confirmed that is NOT the case. Everything is lost and they can't do anything about it.


I really doubt this is totally the case. Customer support told me the same thing when my wii stopped working several years ago, but when it was returned to me, I was able to re-download all the VC games I bought, no charge.
 
Wait, what?

People were complaining about the RROD a few months into the systems life.

I think what he means is that the RROD didn't have a big impact at launch - it didn't color people's perception of the console right off the bat. Yes the RROD was a huge problem, but it was a gradual thing which took time to hit the media and be perceived by most people.

I love Nintendo, but some of the defenders in this thread are just that, defenders.
 
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