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[kruis]

Migrants? I thought they were refugees. If the situation in their country improves then they get sent back.

They are migrants, not refugees. They're from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afhanistan,and many other countries. And they want a better life for themselves and their family. But even the Syrians weren't fleeing for their lives, since they were already in Turkey when they set out for nearby Greek islands.

I just read a long article by Dutch investigative reporter Arnold Karskens who went joined up with a number of Iranians in Turkey and crossed the Mediterranean on a boat at night. His group was actually arrested by the Greek police past the half way point. The Iranians were let go, Karskens was held for a few days and had to pay a 400 Euro fine because he had filmed the Greek patrol ship with his GoPro.

Just about every single person he met was an economic migrant. There's a complete cottage industry in many Turkish cities along the coast where migrants pay the local or Kurdish mob to get across to Greece and local shops sell rubber boats, back packs, swimming vests to new arrivals.

There was a short report on the Dutch news about Syrians in Turkey. Turkey has more than 2 million Syrians inside its borders but only 10% are in official shelters. The vast majority are spread across the whole country, trying to get by. It's a safe country, but it's difficult to find a steady job and their fed up with their life in Turkey. It's no surprise they too want to go to North West Europe just like hundreds of thousands of their compatriots. Europe is the promised land for ambitious young men in Asia and North Africa. But the vast majority of them have no right to claim a refugee status.

Just like these three:

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Edit: Here's a link to the Google Translation of that article by Arnold Karskens

 

[Hoya Destroyer]

Not yet.
But the OFFICIAL prognosis is *at least* 800.000 till the end of the year.
And official numbers in Germany are always way too small.

And once that 800 000 are in Germany, those numbers will soon triple or quadruple when they have their wives and kids sent over too, wont they?
I agree that the poorer Germans who rely on welfare etc, are in for a really tough time.

 

[Nivash]

They are migrants, not refugees. They're from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afhanistan,and many other countries. And they want a better life for themselves and their family. But even the Syrians weren't fleeing for their lives, since they were already in Turkey when they set out for nearby Greek islands.

I just read a long article by Dutch investigative reporter Arnold Karskens who went joined up with a number of Iranians in Turkey and crossed the Mediterranean on a boat at night. His group was actually arrested by the Greek police past the half way point. The Iranians were let go, Karskens was held for a few days and had to pay a 400 Euro fine because he had filmed the Greek patrol ship with his GoPro.

Just about every single person he met was an economic migrant. There's a complete cottage industry in many Turkish cities along the coast where migrants pay the local or Kurdish mob to get across to Greece and local shops sell rubber boats, back packs, swimming vests to new arrivals. There was a short report on the Dutch news about Syrians in Turkey. Turkey has almost 2 million Syrians inside its borders but only 10% are in official shelters. The vast majority are spread across the whole country, trying to get by. It's difficult to find a steady job and their fed up with their life in Turkey. It's no surprise they to want to go to North West Europe just like hundreds of thousands of their compatriots. Europe is the promised land for ambitious young men in Asia and North Africa. But the vast majority of them have no right to claim a refugee status.

Just like these three:

This has been covered time and time again: you don't lose refugee status just because you happen to transit through a country that's generally been deemed safe. You're still on the run from your own country and without a home. I'm sure there's some point a person has spent enough time in a country to lose their refugee status but we're talking permanent residence here, not a temporary stay in a refugee camp or some other arrangement. The Syrians arriving in Europe are still refugees by every means of the internationally recognised criteria.

If what you suggests was made true the system wouldn't work. It's bad enough as it is. The entirety of the EU, population 500 million, have taken in roughly 500,000 refugees. Compare that with the close to 2 million refugees you mentioned in Turkey, population 77 million, or the 1,2 million in Lebanon, population 4,4 million. And yes you read that correctly - Lebanon is currently hosting 1 refugee for every 4 citizen. Now that's mass immigration if I ever saw it.

There are still another 8 million displaced within Syria itself and that number will keep growing as the conflict grinds on. Your suggestion could lead to the complete destabilization of neighboring countries and spark further atrocities. This is one of the greatest humanitarian crisis in the world in modern history, it needs a global response. The reason they can't see a future in Turkey is because the country is overwhelmed by a refugee crisis, so they keep on heading further away to see if there's room for them there.This does in no way turn them into economic migrants.

And once that 800 000 are in Germany, those numbers will soon triple or quadruple when they have their wives and kids sent over too, wont they?
I agree that the poorer Germans who rely on welfare etc, are in for a really tough time.

So what? Their families are obviously refugees too, and in a hell of a lot worse situation than even the poorer people in Germany.

Why don't you germans do something about that? Can't imagine the people of germany wanting this

Because the German people actually understands the horrors of war and realise that the only moral thing to do here is to help the refugees and that any other concern is completely irrelevant in face of the humanitarian crisis we're witnessing?

 

[Lovely Salsa]

And once that 800 000 are in Germany, those numbers will soon triple or quadruple when they have their wives and kids sent over too, wont they?
I agree that the poorer Germans who rely on welfare etc, are in for a really tough time.

Why don't you germans do something about that? Can't imagine the people of germany wanting this

 

[LilJoka]

That's not true at all and has been disproved many times. Immigrants are rarely beneficial to society unless they are already highly educated.

Again not necessarily black and white, by diversifying workforce it can lead to an increase in innovation by including those from varied backgrounds and people with different ways of thinking.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

Because the German people actually understands the horrors of war and realise that the only moral thing to do here is to help the refugees and that any other concern is completely irrelevant in face of the humanitarian crisis we're witnessing?

I thought they were going to Germany for free hand outs. They'll never work there

thats what I gathered from this thread

 

[MonorailCat]

Why don't you germans do something about that? Can't imagine the people of germany wanting this

Because Germans are naive. And they are branded as nazis as soon as they say some minor things against immigrants or refugees. The left wing thinks if we help the refugees they will be grateful.
In reality most of the refugees will soon realize that Germany is not the paradise they thought it was. We have no jobs for people that don't speak german. We have no jobs for people that are illiterate.
And as soon as they realize that crime will spike.
There will be huge wake up call sometime next year.

 

[kruis]

And once that 800 000 are in Germany, those numbers will soon triple or quadruple when they have their wives and kids sent over too, wont they?
I agree that the poorer Germans who rely on welfare etc, are in for a really tough time.

It's already happening. Look at this report from German tv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnE3cFEehxg A number of the poorest people in Ludwigshafen were evicted because the houses where they lived are going to be razed to the ground so new homes for ayslum seekers can be built.

 

[LilJoka]

Because Germans are naive. And they are branded as nazis as soon as they say some minor things against immigrants or refugees. The left wing thinks if we help the refugees they will be grateful.
In reality most of the refugees will soon realize that Germany is not the paradise they thought it was. We have no jobs for people that don't speak german. We have no jobs for people that are illiterate.
And as soon as they realize that crime will spike.
There will be huge wake up call sometime next year.

My cousin worked at Airbus in Germany and doesn't speak German.

 

[TCRS]

Again not necessarily black and white, by diversifying workforce it can lead to an increase in innovation by including those from varied backgrounds and people with different ways of thinking.

That is an unproven non-argument tbh. Germany is already one of the most innovative countries in the world. In fact most innovative countries are pretty homogenous (Germany, Japan, South Korea) with a stark exception of the United States. But even there innovative sectors are pretty homogenous or only take immigrants with high education levels.

My cousin worked at Airbus in Germany and doesn't speak German.

That's because Airbus is an international company. It still requires a relative high level of education that most refugees won't have.

 

[Lamel]

It sometimes seems as if, when people say they want the migrants to "integrate," they mean they want them to become Germans without Germany having to change to accomodate them. If that's the benchmark, it will never happen. Germany's adding a million people. It's going to change, if for no other reason than the inexorable logic of democracy. A society is a common agreement among its members. If you add new members, society is going to have to shift to some degree. Despite the general feeling through the ages, it's probably a good thing. After all, without waves of Greek immigrants spreading their ways all over Europe, we'd never have had Western civilization in the first place.

Great post.

 

[justjohn]

I think they should help but these numbers being bandied about are insane and seems to me like they don't seem to care about the opinions of the native people, the majority who clearly don't want this. The only ones who will benefit from this are the far right because there quite a lot of anger about this if my Facebook feed is anything to go by.

 

[Hoya Destroyer]

So what? Their families are obviously refugees too, and in a hell of a lot worse situation than even the poorer people in Germany.

I dont believe Germany has a moral obligation to help masses of people from a foreign country and foreign war at their own peoples expense.

Why don't you germans do something about that? Can't imagine the people of germany wanting this

Im not German, but I wish them luck. I suspect their circumstances are a bit like our here in Australia, where the media and vocal minority puts tremendous pressure on the Government to take in migrants/refugees, when the broad local populations opinion on the matter is not the same one.

 

[MonorailCat]

My cousin worked at Airbus in Germany and doesn't speak German.

So your cousin was a refugee of a war torn middle east country and worked at airbus germany?
If not, thats a strawman argument. Of course there are international companies in germany that accomodate well educated english speakers. But how many Syrian refugees are are perfect english speaking engineers with credentials? Yeah, not many.

 

[LilJoka]

That is an unproven non-argument tbh. Germany is already one of the most innovative countries in the world. In fact most innovative countries are pretty homogenous (Germany, Japan, South Korea) with a stark exception of the United States. But even there innovative sectors are pretty homogenous or only take immigrants with high education levels.



That's because Airbus is an international company. It still requires a relative high level of education that most refugees won't have.

Just because it's unproven doesn't mean it's false, just hard to justify unless you've experienced it, which I have.

Fair enough but there are plenty of other lower skilled/unskilled jobs available, there's people shouting the same thing in the UK and I know it's a load of rubbish here too, there are lots of jobs available.

 

[Nivash]

I dont believe Germany has a moral obligation to help masses of people from a foreign country and foreign war at their own peoples expense.

It doesn't matter what you think. The right to asylum is a fundamental human right recognised in the UDHR. I strongly disagree with you about the moral obligation part, I think every country on Earth has a moral duty to provide sanctuary for refugees, but it's also a right the refugees has and that's not subject to matters like cost or integration.

 

[Lamel]

Kind of crazy seeing that video and the Christian who fled Syria and then had to flee the refugee shelter he was in because he was threatened and assaulted by a Muslim. You'd think another refugee would be full of empathy, not intolerance and hate. If that is prevalent amongst the Muslim refugees Germany is in for a rough time.

is it a surprise? muslims were pushing Christians off boats coming from Libya to Italy.

And there are europeans tripping fleeing refugees for camera shots. We have shit people of every color in this world.

And people are okay with letting these kind of people into Germany/Europe? I'd let them drown.

"These kind of people". Really? You don't have to let them drown, they already ARE drowning and dying. And yes, let's say some of the refugees are terrible people, does that mean you tell all of them to fuck off? Man you guys love making generalizations.

I'm actually a bit surprised by how negatively muslims/immigrants have been painted in this thread.

 

[MonorailCat]

Fair enough but there are plenty of other lower skilled/unskilled jobs available,

What are you talking about? There are almost no unskilled jobs available in Germany.
I can'T even find work with a M. Sc.

 

[funkypie]

Just because it's unproven doesn't mean it's false, just hard to justify unless you've experienced it, which I have.

Fair enough but there are plenty of other lower skilled/unskilled jobs available, there's people shouting the same thing in the UK and I know it's a load of rubbish here too, there are lots of jobs available.

Well prove it then since you made the claim. Its also been proven in the UK that the unchecked Mass immigration of low skilled people has kept wages low.

And there are europeans tripping fleeing refugees for camera shots. We have shit people of every color in this world.


"These kind of people". Really? You don't have to let them drown, they already ARE drowning and dying. And yes, let's say some of the refugees are terrible people, does that mean you tell all of them to fuck off? Man you guys love making generalizations.

I'm actually a bit surprised by how negatively muslims/immigrants have been painted in this thread.

Comparing murder to tripping someone up, amazing.

 

[justjohn]

Just because it's unproven doesn't mean it's false, just hard to justify unless you've experienced it, which I have.

Fair enough but there are plenty of other lower skilled/unskilled jobs available, there's people shouting the same thing in the UK and I know it's a load of rubbish here too, there are lots of jobs available.

Can I please come and live in your wonderful world? It must be pretty sweet there.

 

[Devil's advocate]

As a german i'm a lot more concerned about the current resurgence of far right violence.

Between refugees and arsonists i know what i find scarier.

 

[LilJoka]

What are you talking about? There are almost no unskilled jobs available in Germany.
I can'T even find work with a M. Sc.

Yeah that's what they say in the UK too. Lack of dedication or overestimating their worth is usually the problem, not saying that applies to you though.

I have a friend who started a cleaning business in the UK, he doesn't have a degree, just left school at 18. He hires migrants for the cleaning services which are contracted to companies in a fairly wide area. That's just one example of the type of job available and also shows how you don't need a degree (highly educated) to be successful.

Well prove it then since you made the claim. Its also been proven in the UK that the unchecked Mass immigration of low skilled people has kept wages low.

Comparing murder to tripping someone up, amazing.

If a migrant will work for less then it's your problem not them. Either increase your skill set or deal with it, you can't blame them, they'll live a much harder life either way. They are way more dedicated than those who sit and complain.

 

[Lamel]

Well prove it then since you made the claim. Its also been proven in the UK that the unchecked Mass immigration of low skilled people has kept wages low.



Comparing murder to tripping someone up, amazing.

I was more responding to kenshin's post about refugees treating other refugees badly.

I didn't know your example was murder. Obviously not comparable, but I hope you get what I am trying to say. Unless you're being purposefully dense.

 

[sphinx]

I was more responding to kenshin's post about refugees treating other refugees badly.

well, there was an incident in Greece where Afgahns and Syrians were filmed by local news fighting and destroying the place (Lesbos). I don't know whether these people are refugees or just migrants, but they do treat each other bad.

 

[funkypie]

Yeah that's what they say in the UK too. Lack of dedication or overestimating their worth is usually the problem, not saying that applies to you though.

I have a friend who started a cleaning business in the UK, he doesn't have a degree, just left school at 18. He hires migrants for the cleaning services which are contracted to companies in a fairly wide area. That's just one example of the type of job available and also shows how you don't need a degree (highly educated) to be successful.



If a migrant will work for less then it's your problem not them. Either increase your skill set or deal with it, you can't blame them, they'll live a much harder life either way. They are way more dedicated than those who sit and complain.

You mean a migrant will share a house with other migrants usually the same family and all work for less to support themselves? Shock horror. Unfortunately in the real world British people can't just share a house with 5 people all working, unless everyone just lived in house shares with random people.

When the leader of the fucking Labour Party has come out and said his party got it wrong on immigration, which has had a negative affect on wages... People shouldn't have to have their wages kept low by migrants willing to keep it low by undercutting them. You live in a fantasy world.

 

[Toxi]

Im not German, but I wish them luck. I suspect their circumstances are a bit like our here in Australia, where the media and vocal minority puts tremendous pressure on the Government to take in migrants/refugees, when the broad local populations opinion on the matter is not the same one.

Considering the current Australian government, you got what you wanted.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

What are you talking about? There are almost no unskilled jobs available in Germany.
I can'T even find work with a M. Sc.

What? I could probably go to the nearest McDonald's right now at 12 am and get a job.

Also, I am doing my Bsc in CS so I don't even have any university degree, but got plenty of part time jobs in IT already. A degree won't get you a job automatically.

 

[LilJoka]

You mean a migrant will share a house with other migrants usually the same family and all work for less to support themselves? Shock horror. Unfortunately in the real world British people can't just share a house with 5 people all working, unless everyone just lived in house shares with random people.

When the leader of the fucking Labour Party has come out and said his party got it wrong on immigration, which has had a negative affect on wages... People shouldn't have to have their wages kept low by migrants willing to keep it low by undercutting them. You live in a fantasy world.

Nope, I live in the real world, you seem to feel you are more entitled/deserving than other humans. In the real world people make do with what they get.

You know it's really funny you say British people won't house share, my colleagues earning 35k are all in house shares with other professionals and have no complaints. In a few years they will have enough to get a mortgage and their own house.

It all comes back to unreasonable luxuries/entitlement, they forget to work hard.

Leader of Labour Party lost, they need to send feel good speeches for a reason.

What? I could probably go to the nearest McDonald's right now at 12 am and get a job.

A degree won't get you a job automatically.

Exactly.

 

[braves01]

What are the social benefits/entitlements the migrants will receive in Germany? Is there a dollar amount out there about how much each migrant will cost Germans?

 

[daniels]

One thing is for sure we have no obligation to take refugees to the point that the native population and country gets fucked over in a large measurable way in terms of wage dumping, unemployment, future prospect for children, imported radical islam, crime and even terror attacks.

Also no one should pretend to forget that all the refugee numbers are without family reunion which easily could raise the numbers into one or two millions or more for germany alone.
And this apparently is just the beginning of the refugee crisis.. no one knows what the numbers will be next year or the year after that.

 

[MonorailCat]

What? I could probably go to the nearest McDonald's right now at 12 am and get a job.

Also, I am doing my Bsc in CS so I don't even have any university degree, but got plenty of part time jobs in IT already. A degree won't get you a job automatically.

Yes, a country where people who studied for 5 years are forced to work at Mc Donalds for mininum wage is perfect for introducing a million low skilled workers.
Perfect for employers of course. It will erode the minimum wage even more.

What are the social benefits/entitlements the migrants will receive in Germany? Is there a dollar amount out there about how much each migrant will cost Germans?

Minimum is about 13.000 Euro per year per refugee.

 

[LilJoka]

Yes, a country where people who studied for 5 years are forced to work at Mc Donalds for mininum wage is perfect for introducing a million low skilled workers.
Perfect for employers of course. It will erode the minimum wage even more.

Minimum is about 13.000 Euro per year per refugee.

I believe he's referring to the previous point I made that there are plenty of unskilled jobs available for migrants or residents to take up which was refuted by another member that said they cannot even get a job with a degree.

 

[jey_16]

Saudi Arabia - 0, Kuwait - 0, Qatar - 0, UAE- 0

Why?

 

[MonorailCat]

I believe he's referring to the previous point I made that there are plenty of unskilled jobs available for migrants or residents to take up which was refuted by another member that said they cannot even get a job with a degree.

In Germany it's really extreme on the job market.
If you are a (young) engineer/computer scientist/medical doctor you have free reign.
Anyone else is basically fucked. Even Engineers aged 40+ have trouble finding reasonable employment. Only "perfect specimens" have a good chance here.
I just finished my M. Sc. in Psychology and it's just hell. Anything lower than Psychology and you are bound to end up at a no-skill job even if you studied 5 years. Germany really doesn't need any more low-skilled workers.

 

[LilJoka]

In Germany it's really extreme on the job market.
If you are a (young) engineer/computer scientist/medical doctor you have free reign.
Anyone else is basically fucked. Even Engineers aged 40+ have trouble finding reasonable employment. Only "perfect specimens" have a good chance here.
I just finished my M. Sc. in Psychology and it's just hell. Anything lower than Psychology and you are bound to end up at a no-skill job even if you studied 5 years. Germany really doesn't need any more low-skilled workers.

You are saying that you are unable to get even a single job in your country? What types of jobs have you applied for? Because really it's hard to believe. It's harsh that you might not automatically find a job in your desired industry/expertise but that is normal. I have friends who have strayed completely from their degree subject by accepting that fact and are successful.

Sometimes no-skill jobs lead to skilled jobs. Another friend of mine worked in basic telephone support for customers (finance related), went to a more support role internal facing (more admin/hr type), and now deals with post sales bid analysis (excel/optimisation), he originally studied accountancy at degree level.

Psychology is a difficult one in the UK too, afaik nobody takes you serious without any experience (usually in dealing with patients in some sort of way) and usually requires a masters degree to get to the next step. And many years to become a consultant.

None of that can be attributed to net migration, only attributed to yourself.

 

[braves01]

Saudi Arabia - 0, Kuwait - 0, Qatar - 0, UAE- 0

Why?

Are there even big numbers of migrants trying to go to those places? Serious question I haven't seen any pictures of people being turned away from those places or anywhere along routes to those places.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Maybe these migrants will all create new high paying jobs for German people. Look on the bright side why not.

 

[SnowFlakeCake]

Germany opened their borders up, we in the UK were smart and did not to the same extent. I'm worried that those Germany took in will start trying to make their way to the UK, so long as Germany keep them there I couldn't care less how Germany deals with the situation. We have enough people coming into the country and signing on, really would be great if we didn't get more.

Honestly Germany must be in a totally fucked state to do what they did, basically saying to everyone and their dog to come in. It's fantastic Cameron did not buckle under the pressure, for now at least and said 20,000 can come over 5 years.

 

[MonorailCat]

You are saying that you are unable to get even a single job in your country? What types of jobs have you applied for? Because really it's hard to believe. It's harsh that you might not automatically find a job in your desired industry/expertise but that is normal. I have friends who have strayed completely from their degree subject by accepting that fact and are successful.

Sometimes no-skill jobs lead to skilled jobs. Another friend of mine worked in basic telephone support for customers (finance related), went to a more support role internal facing (more admin/hr type), and now deals with post sales bid analysis (excel/optimisation), he originally studied accountancy at degree level.

Psychology is a difficult one in the UK too, afaik nobody takes you serious without any experience (usually in dealing with patients in some sort of way) and usually requires a masters degree to get to the next step. And many years to become a consultant.

None of that can be attributed to net migration, only attributed to yourself.

Yeah I know all of that. I know I will have to work in a no skill-job because I chose the wrong degree.
What I am trying to say: Syrian refugees that don't speak German compete with people that lived in Germany all their life and studied for five years. Even skilled workers in Germany are forced to work low-skill jobs.
So why would anyone employ a refugee for minum wage when they can employ a native with a Masters in Psychology or History for the same minum wage.

 

[GIANKRATOS]

And people are okay with letting these kind of people into Germany/Europe? I'd let them drown.

This, sorry gaf. That's just disgusting

 

[Palette Swap]

Are there even big numbers of migrants trying to go to those places? Serious question I haven't seen any pictures of people being turned away from those places or anywhere along routes to those places.

Yeah. I don't mean to be offensive to middle-east GAF but these countries have a reputation of xenophobia. There's also the argument I saw a Syrian guy make: he's not fleeing religious nut jobs to go settle in a theocracy.

 

[hobblygobbly]

Denmark just shut down all rail links + main motorway into it from Germany indefinitely atm (the rail that is, motorway will be opened again soon I think). That's what I'm hearing. Not sure what the reason is but doesn't seem like all the migrants want to stay in Germany. Those that want to go to Sweden have to go through Denmark since it's easier than getting a ferry from Germany to Sweden directly for migrants.

 

[TheGravemind]

Just came across a incendiary documentary by Germany's leading left leaning TV station ZDF, where for some reason they were able to air this documentary a few weeks ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWAIKoatWM

In it they interview 2nd generation immigrants from the MidEast, those whose parents are not too dissimilar from the most recent refugees, and the attitudes displayed are shocking to say the least. The young students interviewed there refuse to marry Christians (they were of Muslim background), believe their rules of their families trump the German constitution, and express attitudes that were....self segregating to say the least. And that is with the past immigrants from a decade ago or so, not including the 800,000 likely ones coming in later this year.

Should Germany factor in how assimilable those refugees are in determining their refugee asylum policies in the face of this current crisis?

this may feel rude but
they will integrate only if they are immersed in native german people, separated from each other.
rome before the troubles brought by the goth invasion was doing exactly that and it was working.

 

[kruis]

Saudi Arabia - 0, Kuwait - 0, Qatar - 0, UAE- 0

Why?

They believe Syrians are so different from Gulf Arabs they wouldn't fit in - and it's so expensive to live in these countries that it's better to house them in Turkey.

Really.

https://videopress.com/v/Eb7FsJTl

 

[Hoya Destroyer]

It's already happening. Look at this report from German tv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnE3cFEehxg A number of the poorest people in Ludwigshafen were evicted because the houses where they lived are going to be razed to the ground so new homes for ayslum seekers can be built.

That looks grim.

it's also a right the refugees has and that's not subject to matters like cost or integration.

And thats exactly why many Euro locals will be worried about the future.

Considering the current Australian government, you got what you wanted.

Im not sure what you mean by this. Even though our conservative government caved to the media attention this crisis has gotten, things would be worse if we had a more left government in power.

 

[Hyperactivity]

I dont believe Germany has a moral obligation to help masses of people from a foreign country and foreign war at their own peoples expense.



Im not German, but I wish them luck. I suspect their circumstances are a bit like our here in Australia, where the media and vocal minority puts tremendous pressure on the Government to take in migrants/refugees, when the broad local populations opinion on the matter is not the same one.

Australia's done an excellent job with their refugee and migrant issues

A great job indeed

 

[pgtl_10]

They have traditional family values. Big deal? Most second or even third generation immigrants from Asia and Mideast have strong family values different than those descended from Europe. Most practicing Muslims won't marry out of the faith, nothing new here. Most practicing people of any faith have issues when marrying someone of another faith. You don't need these things to be a good working tax paying citizen though.

I agree. The op sounds very xenophobic. Nothing he said is any different from even non-migrants.

 

[pgtl_10]

If their home countries are declared safe before they can get the German citizenship they will be deported. Simple as that, in most cases. See what happens to a lot of Balkan refugees.
That's why we also need to improve the process of receiving the German citizenship with strict language tests, but more importantly, some sort of commitment to the Western core beliefs & values (like not hating gays & Jews, that'd be a start). If people don't qualify for that they should not be allowed to stay if they can return into a safe environment.

Except that's not a core Western belief and a lot of white supremacists hold such beliefs.

 

[jey_16]

They believe Syrians are so different from Gulf Arabs they wouldn't fit in - and it's so expensive to live in these countries that it's better to house them in Turkey.

Really.

https://videopress.com/v/Eb7FsJTl

unbelievable, but lets let Europe get all the blame for not accepting all these people

 

[Oersted]

Germany's leading left leaning TV station ZDF

Gotta applaud to you OP, trying to make it legitimate with a sneaky lie.