PdotMichael
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People like to forget the Iranians refugees after the 1979 revolution. which were often old mid and upper classes and well educated.
They were fast integrated and many of them are quite successful in Germany.
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Will Germany Be Able to Successfully Integrate Those 800,000 Migrants?
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People like to forget the Iranians refugees after the 1979 revolution. which were often old mid and upper classes and well educated.
They were fast integrated and many of them are quite successful in Germany.
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I think refugees wouldn't want to live in a country, that officially supports the refugees own dictator and doesn't condemn the gruesome acts he comitted and is comitting.Russia has loads of space, wonder if they'd come out and take in any refugees or are currently giving each other high fives in the Kremlin while they laugh at Western Europe
Kill Your Masters
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We should tag the refugees then just in case. Any jellow stars left from 45? /ss
As if they need to tag along with refugees. Plenty of ISIS fighters left with German passports to come back legally.
Also, other than whining about this situation I rarely see any alternative solution posted anywhere for how to deal with these people. Let them starve to death on the Macedonian border? Does Europe really want a new mass grave on its soil?
That's my point. Germany is fine when it gets high qualified immigrants, but it needs more effort for integrating those with low qualification.
Oh come on, the problems in education have been well known for over a decade, it is known that immigrant children have less chances to get good secondary and tertiary education. It doesn't matter if you look at PISA or IGLU or whatever study you want. At least there are some improvements but still behind the OECD average.
And for more information about the economic situation of immigrants and Germans, this should be a good start.
GeordieMark
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The USA is a significantly bigger country, with vast resources.
I think they can do it, but I don't expect it to be all plain sailing. Taking in such a big influx of people is bound to put a strain on local infrastructures, unless the German's have a typically efficient way of responding.
Bedameister
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They don't have enough money to get their whole family over to europe or they think the journey is to dangerous for their wife and kids.
Their hope is to get to the desired country safe alone and then get their families there on a legal and safe way. Because if you get a residence permit your family can come to the country as well.
Considering that many cities in the east are forced to downsize their infrastructure due to the shrinking population, the refugees could actually be a blessing for all those shrinking eastern cities. Unfortunately the eastern Germany is also more xenophobic.
eerik9000
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United States is a country built on christian European immigrants. There is a big difference between taking in other people with christian European ancestry or (mostly christian?) Asians who want to come and taking in Middle East muslims who are forced to come.
These things take time. With such a vastly different background, you know, these people will come and they'll soften to the culture a little, and the next generation a fair bit more, and even more so for the next generation.
"I won't marry a Christian," on the face of it seems fairly hardline, but they're really just looking at not complicating a family with two religions for example. On top of that, it's not something you can control absolutely, some of those that say that will end up marrying non-muslims, just because well sometimes you don't do what's you think you should do, and do what you want to.
That you're looking at integration within a generation on multiple fronts is unrealistic to me, but two or three generations in, by and large you will have cleared through the worst of it.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
people are missing the point
Immigrants largely dont integrate, they Adapt. Being able to adapt well enough so their children can live and fit in. And their children will "integrate" more into the country's culture.
Immigrants largely dont integrate, they Adapt. Being able to adapt well enough so their children can live and fit in. And their children will "integrate" more into the country's culture.
In a way its not even a question if it is possible.. at this point there is no choice for germany anyway.
And if European politicians finally wake up and get some kind of binding resolution for all member states to take a fair amount of refugees it maybe can even work.
This would also mean that all refugees can not simple choose Germany anymore as their destination (which is stupid anyway and borderline breaks EU law).
I really don't envy any politicians involved in this mess they actually have to think up some solutions for once.
And if European politicians finally wake up and get some kind of binding resolution for all member states to take a fair amount of refugees it maybe can even work.
This would also mean that all refugees can not simple choose Germany anymore as their destination (which is stupid anyway and borderline breaks EU law).
I really don't envy any politicians involved in this mess they actually have to think up some solutions for once.
Interceptor
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Except when they don´t.
Kenshin001
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Kind of crazy seeing that video and the Christian who fled Syria and then had to flee the refugee shelter he was in because he was threatened and assaulted by a Muslim. You'd think another refugee would be full of empathy, not intolerance and hate. If that is prevalent amongst the Muslim refugees Germany is in for a rough time.
is it a surprise? muslims were pushing Christians off boats coming from Libya to Italy.
Ganzlinger
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I doubt it.
And people are okay with letting these kind of people into Germany/Europe? I'd let them drown.
BreezyLimbo
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Oh, I remember hearing about that story. Man, there are some fucked people out there. Refugees most of all you'd think would have empathy for people in the same situation, despite their religion.
Is it really that surprising? Radical Islam isn't just a doctrine for terrorists, there are supporters for them in the general population as well. And it's really hard to separate moderate vs. radical Islamists once they enter your border.
Lovely Salsa
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Integrate? You'll always have people that hate your guts as soon as they see you. They wouldn't give a shit if you're integrated or not. Or if you're the same inside as them. Wrong look and you're out. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people like this, atleast in northern europe and probably Germany too(don't they HATE turks there, or anyone that even remotely looks turkish?).
I say good luck to the Syrians, it certainly won't be easy
I say good luck to the Syrians, it certainly won't be easy
Maedre
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no, we don't hate. Thats bullshit. But we have 50 years of Turks behind us that wont integrate and there is a fear that these Syrians will act the same.
Lovely Salsa
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You always hear a story here on GAF where someone brings a friend, from example latin america, to Germany and that friend gets treated like shit because the locals thought the said friend was turkish.
Maedre
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jeah, its a problem. But you will have this problem in every society where parts of the population dont want to integrate. : /
Lovely Salsa
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which in the end becomes a cycle. Those that want to integrate will have difficulties to do so, thanks to their looks.
Napalm_Frank
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This is actually a very interesting topic that usually is on the sidelines. Anecdotal evidence for me is that most (and especially the most vocal) anti-immigration ppl both in politics and everyday life are men. It usually is considered a joke as you do (they taking our women). Well, if the vast majority of the refugees are men then with my simple logic that means that more and more men would end up with the short stick be it the natives or the immigrants and sexually frustrated young males are the best recipe for a good time bomb.
It would be interestimg to see if the situation truly has a correlation to sexes. Lets pretend that for some reason the huge majority of refugee seekers were young females, would the anti-immigration ideology tip toward women or is there another reason it seems to be a man thing.
I for one suggest we all embrace the gay side and throw a big orgy at the reception centers.
we should have the capacity and the resources, but the populus seems unwilling. or atleast, they scream the loudest. my facebookfeed is sad to look at.
it will be a bumpy road, but i think we can do this.
my only fear is, an daesh fighter pulls a bombing here and the populus shuts down or blame the refugees. this would probably be like a deathsentence to the "open" borders.
it will be a bumpy road, but i think we can do this.
my only fear is, an daesh fighter pulls a bombing here and the populus shuts down or blame the refugees. this would probably be like a deathsentence to the "open" borders.
BreezyLimbo
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That would be the worst case scenario. At the same time I imagine alot of people would condemn only that one person who carried out the attack, but for everyone else they would suspect any and all refugees, especially if the majority are young men.
once the euphoria dies down all the same shit will reveal itself that Germany has been dealing for the past 40 years: loads of people with insufficient level of education who can't find a job, low language skills, people who are unwilling to integrate, cultural clashes etc.
People thinking this will go over smoothly and that the refugees will be a benefit to society are being hopelessly naive. Germany is better prepared though compared to the last migrant wave.
People thinking this will go over smoothly and that the refugees will be a benefit to society are being hopelessly naive. Germany is better prepared though compared to the last migrant wave.
The US has to take in refugees just because we are a big nation? Last time I checked we can barely take care of our own poor and homeless people.
Those people should be sent to other muslim countries that have a more suitable environment like UAE or Saudi Arabia, etc. Not saying that we don't allow them but a mass of people, where would they even stay? It is true we have a ton of undeveloped land but we don't have empty houses/apartments everywhere. Its actually quite crowded but I do live in the 4th largest city.
Wish wars and shit like this were a thing of the past and the world was peaceful
Those people should be sent to other muslim countries that have a more suitable environment like UAE or Saudi Arabia, etc. Not saying that we don't allow them but a mass of people, where would they even stay? It is true we have a ton of undeveloped land but we don't have empty houses/apartments everywhere. Its actually quite crowded but I do live in the 4th largest city.
Wish wars and shit like this were a thing of the past and the world was peaceful
If the UK could weigh anchor and float West to get further away from the mess it created it would.
MonorailCat
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People in Germany will suffer. Especially the current poor people.
Welfare cuts will happen to finance 1 Million new people that need medical aid and probably will never work here.
If the amount of refugees per month stays the same over the next year Germany will crumble. No way to finance 1 Million refugees every year.
Welfare cuts will happen to finance 1 Million new people that need medical aid and probably will never work here.
If the amount of refugees per month stays the same over the next year Germany will crumble. No way to finance 1 Million refugees every year.
How on Earth is that a good argument? We've taken in a thousand Syrian refugees out of 4 million. That's pathetic. We absolutely can increase the number of refugees we take in with minimal stress to our social systems, because we're already taking in barely any.
If anything, we should both be trying to strengthen our social safety nets and taking in more refugees.
There are tons of empty homes in the US. Certainly enough to take in more refugees.
It's not a fucking million.
MonorailCat
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Not yet.
But the OFFICIAL prognosis is *at least* 800.000 till the end of the year.
And official numbers in Germany are always way too small.
To be exact, we don't choose to take care of our own poor and homeless people. We have plenty of empty houses and wasted food at the same time that people go hungry and live on the streets, we just don't want to let them have them because we're afraid it would somehow undermine capitalism.
Yeah, OK
http://www.pbs.org/destinationamerica/usim_wn_noflash.html More recently, there's some 40 million immigrants in the US in 2015 alone.
callhitman
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I haven't followed the crisis much. But I think it's a very bad idea by many European countries to take all the refugee. Middle eastern people seem to have the hardest time becoming part of a different culture. And unless it's demand to a point it will cause nothing g but trouble. My family moved to the us from india we understood part of what we came to the us was for the culture and what it stood for. People have to know it's a deal not a handout.
Fixed lol.
All the safe refugees in Lebanon have seen all the others going to Europe for a slice and now want a piece. Now on the news they want to leave Lebanon and go Europe like everyone else.
It's not going to end, as more and more think they can just go Europe for an easier life.
Why do people always pull this shit out as reason for accepting mass immigration or refugees. It is an irrelevant argument.
Not really, it has an impact on their economy especially if you look at what many may call "minorities" and their generated income. It's in their favour to do this.
quackamole
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They absolutely need to secure their borders. They can take 800000 this year, but what about next year, and the next? Middle east and Africa isn't getting better anytime soon, Europe will be dealing with more and more refugees and migrants.
Dixon's Jet
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It must be another world when you believe that women are basically your slaves, while the people around you confirm this by invoking god and family as the justification.
Sitting children down to have them memorize the Koran like that is a waste of time. The Koran is interesting to study if you're interested in the text itself or a better understanding of how Islam may have influenced culture, there are other reasons too.
These absurdly popular faith ideologies are taken too seriously. It's tragic to see young kids reciting the Koran, and imagining them doing this many times as a lesson. It's a poor waste of time.
Sitting children down to have them memorize the Koran like that is a waste of time. The Koran is interesting to study if you're interested in the text itself or a better understanding of how Islam may have influenced culture, there are other reasons too.
These absurdly popular faith ideologies are taken too seriously. It's tragic to see young kids reciting the Koran, and imagining them doing this many times as a lesson. It's a poor waste of time.
That's not true at all and has been disproved many times. Immigrants are rarely beneficial to society unless they are already highly educated.
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