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Windows PCs will have an AI photographic memory feature called “Recall,” which will take constant screenshots of everything you do

Shin-Ra

Shin-Ra

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www.bbc.co.uk

Microsoft Copilot+ Recall feature 'privacy nightmare'

The ICO wants to know the safeguards around Recall, which can take screengrabs of your screen every few seconds.
www.bbc.co.uk

What could possibly go wrong.

Funny we were talking about the dangers of this just a few weeks ago.

www.neogaf.com

Valorant/Riot Vanguard can now take screenshots of your PC screen without you knowing

This is a big deal because Riot is launching Vanguard (the anti-cheat that does this) with League of Legends.
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As we all know, Microsoft always respects user choice.

Deceptive Patterns - Featured Brands - Microsoft

A selection of deceptive patterns involving the brand Microsoft.
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I’d heard about Edge discouraging the use of Chrome with popups but this one’s new to me.

arstechnica.com

Microsoft Edge is apparently usurping Chrome on people’s PCs

An apparent bug that plays into criticisms of how Microsoft pushes Edge.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com

(Tom Warren excuses included)
 
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lefty1117

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I was watching Satya talk about this and thinking "what the hell are you doing dude..." I say this as an overall fan of MS products. This Recall feature is not going to go over well and he seems out of touch with the general mood to be pushing it this way. Linux indeed.

Speaking of which, we need a Linux thread. Do we have a linux thread?
 
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StereoVsn

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Stitch said:
The EU to Microsoft:

No Way GIF
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Would they though? Or would they want MS to scan for content they don’t like?
 
splattered

splattered

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I can see this being extremely useful on work pcs but no way would people be OK with this in consumer models.

And some of you people act like it's just Microsoft chasing AI. Pretty much all big companies have a stake in it now one way or another.
 
Gaelyon

Gaelyon

Member
Wife : Honey, did you order the plane tickets for our summer trip ?
Me : hum, yeah sure I did... was it wednesday I can't remember...
Wife : well you could just ask Windows to recall.
Me : Oh yeah sure, Windows ! recall my activities wednesday morning ?
Windows : "Pornhub"
Me : Eeer yeah no I mean thuesday morning
Windows : "Pornhub"
Me : Must be a bug, recall monday morning
Windows : Visio with Samantha's Only Fans
Wife : Who. Is. Samantha ?
Me : Damnit Nutella !
 
SyberWolf

SyberWolf

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time for steam to release the new steamos for desktops. i know there are modded iso's but i'd rather have a official iso.

edit: +1 for linux / linux gaming thread
 
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Danknugz

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Barakov said:
Great. Another slider I need to turn off.
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you're missing the fearmongering point of this thread brother. you're not supposed to know that you can just turn it off, you're supposed to join the chorus of people saying MS is invading everyone's lives with windows
 
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UniformDeliverance

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If you want ai to be a personal assistant that can aid you autonomously in the tasks you do on your pc.. it needs to see what you’re doing. Some of the use case applications here are neat if you take the time to watch the videos instead of react to a headline.

Also.. I’m a bit amused by the comments around privacy and work. Nothing you do on the internet is private, especially if you’re on an imaged work device. Come now.
 
Doom_master1122

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Been on Linux since Windows10X, and watched it get canned and rebranded as Windows 11. Every day Microsoft does something with Windows, makes me glad I went with my guts and jumped ship. With the popularity of the Steam Deck (And to credit the old SteamOS from Steam Machines for being the origin for the device), Linux is slowly gaining ground as more and more people are using the deck and slowly learning Linux. Also with distros being far more accessible and easy to use than ever before, many people are starting to discover there are other options.

lefty1117 said:
Speaking of which, we need a Linux thread. Do we have a linux thread?
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Would be fantastic to have one. Help garner interest for new comers and conversations for veterans.


Danknugz said:
you're missing the fearmongering point of this thread brother. you're not supposed to know that you can just turn it off, you're supposed to join the chorus of people saying MS is invading everyone's lives with windows
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Its not really about "fearmongering". While sure a lot of people will just read the headlines and freakout, many will also get the details involved with it. This is less about the now and more about what this can spiral into. Currently screenshots and recordings are local and also do not censor private information.
Open a password manager and reveal your password? Screenshotted.
On your online banking? Screenshotted.
Private conversations and just minding your own business? Screenshotted.
Since this stuff is stored on the local machine only a matter of time before there's an exploit for malicious attacker to start hijacking this information. And that's not to say that down the line Microsoft wont expand upon this feature and bring it to into a data collection sphere where it will be used for targeted advertisement. Again, it currently isn't that way, but it certainly can be a thing that's silently added. Being able to turn things off in Windows is fine and all, however much of the telemetry in Windows 11 (hell even back in 10) right now either flips itself back on after an update, or requires deeper amounts of system editing just to actually turn off some types of data collection.
This doesn't even begin to talk about how much more bloated the OS is becoming. When we jumped from XP to Vista the level of hardware requirement had a massive jump. This is just adding more and more to an already bloated OS.
 
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Danknugz

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Doom_master1122 said:
Been on Linux since Windows10X, and watched it get canned and rebranded as Windows 11. Every day Microsoft does something with Windows, makes me glad I went with my guts and jumped ship. With the popularity of the Steam Deck (And to credit the old SteamOS from Steam Machines for being the origin for the device), Linux is slowly gaining ground as more and more people are using the deck and slowly learning Linux. Also with distros being far more accessible and easy to use than ever before, many people are starting to discover there are other options.


Would be fantastic to have one. Help garner interest for new comers and conversations for veterans.




Its not really about "fearmongering". While sure a lot of people will just read the headlines and freakout, many will also get the details involved with it. This is less about the now and more about what this can spiral into. Currently screenshots and recordings are local and also do not censor private information.
Open a password manager and reveal your password? Screenshotted.
On your online banking? Screenshotted.
Private conversations and just minding your own business? Screenshotted.
Since this stuff is stored on the local machine only a matter of time before there's an exploit for malicious attacker to start hijacking this information. And that's not to say that down the line Microsoft wont expand upon this feature and bring it to into a data collection sphere where it will be used for targeted advertisement. Again, it currently isn't that way, but it certainly can be a thing that's silently added. Being able to turn things off in Windows is fine and all, however much of the telemetry in Windows 11 (hell even back in 10) right now either flips itself back on after an update, or requires deeper amounts of system editing just to actually turn off some types of data collection.
This doesn't even begin to talk about how much more bloated the OS is becoming. When we jumped from XP to Vista the level of hardware requirement had a massive jump. This is just adding more and more to an already bloated OS.
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IANAL, but seems to be a matter of perspective on what the user agrees to, and how it's handled. take for example an ssl interception firewall that only works when you accept the devices certificate in your browser. by taking that action whether you're aware of the implications or not, you've now allowed that device to inspect all your traffic. in certain environments your device might be controlled externally and the cert pushed down without your knowledge, but when you took the job you signed off on the fine print that allowed it.

but agree on the bloated part. started with cortana, no one liked or wanted it, i remember people at work who aren't computer people (lawyers, accountants etc) ragging on it. and they're really piling it on with another attempt this time thinking ai will convince people. no one wants or uses these kind of things unless you're maybe disabled or need some kind of assistance usin a keyboard.
 
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Bojanglez

Bojanglez

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Danknugz said:
IANAL, but seems to be a matter of perspective on what the user agrees to, and how it's handled. take for example an ssl interception firewall that only works when you accept the devices certificate in your browser. by taking that action whether you're aware of the implications or not, you've now allowed that device to inspect all your traffic. in certain environments your device might be controlled externally and the cert pushed down without your knowledge, but when you took the job you signed off on the fine print that allowed it.

but agree on the bloated part. started with cortana, no one liked or wanted it, i remember people at work who aren't computer people (lawyers, accountants etc) ragging on it. and they're really piling it on with another attempt this time thinking ai will convince people. no one wants or uses these kind of things unless you're maybe disabled or need some kind of assistance usin a keyboard.
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I do wonder if one of the selling points of all this is for Microsoft to be able to sell this in to corporates. Basically monitoring all "Copilot+ PC" workstations, and able to query the AI to give them a summary of what the employees are doing all day, who is the most productive, who is messing around etc.
 
Draugoth

Draugoth

Gold Member
You could just sue them for easy money over Privacy Breach in multiple countries, who the hell think this is a good idea?
 
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Syphon Filter

Member
lefty1117 said:
I was watching Satya talk about this and thinking "what the hell are you doing dude..." I say this as an overall fan of MS products. This Recall feature is not going to go over well and he seems out of touch with the general mood to be pushing it this way. Linux indeed.

Speaking of which, we need a Linux thread. Do we have a linux thread?
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SyberWolf said:
time for steam to release the new steamos for desktops. i know there are modded iso's but i'd rather have a official iso.

edit: +1 for linux / linux gaming thread
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Sethbacca said:
Definitely need one.
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Doom_master1122 said:
Been on Linux since Windows10X, and watched it get canned and rebranded as Windows 11. Every day Microsoft does something with Windows, makes me glad I went with my guts and jumped ship. With the popularity of the Steam Deck (And to credit the old SteamOS from Steam Machines for being the origin for the device), Linux is slowly gaining ground as more and more people are using the deck and slowly learning Linux. Also with distros being far more accessible and easy to use than ever before, many people are starting to discover there are other options.


Would be fantastic to have one. Help garner interest for new comers and conversations for veterans.




Its not really about "fearmongering". While sure a lot of people will just read the headlines and freakout, many will also get the details involved with it. This is less about the now and more about what this can spiral into. Currently screenshots and recordings are local and also do not censor private information.
Open a password manager and reveal your password? Screenshotted.
On your online banking? Screenshotted.
Private conversations and just minding your own business? Screenshotted.
Since this stuff is stored on the local machine only a matter of time before there's an exploit for malicious attacker to start hijacking this information. And that's not to say that down the line Microsoft wont expand upon this feature and bring it to into a data collection sphere where it will be used for targeted advertisement. Again, it currently isn't that way, but it certainly can be a thing that's silently added. Being able to turn things off in Windows is fine and all, however much of the telemetry in Windows 11 (hell even back in 10) right now either flips itself back on after an update, or requires deeper amounts of system editing just to actually turn off some types of data collection.
This doesn't even begin to talk about how much more bloated the OS is becoming. When we jumped from XP to Vista the level of hardware requirement had a massive jump. This is just adding more and more to an already bloated OS.
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Yes there is a thread for linux

www.neogaf.com

|OT| - GAFs big house of Linux |OT| for gamers, ricers, newbs and greybeards - because it's free as in freedom!

Does any of this sound appealing to you? - Do not trust MS or Apple to always have your best interests at hand - Go beyond the mandated corporate owned walled gardens - Want to PC game but don't want to be under Microsoft's watch - Rehabilitate and repurpose "outdated" hardware - Want a user...
www.neogaf.com www.neogaf.com
 
Shin-Ra

Shin-Ra

Junior Member
Danknugz said:
you're missing the fearmongering point of this thread brother. you're not supposed to know that you can just turn it off, you're supposed to join the chorus of people saying MS is invading everyone's lives with windows
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So you turn it off. Does it turn off the screenshot capture (properly, no bugs) or just the ‘AI’ analysis, keeping the screenshots for later in case you turn the feature on later?

Will Microsoft respect the user’s decision to turn it off or nag them in a variety of crafty ways, so they don’t get used to clicking the same looking button in the same place?

Will updates to the operating system, or major version updates reset options to defaults without clear prompts for sensitive settings?

Is it always clear when the feature’s enabled, so multiple users of the same account on a PC know the setting’s been changed?
 
Drell

Drell

Member
Danknugz said:
you're missing the fearmongering point of this thread brother. you're not supposed to know that you can just turn it off, you're supposed to join the chorus of people saying MS is invading everyone's lives with windows
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Just like there were ways to install Windows 11 without an MS account and now they patched everything so you can't? Yeah sure let's just deactivate things until nice guys MS makes it mandatory...
 
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Danknugz

Member
Drell said:
Just like there were ways to install Windows 11 without an MS account and now they patched everything so you can't? Yeah sure let's just deactivate things until nice guys MS makes it mandatory...
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Shin-Ra said:
So you turn it off. Does it turn off the screenshot capture (properly, no bugs) or just the ‘AI’ analysis, keeping the screenshots for later in case you turn the feature on later?

Will Microsoft respect the user’s decision to turn it off or nag them in a variety of crafty ways, so they don’t get used to clicking the same looking button in the same place?

Will updates to the operating system, or major version updates reset options to defaults without clear prompts for sensitive settings?

Is it always clear when the feature’s enabled, so multiple users of the same account on a PC know the setting’s been changed?
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It's true, i'm not arguing that MS isnt sketchy and fly by night with a lot of their software. But it's definitely not some Orsl Wells OS that doesn't give the user an option. You might need IT knowledge to fully protect yourself, but that could be said for most internet computing these days.
 
Roxkis_ii

Roxkis_ii

Member
Man, the more I hear about Ai from Microsoft, the futher I want it from any device I'm using.

This is mind numbingly stupid.
 
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semiconscious

semiconscious

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i'm convinced that these folks live in such an isolated bubble world that they genuinely believe that the rest of will find innovations like this reassuring/comforting. i really do believe that they're actually that out of touch...
 
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Frwrd

Frwrd

Member
Bojanglez said:
I think the thread title is overselling it, this isn't for all Windows PCs, just the new "Copilot+ PCs". They have to have a special chip on the device (branded as NPU) that handles all these machine learning operations locally. MS claim none of it is going back to the cloud, but I wouldn't trust them. Then again I wouldn't trust MS wouldn't be sending any of my computer usage data back to the cloud in some way, so I don't use any Windows machine.
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Nothing against you Bojanglez Bojanglez

But also:
Dr Evil Whatever GIF
 
SminkyPinky

SminkyPinky

Neo Member
Bojanglez said:
I do wonder if one of the selling points of all this is for Microsoft to be able to sell this in to corporates. Basically monitoring all "Copilot+ PC" workstations, and able to query the AI to give them a summary of what the employees are doing all day, who is the most productive, who is messing around etc.
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this will happen - why wouldn't a company leverage such information?
 
Gamerguy84

Gamerguy84

Member
I use mint as well on one of my laptops. That could easily turn into every computer I own.

Mint is pretty user friendly and there is a ton of guides, videos, community to help with anything you want to get done.

You can dual boot for a while and when you get comfortable enough just use a distro of linux and if you gotta use windows then use it as a VM.
 
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