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[alabtrosMyster]

The "next-gen console," as he refers to it repeatedly

All that features and capabilities talk looks pretty interesting. However, the devil is in the details, if I have to have another generation at 1080p/30fps to enjoy raytracing in my games... I'd rather pass and get 4k/60 (or even lower resolution) with all around greater details, than what we have now (I know, developers tend to put an emphasis on the shiny stuff, so I suspect that there are more chances of ray tracing than high performance, and enhanced playability.

As for its name, there is a part of me that thinks Sony will call their machines "Playstation" bare, and add some suffix to the model.

 

[dolabla]

This thing has to be backwards compatible with PS1 and 2 (and hopefully 3), right? Seems like it would be an easy thing to do via emulation given the power this thing is going to have. Maybe they're going to announce that at the official announcement? Super excited about PS4 BC.

 

[Achillias]

You come at a ps5 thread for post that and still ask this?
Why not wait for Microsoft to post their next gen info instead of whining about playstation here?

You need to grab a dictionary and learn the definition of "whining" you're out of your mind with hallucination symptoms.

 

[Afro Republican]

That all caps sony related title reminds me of a user. Can't quite put my finger on it.

 

[Ovek]

If the PS5 has 24 GBs of RAM, my head will explode.

Maybe in the PS5 Pro

 

[petran79]

Hope they dont release multiple hardware revisions with ssd reserved for the Pro model

 

[shark sandwich]

These things ain't cheap buddy.

I highly, highly doubt they'll use an M2 SSD. Probably a regular SSD with some tweaking for better performance.

Prices have dropped like a rock recently, and an NVMe drive could be soldered directly to the motherboard like they do with some laptops. I don't think it's out of the question.

 

[Calibos]

"Sony undercuts Microsoft"

HYPERBOLE CLICK ME!!!!!


This announce has me instantly excited for E3. Two stumbles for me though are going after 8K support and physical media. It seems as if physical media could become a limiting factor in scope and scale of games very soon. Although, I guess you could ship on 2 blu-rays...

8k is a ridiculous thing to tout right now...how about we get 4k 60 or actual good AI, destruction and physics before we jump on the 8k bandwagon.

 

[jonnyp]

A semi custom nvme ssd makes sense, after all they are no longer making huge profits with proprietary vita cards, so they need another proprietary product (accessory/add on) to sell.

Pretty sure you will not be able to upgrade the internal SSD in PS5 but hopefully there is a bay to install an optional HDD.

 

[DonF]

It definitely won't. Most of the gaming population won't be able to afford it if it did.

BELIEVE

 

[onQ123]

With ReRam you wouldn't have to load a game because the game would basically be in main memory & there is other benefits & from the look of things Crossbar & others are preparing ReRam for the mass market


https://www.crossbar-inc.com/en/products/t-series/

https://www.crossbar-inc.com/en/products/solutions/

https://www.crossbar-inc.com/en/applications/mobile-computing/

 

[Ogbert]

"Sony undercuts Microsoft"

HYPERBOLE CLICK ME!!!!!


This announce has me instantly excited for E3. Two stumbles for me though are going after 8K support and physical media. It seems as if physical media could become a limiting factor in scope and scale of games very soon. Although, I guess you could ship on 2 blu-rays...

He's such a tit.

 

[demigod]

Dude needs to stfu with hearing stuff and not saying anything and then comes out with "i heard this before" after it's revealed. Hey guess what, everyone heard it before your tweet.

 

[Dabaus]

And this also confirms it even further that Jason Schrier is full of shit. Don't believe what that twat says. Dev kits have been out for a while now.

Ive been saying this for awhile now. He has consistently downplayed all next gen rumors as if it is this far off thing while insiders left and right were talking about devs having devkits already. Last year sqaure enix had on linked in they were working on a ps5 title and Jason is out there saying sony first party devs dont even have dev kits! Either he is purposely running interference because hes a good corporate shill or devs dont trust him enough to give him any reliable information.

Poor Voost Kain. All his threads for nothing. Or will he take it to another level come June? Stay tuned!

"Microsoft should buy all third party devs so sony wont stand a chance."
"Microsoft will have the Best e3 of all time and sony is doomed."
"Sea of theives is the best game of all time."
"Why crackdown 3 is actually better than God of war."

 

[hivsteak]

I really want to know about the RAM specs. I understand they're probably waiting on developer feedback before they finalize it.

I'm excited about backwards compatibility and upgrading my PC for next gen.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Very curious on how they're going to pull this one off without pricing it into DOA territory. Should be a very interesting year ahead of us, can't wait!

 

[DeepEnigma]

This is such a fucking Sony way of doing this. Microsoft has had the press frothing at the mouth for months about next xbox, streaming, gamepass, backwards compatibility, Arrogant Sony... And then Sony sends out Cerny, on a random as fuck Tuesday in April, to have a casual fireside chat with Wired where he spills all the PS5 beans.

Never change Sony, never change.

Perfect

 

[Arun1910]

8K is overkill in my eyes, BUT it does lead to me thinking we will hopefully get 4K Native at 60fps, and the 8K will be 30fps. There has to be some performance increase by going to half the resolution, and i hope its in framerate.

Going from PC to PS4 Exclusives is so jarring. Whilst I'm cautiously excited for Days Gone, I am worried how I am going to be with the 30fps now that my PC spoilers me.

 

[GoldenEye98]

I'm curious as to the capacity of the SSD, because getting something that's at least comparable in space to a PS4's drive won't be cheap even in 2020. And 500GB would hardly be enough considering ballooning game sizes... ideally, you'd have at least a 1TB drive.

It's probably going to be 1TB. 500GB too little and 2TB will still cost too much.

 

[Shin]

It definitely won't. Most of the gaming population won't be able to afford it if it did.

Considering 8K graphics is mentioned non-nonchalantly who knows, memory doesn't cost that much.
And they need the bandwidth to support such high resolutions, HBM2 is out of the question so ducktape more GDDR6's.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Ray tracing to me signals the 60 fps everything dream isn't going to happen. I'm cool with it but 60 fps and Ray Tracing isn't gonna happen.

Love the idea of moving to faster storage. Huge undersight this gen.

Ray Tracing is pretty processor intense, but they could also use Path Tracing which isn't as CPU intense and gets close to the same result. Which I could totally see developers going with the Path Tracing option to get the best bang for your buck.

These things ain't cheap buddy.

I highly, highly doubt they'll use an M2 SSD. Probably a regular SSD with some tweaking for better performance.

I don't think it is going to be a regular SSD, Mark Cerny said "that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs" which if that is the drive has to be a NVMe type drive that is faster than what is currently out there, which right now are already insanely fast!

 

[Shin]

I don't think it is going to be a regular SSD,

I think it will be but they did something between the I/O, for a lack of a better word some kind of customization to speed up data transfer.

 

[meirl]

Why would they reveal this now via a stupid article. Lol

 

[shark sandwich]

It'll be an NVMe drive with the NAND chips soldered directly to the motherboard, and who knows, maybe the APU will have the NVMe controller integrated.

 

[Geki-D]

I can't wait to double dip on those 3 games.

Yeah, I think the wait might be too hard for me too. Hopefully they release round the time the PS5 launches (like 2 or 3 months) so I don't have to double dip. Assuming, of course, the PS5 versions are launch titles

 

[DeepEnigma]

"Sony undercuts Microsoft"

HYPERBOLE CLICK ME!!!!!


This announce has me instantly excited for E3. Two stumbles for me though are going after 8K support and physical media. It seems as if physical media could become a limiting factor in scope and scale of games very soon. Although, I guess you could ship on 2 blu-rays...

8k is a ridiculous thing to tout right now...how about we get 4k 60 or actual good AI, destruction and physics before we jump on the 8k bandwagon.

The 8K remark just confirms it'll be a least HDMI 2.1. It'll also be fantastic for rendering screenshots for virtual photographers.

Don't lose your head beyond that.

 

[Aurelian]

Possibly a hybrid, you have both, more frequently used items would be on SSD for quick access, long-term storage on HDD. (?) Say a 1tb or less SSD, than if you want more storage you buy a HDD, if you can use your PS4 HDD that would be a plus.... just move your HDD over from the PS4.

The challenge would be keeping the speed up in that regard. You'd have to copy the games to the SSD ahead of time so that there's never any bottlenecking when a game needs it.

I'd say the more realistic move is to just include a 1TB SSD and soak up some of the cost. Mind you, it'd be wild to think of a console with an SSD larger than what you find on most laptops.

 

[Aurelian]

It's probably going to be 1TB. 500GB too little and 2TB will still cost too much.

I'm starting to think that'll be the case. With that said, I won't be surprised if the PS5 costs $500 and still requires that Sony take a loss on each unit for the first year or two.

 

[DonF]

8K is overkill in my eyes, BUT it does lead to me thinking we will hopefully get 4K Native at 60fps, and the 8K will be 30fps. There has to be some performance increase by going to half the resolution, and i hope its in framerate.

Going from PC to PS4 Exclusives is so jarring. Whilst I'm cautiously excited for Days Gone, I am worried how I am going to be with the 30fps now that my PC spoilers me.

I remember a leak saying the focus was 4k and 8k was checkerboard, like ps4 pro. Sounds legit to at least have the capability to display 8k.

 

[Fake]

You need to grab a dictionary and learn the definition of "whining" you're out of your mind with hallucination symptoms.

I suggest you follow my advice mate. Move on.

Why would they reveal this now via a stupid article. Lol

Quite easy to answer. Leaks. They are true after all. Its hard at this point for Sony to control those information. Most of the leaks from 'PS5 LEAK' thread are correct. So, why keep secret?

 

[longdi]

Wow this came out of no where and so damn casual!
Loving the specs choices, in Cerny we trust!

 

[GermanZepp]

If the PS5 has 24 GBs of RAM, my head will explode.

I was team 16GB of ram with some extra for OS, but these specks sound awesome, Sony might give us a truly nextgen machine, if it's 24GB ram going to have and orgasm. Bring it!

 

[Fake]

D dark10x please make a video about this on DF.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I remember a leak saying the focus was 4k and 8k was checkerboard, like ps4 pro. Sounds legit to at least have the capability to display 8k.

Also confirms HDMI 2.1 minimal spec, and more than likely VRR built into that spec since almost every new Sony TV this year will support VRR, fast switching, and lower latency auto game mode.

They are also releasing their 8K model as well.

 

[Geki-D]

'd say the more realistic move is to just include a 1TB SSD and soak up some of the cost.

I'd assume Sony are going to make a loss on each console and play the long game, considering the tech. I'm not even sure Sony's hardware is where the money is at anyway for them, seeing as PSN makes more money than all of Nintendo & Xbox put together. I can definitely imagine them selling at a loss to make up the money from PSN later on.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

D dark10x please make a video about this on DF.

Digital Foundry has already begun crunching the numbers on what it expects from PlayStation 5 based on today's details. We'll have that live soon.

Taken from: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-04-16-sony-reveals-first-playstation-5-details

Looking forward to this.

 

[Dabaus]

Why would they reveal this now via a stupid article. Lol

-Because Sony is comfortable/confident that the specs theyve chosen are "powerful enough" for next gen.
-Microsoft will probably be more powerful so announce first without exact details to at least be apart of the conversation
-Gives 3rd parties leeway to announce next gen games should they want to
-Microsoft is erratic and unpredictable right now so it makes sense to take everyone by surprise by going first
-Microsofts e3 will probably heavily focus on next gen. Had sony not announced anything until today they risk losing mindshare

 

[Saber]

Yay, finally!

And great news indeed! I for one am very satisfied with backwards compatibility. Lets move foward! Also, can't wait to see DF take on this.

 

[Fake]

Digital Foundry has already begun crunching the numbers on what it expects from PlayStation 5 based on today's details. We'll have that live soon.

Taken from: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-04-16-sony-reveals-first-playstation-5-details

Looking forward to this.

YES. Today is a wonderful day.

Digital Foundry has already begun crunching the numbers on what it expects from PlayStation 5 based on today's details. We'll have that live soon.

 

[Gamernyc78]

"Sony undercuts Microsoft"

HYPERBOLE CLICK ME!!!!!


This announce has me instantly excited for E3. Two stumbles for me though are going after 8K support and physical media. It seems as if physical media could become a limiting factor in scope and scale of games very soon. Although, I guess you could ship on 2 blu-rays...

8k is a ridiculous thing to tout right now...how about we get 4k 60 or actual good AI, destruction and physics before we jump on the 8k bandwagon.

Again! This isn't different than what they did with Ps3 and PS4. Ps3 touted 1080 p which was mostly reserved for movies, PS4 touted 4k which was mostly for movies and a few non graphically intensive games, mostly ps3 remaster and PS5 will be the same. We all know thy are just saying 8k capable which is great for later on if we ever get 8k movies on Netflix lol. Like Sony has an established history of this trend.

 

[longdi]

I was team 16GB of ram with some extra for OS, but these specks sound awesome, Sony might give us a truly nextgen machine, if it's 24GB ram going to have and orgasm. Bring it!

Ram, nand prices are coming down at the perfect time for Sony!
Crazy ass SSD speeds too!
24GB baseline is dream come true!

 

[Shifty]

My tub is ready!

Ah, the Pro package. An excellent choice!

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

It'll be an NVMe drive with the NAND chips soldered directly to the motherboard, and who knows, maybe the APU will have the NVMe controller integrated.

While I do see that as a more cost effective solution, my only issue with this is that SSD drives only have so many read/write IOPS so once we start hitting those limits (which you will because the drive will be so active) and it ends up shitting the bed then what do we do? I think it will end up being a removable drive just because of this.

 

[DForce]

Why would they reveal this now via a stupid article. Lol

Well, you can see a lot of positive news, which means it was a good idea to announce that there will be a PlayStation 5 next generation, along with a few details regarding the specs.

They're in competition with Microsoft, and an announcement of a next gen Xbox console will not receive nearly as much hype knowing that Sony has already announced similar specs.

What this also could mean is that Sony will probably have something to show during E3 week and it's not going to be about next gen hardware, but about upcoming PS4 titles. If Last of Us Part II release date is announced or shown off, then it will likely take away some momentum away from Microsoft.

 

[GermanZepp]

SO my boy onQ123 how are going to accommodate you predictions with this info?

Spoiler

I'm joking man, always enjoy reading your thoughts,

 

[Kenpachii]

Mark Cerny interview here:

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

• 8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.
• Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.
• Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade.
• Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC:
  Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation.
• Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.
• New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').
• Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).
• Physical Media.
• Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.
• Four years in development so far.
• 2020.

If history is any guide, it will eventually be dubbed the PlayStation 5. For now, Cerny responds to that question—and many others—with an enigmatic smile. The "next-gen console," as he refers to it repeatedly, won't be landing in stores anytime in 2019. A number of studios have been working with it, though, and Sony recently accelerated its deployment of devkits so that game creators will have the time they need to adjust to its capabilities.

PlayStation's next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD's Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company's new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon's Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments. While ray tracing is a staple of Hollywood visual effects and is beginning to worm its way into $10,000 high-end processors, no game console has been able to manage it. Yet


*Sorry mods for the all caps title, just copy and pasted the headline, change if needed.

Plus can add to title its a Mark Cerny interview if you think it needs it showing its not rumor.

So basically nothing new.

BC with PS4 was a given, would be absolutely idiotic to not include it as there whole online platform would be seen as a joke.

Faster then any current SSD means nothing. If your load time is reduced from 16>1 second then having a 10 times faster SSD will only result in a 0.9 sec gain, barely noticable. Typical cerny language to hype things up. Guess its going to be there new buzzword for E3.

Also SSD was kinda a given with 4k textures etc and more data being pushed a normal HDD will probably hit limitations. The size of it can also be fairly small as it only has to take up a few games anyway.

Raytracing is doable on probably any vega, means also completely nothing.

In otherwords a whole load of nothing.

While I do see that as a more cost effective solution, my only issue with this is that SSD drives only have so many read/write IOPS so once we start hitting those limits (which you will because the drive will be so active) and it ends up shitting the bed then what do we do? I think it will end up being a removable drive just because of this.

Like they care, they rather have you buy a new playstation every few years then sit on it for a entire generation.

 

[Geki-D]

-Microsoft will probably be more powerful so announce first without exact details to at least be apart of the conversation

Why would they reveal this now via a stupid article. Lol

Why not? People seem to think this stuff has to be at E3, but why? We live in the age of instant communication, where these companies can tell us about whatever they want whenever they want.
E3 was good for 2 things:
-It was a set date where game companies *had* to show something
-People who went got to play the booths.

Nintendo has pretty much set the standard that companies don't need E3, in fact they need nothing more than a Youtube channel. And seeing as Sony have ditched E3, they'll announce stuff from now on when they want with no pressure.

E3 is pretty much a big, flashy dinosaur at this point and people have been talking about it's "death" for years.

 

[GoldenEye98]

I don't get the "Sony already won e3" comments given Microsoft could give us some actual numbers around things like the GPU and memory....like they did with Project Scorpio at E3 2016.

 

[Fake]

So basically nothing new.

BC with PS4 was a given, would be absolutely idiotic to not include it as there whole online platform would be seen as a joke.

Faster then any current SSD means nothing. If your load time is reduced from 16>1 second then having a 10 times faster SSD will only result in a 0.9 sec gain, barely noticable. Typical cerny language to hype things up. Guess its going to be there new buzzword for E3.

Raytracing is doable on probably any vega, means also completely nothing.

In otherwords a whole load of nothing.

LOL
3D Audio?
15 s x 0.8 s?
Zen2 instead of Zen1?
8k support?

 

[longdi]

Why would they reveal this now via a stupid article. Lol

Better than having cryptic messages, pandering interviews, controlled leaks, lots of hot air leading to nowhere, creating interest online via fanboys speculations.

Straight to the point, boom there you have it. PS5 2020, good specs. Wait for it.