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[OneDrop_]

Woke values destroy everything, because the best word to describe woke means pure fascism in how people interpret it.

The problem with it though is that all of these people have their own ideas of what woke is, so you have a lot of people that think they’re woke while they’re actually just fascist as hell.

One simple proof of this is the following, people who are woke divide everyone in groups, black, white hispanic etc. Then they say they want one of these groups to not be discriminated anymore, and the way to do it is to be extremely fascist and to discriminate, demonize and other stuff to everyone that’s for example not black.

Discrimination in the USA was virtually non existent anymore, but thanks to Bidens policies it came back alive with a vengeance.

If you really want to stop racism you should stop talking about race all the time and just treat everyone equally, you know, just as a human. It’s simple as that, and that’s what almost everyone was doing pre-Biden

'Discrimination in the USA was virtually non existent anymore'

Do you really believe that statement? Lol

 

[AmuroChan]

It may hurt certain games, but it won't destroy the entire industry as you say. Looks at the film industry. Sure, Disney shot themselves in the foot and lost something like a billion on their movies this year, but Universal did just fine. At the end of the day, the market will sort itself out.

 

[OverHeat]

Seriously as soon as a world war break we are in for a shitshow… anyways that’s another matters I’m bailing out!

 

[BadHaircut]

So be it…

Well I think I've found the issue then. You believe you're the majority opinion and "woke" is wrong.

I don't have any way to quantify that. But it seems to me that "most" people plain don't give a shit. I genuinely have never had a conversation in real life where someone was asking about Abby's muscles, Spider-Man's criminals skin colours, or whether Alan Wake had too much of a female protagonist.

Most people just play games to unwind and aren't getting caught up in this stuff one way or another.

 

[Hohenheim]

I totally agree that a increasing large part of the industry is showing some very crazy attitudes, which is made lager than it (hopefully) is because of their extreme loudness.
A very loud minority,with some obvious dangerous power. A dark example was the sacking of that girl at Limited Run Games, and the whole boycot situstion with Hogwarts. A more recent example is the whole Easy Allies chaos when that LSM dude was on there. Pure madness and batshit crazy.
It topped itself for me when Bungie made that super awkward tweet about the latino community a few months ago. So awkward and weird.
Thankfully, it seems like there's a huge amount of people in the industry that is not part of this stuff, and I think the loud minority will be muted out more and more. At least that's my sincere hope.

All that being said, the two games mentioned in the first post here (TLOU2 and Alan Wake 2) is just brilliant games and I wouldn't change anything about them.

 

[Topher]

And if the majority of people end up supporting Diversity and Inclusion in games?

Well....it isn't like game developers are asking the "majority of people" what they want in video games regardless. If it were up to me, I'd say use whatever demographics fit and leave out the commentary entirely. But again....they didn't ask.

 

[NeverYouMind]

I think many Eastern European and Asian publishers/developers will not release products with these idealogical leanings. It will just sideline a few North American and Western European publishers/developers to being less profitable.

 

[BadHaircut]

Well....it isn't like game developers are asking the "majority of people" what they want in video games regardless. If it were up to me, I'd say use whatever demographics fit and leave out the commentary entirely. But again....they didn't ask.

Demographic profile is one thing. But we have the thread post calling out having a black female protagonist in Alan Wake. I don't think anyone needs to "ask" what they should do there. It just shouldn't be an issue at all. I don't get it.

 

[Doom85]

It's getting to the point where people complaining about woke are almost as annoying as the people pushing it.

 

[IDKFA]

obligatory

 

[OverHeat]

Demographic profile is one thing. But we have the thread post calling out having a black female protagonist in Alan Wake. I don't think anyone needs to "ask" what they should do there. It just shouldn't be an issue at all. I don't get it.

Female or whatever is not the problem, it’s the lgbtq+ push that rail me what you do in the bedroom should stay there.

 

[Guilty_AI]

And if the majority of people end up supporting Diversity and Inclusion in games?

You mean the "Diversity" and "inclusion" of DEI movements? Then that'd mean we'd be living in a neo-fascist society, and games would be the least of our issues.

 

[GHG]

If OverHeat were in charge....

Shit, so that's who we're fighting against?

 

[VitoNotVito]

Likewise, Alan Wake 2 sidelines its main character for around half the game for a young, black women, who negatively comments on white people as a collective. Additionally, The Last of Us Part II abruptly swaps beloved characters for poorly justified, unrealistic females.

Saga Anderson is played by actress who's mixed, not black. She's got teenage daughter in the game so I wouldn't call her "young", neither old.
With regards to "females" in TLoU2 not sure what's wrong here? Half of the population is "females". Also, what is a "realistic female"? Tiny waist and massive tits? You know you just exposed yourself as someone backwards thinking, I believe you used this term in the same post as a critique...

 

[Topher]

Demographic profile is one thing. But we have the thread post calling out having a black female protagonist in Alan Wake. I don't think anyone needs to "ask" what they should do there. It just shouldn't be an issue at all. I don't get it.

I didn't say they should "ask" about that. As I said, use whatever demographics fit. A black woman fits fine in that scenario. I haven't played the game but he also says she "negatively comments on white people as a collective". I'd have to hear what was said before I commented on that, but generally speaking, social-political commentary that adds nothing to a game's story shouldn't be in there, imo. Just focus on telling a good story.

 

[Sushi_Combo]

"Anything I don't like is woke"

 

[Sushi_Combo]

I think many Eastern European and Asian publishers/developers will not release products with these idealogical leanings. It will just sideline a few North American and Western European publishers/developers to being less profitable.

You can choose to be with a male escort in a sequence in Cyberpunk if you decided to go with the male main. From a developer from Poland I believe. Is this woke?

 

[BadHaircut]

Female or whatever is not the problem, it’s the lgbtq+ push that rail me what you do in the bedroom should stay there.

Here's the thing with this "woke" nonsense. It's so loosely defined and over used that it is effectively meaningless. I've seen enough social media commentary online to know that woke can mean LGBTQ just as easily as it can mean "black female protagonist". The TGA trailers were solid evidence, with "woke game" comments filling the YouTube feeds whenever a female led game was shown.

So you think it's fine, but draw the line at LGBTQ. Someone else thinks having a female lead a game is too far. Someone else thinks that giving a girl big arms is too far. It doesn't make any sense and I'm not even sure some of these even relate to Diversity and Inclusion policies.

And frankly, the fact that you're saying that this all somehow relates to how the US (or the West?) would fare in a world war. You've gone too far down the rabbit hole.

 

[MagnesD3]

Dude it makes everything it touches worse but destroy is a stretch I think at worst AAA gaming would be destroyed but Nintendo is a thing so \('-')/

 

[OverHeat]

Here's the thing with this "woke" nonsense. It's so loosely defined and over used that it is effectively meaningless. I've seen enough social media commentary online to know that woke can mean LGBTQ just as easily as it can mean "black female protagonist". The TGA trailers were solid evidence, with "woke game" comments filling the YouTube feeds whenever a female led game was shown.

So you think it's fine, but draw the line at LGBTQ. Someone else thinks having a female lead a game is too far. Someone else thinks that giving a girl big arms is too far. It doesn't make any sense and I'm not even sure some of these even relate to Diversity and Inclusion policies.

And frankly, the fact that you're saying that this all somehow related to how the US (or the West?) would fare in a world war. You've gone too far down the rabbit hole.

Inclusivity is already the cancer of the Canadian forces…

 

[BadHaircut]

Inclusivity is already the cancer of the Canadian forces…

No one gives a fuck. It's a thread about videogames. What are you even talking about.

 

[OverHeat]

No one gives a fuck. It's a thread about videogames. What are you even talking about.

Nothing. I’m out

 

[Fake]

Well, the Israel x Gaza conflict from last year has been opening a lot of people's eyes to what DEI is actually about, so there's that.

The Havard thing open people eyes even more. I still can't believe that happens.

 

[Krappadizzle]

It's gonna destroy itself. It might take some things I love with it, but I'm ok with that.

 

[BlackTron]

You noticed!

 

[KuraiShidosha]

I just miss when games were made by a handful of nerdy people who had actual passion and care for their craft. Eg id software in the 90s, Team Silent, Bungie circa 2001, etc.