They are such an idiots. They are fully aware of what they were doing and now they are playing dumb. Fuck this developers.
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Wolfenstein developers are “incredibly disappointed” that fighting Nazis is now “problematic”
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They are such an idiots. They are fully aware of what they were doing and now they are playing dumb. Fuck this developers.
lock2k
Banned
Lionel Richie
Member
MachineGames should be incredibly disappointed in how badly they mismanaged the series after 2 really good titles. Any controversy wouldn't mean shit if the gameplay was actually good, but the diminishing returns of the recent titles is undeniable when you compare them to TNO and TOB. Instead of going DARVO, look yourself in the mirror and ask what are the actual problems with your shooter.
Trogdor1123
Member
I really enjoyed the new order and was looking at getting the rest. I hadn't heard any issues with the next two. Anyone able to send me to a reasonable video that explains the issue?
I wasn't aware there was any issues with the game (of any kind, including quality) so this interests me a fair bit.
I wasn't aware there was any issues with the game (of any kind, including quality) so this interests me a fair bit.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Whats the context here? Who wrote this?The New Colossus just wasn't very good, and Youngblood looks even worse. When the quality of your output degrades, take responsibility, don't externalize blame.
As for the real-world politics, well, it's not exactly subtle:
Dontero
Banned
People complain that developers compared current US government to Nazis. While they didn't do it overtly you have to be retarded to not see it. They are free to express what they want but people are also free to criticize them.
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Never played those new games, even if own Wolf 2014 and the Old Blood, but TNC looks great, at least in gameplay terms. TYB looks cringe as hell.
I always think the world ended in 2012 and we didn't realize it, before that, everything was seemingly okay, and suddenly some people act like we regressed centuries.
I always think the world ended in 2012 and we didn't realize it, before that, everything was seemingly okay, and suddenly some people act like we regressed centuries.
joe_zazen
Member
There is something disturbing about trying to make killing in a videogame applicable to irl violence in order to push copies. I am interested to see how CoD does it this fall.
Yeah, i platinumed NO and
cried at the end of it, mostly because of the musical choice.
So idk if it is the climate, or players not wanted to have their emotional buttons twerked by manipulative writers in-between kill rooms with borderline bad gameplay.
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Knightime_X
Member
Seriously?
Change everything to meet our wants and demands.
Remove those who oppose it.
Social Justice Warriors are literally modern day nazis.
Instead of actual physical violence they try to kill by damaging finances and livelihoods of others if they don't get what they want.
GreenAlien
Member
I'm pretty sure this is a letter you can find in their recent game..
I'm pretty sure actual Nazis like the Charleston and El Paso shooters are actual Nazis, not some chick with green hair yelling on Tumblr.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
What about this guy?
2019 Dayton shooting - Wikipedia
And the jury is still out on the El Paso guy since his views were all over the place.
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iconmaster
Banned
I do remember that. It's hard to feel too bad for them when they themselves downplayed Nazis as nearly-fictional target dummies and instead tied them to the "problematic" element in today's world.
Yeah, it's frustrating that everyone calls everyone else a Nazi. I'm not sure what that really means post-1945, even with uses like "neo-Nazi." Is it referring to anti-Semitism, or white supremacism, or actual national socialism, or all of the above...?
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sircaw
Banned
Go back to Basics, Make a game that is fun to play again. Move away from your political bullshit pandering to certain crowds. Don't make a game with two off the most unlikable characters ever designed. When all these shit blows up in your face OWN IT, don't make excuses and blame the fan base or the public.
I want to kill Hitler and his entire fucking SS squad. I don't want to breast feed and be reminded that being white is a sin.
Just make a Wolfenstein game with out ten minute cut scenes in which i can't do anything/
Make game, i buy game.
I want to kill Hitler and his entire fucking SS squad. I don't want to breast feed and be reminded that being white is a sin.
Just make a Wolfenstein game with out ten minute cut scenes in which i can't do anything/
Make game, i buy game.
It doesn't sound like that's what they are complaining about, though the reasons for complaints might be valid. If I were compared to a Nazi I would complain about this fact, not about the killing Nazis part.
As with anything controversial there are probably numerous reasons someone might object. The only one I have seen is because it acts to somewhat excuse the person's horrific actions. Like "person X is a terrorist, but person Y? Nah, that guy is 'mentally ill' ". If you compare those two in the example, the terrorist one implies more agency and intention than the mentally ill one.
Mahadev
Member
And this ladies and gentlemen is the definition of the motte and bailey fallacy.
You imply that conservatives are nazis in your marketing campaigns, you shoehorn two obnoxious Mary Sue characters that fit your political agenda but make everyone else nauseous and when your game fails you retreat to the motte argument of "Gamers thought killing nazis was bad!"
It's a pathetic and transparent tactic only cowards use to defend their beliefs, if they had any dignity they'd own up to their obvious agenda. And I'm saying all this without even mentioning one of the biggest reasons the game failed: It was shit.
You imply that conservatives are nazis in your marketing campaigns, you shoehorn two obnoxious Mary Sue characters that fit your political agenda but make everyone else nauseous and when your game fails you retreat to the motte argument of "Gamers thought killing nazis was bad!"
It's a pathetic and transparent tactic only cowards use to defend their beliefs, if they had any dignity they'd own up to their obvious agenda. And I'm saying all this without even mentioning one of the biggest reasons the game failed: It was shit.
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cryogenic7
Member
They are worse than legalist religionists. Actually, come to think of it they are RELIGIOUS legalists.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Talk to me about it, ee have the extreme left (not sure they deserve the SJW moniker) calling everyone on their right "Nazis"... And it's been a little while now that some on the right highlight the similarities between the nazis and the communists (they do have some serious points when you take note that both groups were at the core identitarians, and they search to give the state control, differently but staye control none the less, over the means of production for their own purposes, often millitary).
Fun times.
JimmyJones
Banned
It's problematic when all conservatives are labeled as Nazi's, then you joke about killing Nazi's.
Mahadev
Member
You're giving them too much credit, they're just the Christian soccer moms of the 21st century, they whine endlessly about shit, demand censorship and then play the victims when people call them out. I always thought religion was the problem in that regard but it seems that it's the mentality of moralistic crybabies the real issue here that will always find a new religion, or to be more precise cult, to use as their excuse to wag their finger at people.
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desertdroog
Member
They went hard on the social political aspects of the game and waned on the paranormal NAZI occultism. This is a big reason why Wolfenstein has gone to shit. They focused on [current year] feelings instead of gameplay and mechanics.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I miss the old school occult aspects. RtCW was fire!
Riven326
Banned
Turns out they are a Swedish developer. That explains everything.
RSLAEV
Member
Hey I'm all for freedom of speech: You're totally free to wink-wink nudge-nudge shit all over my president and the millions of people that voted for him. That's fine. But we also have the freedom to not buy your game. If they find their sales numbers disappointing then they overestimated how many would enjoy the story they created. If they want to stand by their work and continue to make games in this vein they should lower their sales projections
Wolfenstein Youngblood is horrible. Don’t bother.
The co-op is broken, the weapon system doesn’t work and the rpg mechanics turn the game into a grind.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit
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What's telling though is that the actual complaints mentioned by the devs seem to be about killing Nazis, not about having republicans compared to Nazis. Those complaints probably stem from far right neo-Nazi type groups that DO identify with Nazis, despite then mainstream republicans being apologists and trying to reframe the complaints to supposedly be more valid, such as because of the republican Nazi comparisons.
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Iorv3th
Member
Yet none of them complained when the first wolfenstein remake came out?
I mean, the political climate has changed and continues to change, and those fringe groups are becoming increasingly emboldened. So it's not surprising. This is far from the only place they are showing up where they haven't shown up before.
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Riven326
Banned
This whole Nazi craze shouldn't even be a thing anymore. No one should take it seriously. Ben Shapiro is not part of the Waffen-SS.
Mahadev
Member
Or, OR when certain imbeciles start calling everyone they don't like a nazi the people who were accused will then unwillingly defend "nazis" not because they support their ideology but because they think whoever talks against nazis is talking about them and in many occasions they're right. The slogan punch a nazi isn't targeting exclusively nazis for example and to stay on topic the developer here made the insinuation that Trump supporters are nazis.
This whole clusterfuck was created by a bunch of obnoxious brats that can't handle different opinions or argue against them so they resort to accusations and is actually helping real neonazis now since these idiots have made a mockery of the term. Now if you warn people that someone is a neonazi they probably think you don't like a Trump supporter.
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Iorv3th
Member
I think it has more to do with them targeting Trump specifically by changing
Make America Great Again
to
Make America Nazi Free Again
Even if that saying makes sense in the game world, they are directly linking it to the current political climate and state of USA.
I don't disagree, but I think it's a separate thing. As I mentioned, if *I* were being compared to a Nazi, I would specifically complain about *that*. I would not complain about killing Nazis. This is why I think that the actual complaints are coming from fringe far-right groups, and then mainstream republicans are trying to distract from that by re-framing them to things that are actually reasonable. The right has made many such sacrifices to keep from being fractured by the forces currently pulling it in all sorts of directions.
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danielberg
Neophyte
because you give them a out jail card if you declare them insane nah most of these bastards knew exactly what they were doing.
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recursive
Member
They should patch that offensive text from the game. How many pixels is it?The New Colossus just wasn't very good, and Youngblood looks even worse. When the quality of your output degrades, take responsibility, don't externalize blame.
As for the real-world politics, well, it's not exactly subtle:
TheGreatYosh
Banned
The most embarrassing thing in that video was the angry bald lady. Well, I didn't watch all of it so maybe something topped it.
Bakkus
Member
Yeah, that's why your advertisements of the previous Wolfenstein game was nothing but Antifa slogans...
Every developer should not read comments, forums, Twitter and Facebook.
Just make the game YOU want to make and damn public opinion to hell. Never apologize, never change, never censor and never make a game for anyone else but the people who make it.
Thing is if every developer would stop paying attention to and responding to people who make negative comments about their games it wouldn't take long before they stopped trying and would go away.
Just make the game YOU want to make and damn public opinion to hell. Never apologize, never change, never censor and never make a game for anyone else but the people who make it.
Thing is if every developer would stop paying attention to and responding to people who make negative comments about their games it wouldn't take long before they stopped trying and would go away.
joe_zazen
Member
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I do not have this power. And crazy murderers are still murderers, pretty sure they stay locked up.
I do not have this power. And crazy murderers are still murderers, pretty sure they stay locked up.
Except no one is complaining about killing nazis you moron. The backlash started with the marketing campaign
Have you considered trying to be less triggered? I highly recommend it.
