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Wolfenstein: The Old Blood PC Performance thread
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Don't worry, even people that PC game a lot find them pretty off putting.
Hmm being locked at 60fps is not fine for G-sync I've always found framelimited games to stutter a bit as opposed to unlocked framerate stuff
Dictator93
Member
This game is locked at 60 no matter what. When unlocked above that number becomes a benny hill skit.
The New Order was perfectly smooth and consistent for me using G-Sync throughout the 50 hours I've put into it.
If you like, you can unlock the frame rate in The New Order to see if the behaviour you're talking about is still apparent; toggle com_synctotime at the console.
d00d3n
Member
Ahhh, that is bad to hear. I only tested the two areas that I mentioned. Disabling screen-space reflections made all the difference at 4k resolution in those, but I have not had time to continue playing the game.
Not only does it not work, I think it actually has a negative impact on performance, albeit a small one. I definitely got a worse frame rate on 670SLI with TNO, than I did with a single 670.
Below are images from TechPowerUp, confirming the same.
EDIT: Worth mentioning, I don't think it was enough to just simply disable SLI in the Nvidia control panel. I had to disable the actual hardware so it was as if I only had the one card. I'm pretty sure it was only when I done that, i managed to get rid of the stuttering which I had.
Though this was last year, so I don't want to say this with 100% certainty that you have to do this. I'd just try disabling SLI first, and seeing if that works.
Not only does it not work, I think it actually has a negative impact on performance, albeit a small one. I definitely got a worse frame rate on 670SLI with TNO, than I did with a single 670.
Below are images from TechPowerUp, confirming the same.
EDIT: Worth mentioning, I don't think it was enough to just disable SLI in the control panel. I had to disable the actual hardware so it was as if I only had the one card. I'm pretty sure it was only when I done that, i managed to get rid of the stuttering which I had.
Does your motherboard/CPU have sufficient PCI-E lanes for two PCI-E slots to operate at 16x simultaneously?
If not, and the slots are dropped to 8x when multiple GPUs are present, then you would be leaving performance on the table by not disabling the extra GPU(s). idtech 5 games munch through PCI-E bandwidth more than most games, because of the nature of the megatexture technology. If anyone has two or more GPUs, I really suggest disabling the extra cards in device manager before playing these games. You cannot use them for anything anyway.
Not really sure to be honest.
Last year when I played TNO, my specs were the below. I've still got the same CPU and MOBO, but I just jumped to a single 970.
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 PRO
GPU: GTX670 2GB SLI
CPU: i5 2500k
d00d3n
Member
Does this apply to dedicated physx cards (a 750ti in my case) as well?
Sandy Bridge supports PCI-E 2.0. That board's documents state that the two 16x slots will operate at 8x if both slots are enabled.
So with two cards enabled, each card is PCI-E 2.0 at 8x = 4 GBytes / sec. That's still a pretty good amount of bandwidth, but why not have double that if possible?
Personally with my system, I've found that the idtech 5 games perform better when I disable my second GPU and run the remaining one at PCI-E 3.0 16x (with both enabled, my system drops to PCI-E 3.0 8x). Visible texture "pop-in" was noticeably improved for me.
This is just anecdotal though. The situation might not be bandwidth related, but instead could be caused by some unwanted driver behaviour when more GPUs are present and enabled on a system level.
Well, there's no need for a PhysX card with this or any other idtech 5 game, afaik. You'd need to post your motherboard and CPU models to say any more.
d00d3n
Member
My motherboard is an ASrock Z77 Extreme 9. The cpu is an intel i5 3570k (@4.6).
very nice indeed.
GavinUK86
Member
Not only does it not work, I think it actually has a negative impact on performance, albeit a small one. I definitely got a worse frame rate on 670SLI with TNO, than I did with a single 670.
Below are images from TechPowerUp, confirming the same.
EDIT: Worth mentioning, I don't think it was enough to just simply disable SLI in the Nvidia control panel. I had to disable the actual hardware so it was as if I only had the one card. I'm pretty sure it was only when I done that, i managed to get rid of the stuttering which I had.
Though this was last year, so I don't want to say this with 100% certainty that you have to do this. I'd just try disabling SLI first, and seeing if that works.
i had to disable sli to stop stuttering. didn't have to completely remove the second card though, disabling it was enough. only got a couple frame gain but the stuttering completely stopped. using rivatuner to stabilize 60fps and using vsync via the nvidia control panel helped too.
Dictator93
Member
CyberPunked
Member
Does this game have the horrible texture pop-in that all idTech games have?
Dictator93
Member
Yes. 64 MAX PPT still has noticeable texture fade in on turn around.
Anything higher throttles my CPU in experience.
GavinUK86
Member
same as the new order but doesn't work for me with this.
Your board features a PLX bridge chip, so as long as your main GPU is in PCI-E slot 1 or slot 5, you should be fine. It'll always run at PCI-E 3.0 16x irrespective of what else is plugged in. You should probably have the GPUs in slots 1 and 5 though to be sure.
d00d3n
Member
Thanks!
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i5 2,8GHz
16GB RAM
GTX 770 2GB
High Settings @1080p, getting super stable and locked 60fps
16GB RAM
GTX 770 2GB
High Settings @1080p, getting super stable and locked 60fps
SirMossyBloke
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Alright, so I put it on high, added medium SSR , 4x AA and god rays on Ultra. From what I can tell I'm getting a smooth 60fps throughout. However I'm still on the first level with very tight corridors, so I'll keep going and see how it is.
i5 4690k no OC, 970, 16gb ram. 1080p as I'm comfy couching.
i5 4690k no OC, 970, 16gb ram. 1080p as I'm comfy couching.
The Janitor
Member
Is this with screen-space reflections enabled?
Smushroomed
Banned
Okay so
strix 970 + gsync @ 1440p runs 60 fps locked on high, but 35-45 fps on ultra
What settings are the useless fps killers?
strix 970 + gsync @ 1440p runs 60 fps locked on high, but 35-45 fps on ultra
What settings are the useless fps killers?
therealminime
Member
From my own experimenting with settings MSAA, reflections, and seemingly texture compression (off) seem to impact FPS the most.
I'm on a 980 and have texture compression on, no MSAA, and reflections off and can downsample from 4K and very nearly hold a locked 60.
SirMossyBloke
Member
If you have texture compression turned on, do you then activate CUDA to offset the load? Kinda new to all this.
therealminime
Member
The game seemingly runs better with CUDA off too. I don't really know what purpose it serves. And I was unable to see any real visual differences between compression being on and off, it just impacted performance by 5-10 frames.
Edit: Also not an expert, half of these settings are gibberish and I have a good understanding of PC graphics settings. Just going by my own tests.
SirMossyBloke
Member
I guess the engine just isn't that well optimized. People here don't seem to approve anyway.
Krappadizzle
Member
I got up to chapter 2 last night and on an i7 4770k@4.2Ghz/GTX 780/8gb ram it runs great on Ultra with a few settings knocked down to high(god rays) and medium(Screen-space reflections) and MSAAx2 @1080p. I see a few framerate drops from 60 but it's very rare and looks pretty good all things considered. Gun play feels friggin' great though and I'm glad for that.
matrixman92
Member
I felt the same. All medium settings made it feel the most smooth on my 760, so I just went with that lol
UnrealEck
Member
If I were to guess I'd say screen space reflections.
Dictator93
Member
Yes
I will experiment with texture compression to see what it does at all.
The compression is very storage efficient, up to a ratio of 8:1 I think. It can save you a lot of VRAM. CUDA can be used to allow the GPU to accelerate the compression process, but it does mean load on the GPU is increased. Without acceleration, the CPU will be performing the compression.
If enabling CUDA causes a performance hit, then you're probably GPU limited (at 4K on a 980, I'd say yes), and/or your GPU has weak CUDA performance (980 has excellent performance here).
So, if you're using a GPU with plenty of VRAM and memory bandwidth for your chosen resolution/settings, you might want to leave compression off. The fact that you can't see the effects of the compression in the game speaks to how useful it can be though (or how close you sit to your display =).
GavinUK86
Member
yeah for some weird reason when i turn the osd on the read out switches from ogl to d3d11 even though we all know idt 5 is open gl based. when i use fraps i get weird drops at certain areas too. no drops at all with no osd.
Tizoc
Member
Ugh, OK what are the options that take a hit on the performance? When I am not looking at characters, the FPS is 60, but once I'm looking at even 1 character, it drops to 30 FPS even at Medium settings =_=
My set up is
GPU: GeForce GTX 770M
CPU: Intel Core i7-4700HQ CPU @ 2.4GHZ
Memory: 16 GB RAM
My set up is
GPU: GeForce GTX 770M
CPU: Intel Core i7-4700HQ CPU @ 2.4GHZ
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Apparently there is, some console command that I didn't see, but unlocking framerate breaks the game. Basically games speed [you running, climbing etc.] is tied to your FPS and if you run game above 60 everything gets faster and faster.
Yeah, it's for that reason id later closed off com_synctotime in Rage.
holygeesus
Banned
Turning on texture compression seems to help me with framerate and I don't see noticeable difference in texture quality. I think that should be one of the first things to enable if struggling to maintain 60 fps, unless you have a Titan. Dropping VIRTUALTEXTURE MAX PPF to 16 also helped me (though I have no idea what it does!) and Shadow Resolution to 2048 - now I seem to be stable even when downsampling.
Is Vsync ok to enable in-game or should I be forcing it in the driver settings?
3570k/970/16GB stock.
Is Vsync ok to enable in-game or should I be forcing it in the driver settings?
3570k/970/16GB stock.
Man, idtech5 is fucking awful.
Dictator93
Member
We should test to see what on earth uncompressed vs compressed textures looks like.
The tool tip mentions that uncompressed uses more VRAM, but it also takes up 10-15% of the GPU utilization on my card on top of the extra 1.5-2.0 Gigs of VRAM it utilizes.
Megatextures make no sense.
The tool tip mentions that uncompressed uses more VRAM, but it also takes up 10-15% of the GPU utilization on my card on top of the extra 1.5-2.0 Gigs of VRAM it utilizes.
Megatextures make no sense.
UnrealEck
Member
I don't think you really need to use texture compression on a 4GB card. If you don't notice the difference though, it's not going to matter.
The max PPF seems to affect how much texture pop in you might see when turning around really fast. The higher, the less you'll see but I'm not positive.
You should also be able to turn shadow resolution up on that card too.
Fallout-NL
Member
Has the way DSR works changed? You used to set it per program, right? Now it seems to be a global setting and at factor 2, I cant pick any higher resolutions in The Old Blood.
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
Dictator93
Member
make sure you have the game set to Fullscreen. WOlfenstein also has problems with non-standard resolutions. It basically only easily supports 1080p, 1440p, 1620p, etc... cleaner multiples
Fallout-NL
Member
Thanks, I'll give that a shot.
OnionPowder
Member
Anybody playing with an AMD CPU? I tried playing TNO with my FX8350 and 970 and the frame drops were too much for me.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
This game setting is borked somehow.
I noticed heavy fps drops today when looking at a lot of corpses. Basically when I looked from the left to right with the corpses in the middle, passing the corpses made the fps drop from 60 to around 20s.
So I went to settings to muck around, decided to turn virtualtexture lodbias back 2 notch, went back in, buttery smooth.
THEN, I went and turned it back to maximum, STILL buttery smooth this time.
Pffff.
I noticed heavy fps drops today when looking at a lot of corpses. Basically when I looked from the left to right with the corpses in the middle, passing the corpses made the fps drop from 60 to around 20s.
So I went to settings to muck around, decided to turn virtualtexture lodbias back 2 notch, went back in, buttery smooth.
THEN, I went and turned it back to maximum, STILL buttery smooth this time.
Pffff.
DSR has always worked like that. You set it globally, selecting the multiples you want, then select the resolution in game (if possible).
Wolf seems to limit you to resolutions that match your display ratio. As you cannot set your aspect ratio in this game, you will not be able to select resolutions that are unsuitable for your display.
To see a list of resolutions, use r_mode at the console, pressing TAB after the command to show the list.