The entire Buu saga sucks and makes no sense.
Goten and Kid Trunks are a joke. How can they be super saiyans? What have they gone through?
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Would DBZ be better if Goku stayed dead after Raditz?
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The entire Buu saga sucks and makes no sense.
Goten and Kid Trunks are a joke. How can they be super saiyans? What have they gone through?
Kids being overpowered as fuck as always been a motif of DB.
They aren't just overpowered.
They've achieved a legendary transformation that has repeatedly been shown to only occur due to an intense need, which is something they've never experienced.
Everyone else had to basically almost die like 10 times over years and years in order to become super saiyan. Then Goten and Trunks do it because "oh those wily six year olds! what will they do next!"
A lot of the Buu saga is just fan service that actually detracts from previous arcs of the series.
They've achieved a legendary transformation that has repeatedly been shown to only occur due to an intense need, which is something they've never experienced.
Everyone else had to basically almost die like 10 times over years and years in order to become super saiyan. Then Goten and Trunks do it because "oh those wily six year olds! what will they do next!"
A lot of the Buu saga is just fan service that actually detracts from previous arcs of the series.
The Silver
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Future Trunks sure did get screwed, he could've beaten the androids if he was a super saiyan since childhood like his other self.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
DBZ would have been better if Goku's brother wasn't a throwaway villain.
Kid Goku was like that too. It took Master Roshi 50 yeas to learn the kamehameha, and Goku learned it straight away. Also, Future Trunks/Vegeta/Gohan going SSJ was just in the anime, we never see how they did it in the manga if I remember correctly.
Roshi is also human. It isn't surprising that Goku would learn the Kamehameha far easier. The differences between humans and saiyans have been well observed in DBZ.
It also took Roshi 3 years to get the sacred water and I think Goku does it in three days.
If anything, kid Goku had far more reason to become a super saiyan as a child than Goten and Trunks ever did. Their entire childhoods up until Buu were entirely peaceful. If Gohan is a wimp because the world is at peace, then not only should Goten and Trunks be super wimps, but they certainly have no reason to be super saiyans.
No. Goku is integral to the DB universe as much as the Dragon Ball themselves. I loved every season of the show and I don't have a problem at all with Toriyama's story decisions except for 1.
Tien/Krillin and Piccolo. Those guys should have at least have had at least 1 more power up during the Buu saga. The story focused on the Saiyan power up too much towards the end. I am not saying they should be as strong as Goku/Gohan, but maybe have Piccolo as a power equal to Vegeta and Tien not that far behind.
Tien/Krillin and Piccolo. Those guys should have at least have had at least 1 more power up during the Buu saga. The story focused on the Saiyan power up too much towards the end. I am not saying they should be as strong as Goku/Gohan, but maybe have Piccolo as a power equal to Vegeta and Tien not that far behind.
Toriyama hadn't even thought of the Saiyan retcon until way later. Every character in the comic achieved SSJ through training outside of Goku (Future Trunks SSJ transformation was changed in the anime)., nothing to do with intense need.
Even then, you can argue that they trained harder than Kid Gohan and Future Trunks did. Kid Trunks gravity trained with Vegeta, and Goten sparred with Kid Trunks.
The Silver
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I don't think DBZ gets enough credit for having one of the most straightforward time travel plots around.
because it "cheated" and was just going to parallel universes
PapaJustify
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I see Dragonball works great as prequel. The style just changes too much in Z (to the better, more mature and everything). Dragonball was great in itself, but Z is the real deal.
On topic:
I don't Goku remaining dead would have been great after Raditz. There are lot of great moments especially with King Kai. The Frieza Saga was awesome and the Super Saiyan stuff blew my mind as a youngster. I agree though that they should have dropped the stuff with the different levels and fusions and stuff.
Also it would have changed the Cell Saga, which is my favorite by far!
airmangataosenai
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Nah.
WrenchNinja
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Gohan should have been the hero
Pan is in Z though, she easily bitch-slapped the tournament dude remember?
The Silver
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Pan should've been a super saiyan coming out the womb.
Yeah, but she doesn't seem to be a Saiyan genius like her dad and uncle which is weird because Gohan was the third strongest fighter on earth at the time.
HypnoDarkrai
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I always thought that it was easier for Trunks and Goten to become Super Saiyans because they were conceived after Goku and Vegeta became Super Saiyans.
I'm guessing the Mystic transformation screwed with the quality of his seed.
The Silver
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Well Mystic is just a made up fan name.
Gohan didn't transform he just got all of his potential unleashed.
No. Gohan was a bitch until the late cell saga. Goku kind of fixed him in the time chamber.
Piccolo isn't main character material.
But if we're making shit up I'd go with Nappa and Vegeta killing everyone on earth, moving to Namek to resurrect the Saiyan race and continuing to take over the Galaxy.
Piccolo isn't main character material.
But if we're making shit up I'd go with Nappa and Vegeta killing everyone on earth, moving to Namek to resurrect the Saiyan race and continuing to take over the Galaxy.
OK then, the old Kai jynxed his seed with the weird dance ceremony he performed.
Better?
The Silver
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yes.
The Maverick
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There's a lot of people implying Gohan isn't the fucking best and shouldn't have been main character after Cell Games. All wrong. All of you. Be ashamed.
He is Mr. Dragon Ball Z, but Goku is Mr. Dragon Ball of its entirety.
Most of the Gohan stuff is filler actually.
The current official name is "Ultimate Gohan."
Gohan sucks. The only time he ever actually accomplishes something, it's only after being partially responsible for his father's death. And after that, he goes right back to being worthless.
People prefer Goku for a reason.
PdotMichael
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Dragonball Z would be better with just the final tournament as big fan service arc.
The Silver
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Tournaments stopped mattering in DBZ once the saiyans shot past everyone and never looked back.
Even the 23rd Budokai was pretty predictable, just look at the lineup.
Tenshinhan Vs Cyborg Tao
Goku Vs Chichi
Kuririn Vs Piccolo
Yamcha Vs God
It's pretty obvious that Yamcha and Kuririn were gonna lose straight away, Tenshinhan was gonna beat the fodder villain and then lose, and Goku was gonna ROFLstomp everything.
He didn't, though...
He kind of did in my opinion, Goku was clearly stronger than Piccolo and running circles around him the entire match. It never really felt like Piccolo had the upper hand until the little end bit.
Fantastapotamus
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In my opinion all the kids ruined DBZ. You can't even imagine how I hated Gohan.
Can we all agree that kids in movies/tv shows/videogames basically ruin everything 99% of the time, except in dramas and stuff like that?
Can we all agree that kids in movies/tv shows/videogames basically ruin everything 99% of the time, except in dramas and stuff like that?
KidA Seven
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It would have been better with 3 things.
1) if akira toriyama said screw off fans and kept Gohan the center of attention instead of going back to goku and making gohan look dumb. Then cool, but then it wastoo late because he died.
2) More saiyin nonsense, but that would require lore. And akira toriyama isn't good at lore, or remembering things in his own manga.
3)If the end of GT series was transplanted and used as the end of Z, It begins with dragon balls, it ends with the dragon balls.
1) if akira toriyama said screw off fans and kept Gohan the center of attention instead of going back to goku and making gohan look dumb. Then cool, but then it wastoo late because he died.
2) More saiyin nonsense, but that would require lore. And akira toriyama isn't good at lore, or remembering things in his own manga.
3)If the end of GT series was transplanted and used as the end of Z, It begins with dragon balls, it ends with the dragon balls.
The Silver
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hey man kid Goku was cool, mass murdering all those RR Army guys and gave no fucks.
All about Kid Chichi, killed a dinosaur in her debut.
No, not at all .
Oh god that opinion is horrible. I wouldn't be able to read a shit ton of great manga if I was a horrible child hater.
This shit was hype.
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