MetalFearSolid
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AnEternalEnigma said:
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WrassleGAF August Edition: Cult of Personality
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Alligatorjandro
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What happened to Jared from Subway?
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yeah but that was before he reached peak awesomeness. Now it would be natural and not forced for him to have a groupie.lupinko said:
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Mix and Match time, Wrassle-GAF! These are some of the (questionably) finest managers of all time - fit them into the current-day WWE.
Jimmy Hart
Miss Elizabeth
Sensational Sherri
Paul Bearer
The Reverend Slick
Sunny
Mr. Fuji
Jim Cornette
Bobby The Brain Heenan
Paul E. Dangerously
Obviously for me, a heel like Mason Ryan, who is dogshit on the mic, needs someone who is pumped up and can do promos for him - Mason Ryan needs a man who can do almost all the promo for him. Fantastic match.
I'm having a hard time fitting Mr. Fuji into current-day WWE because he's such a caricature of a bygone age. He really was just the master of dirty tricks - he wasn't much of a guy who brought out the best in someone in a promo.
Paul E. Dangerously needs a stable. Nobody can forget the Dangerous Alliance - he would have worked well with Wade Barrett and Nexus last year, before they got buried.
Anyone you want to add, or discuss?
Jimmy Hart
Miss Elizabeth
Sensational Sherri
Paul Bearer
The Reverend Slick
Sunny
Mr. Fuji
Jim Cornette
Bobby The Brain Heenan
Paul E. Dangerously
Obviously for me, a heel like Mason Ryan, who is dogshit on the mic, needs someone who is pumped up and can do promos for him - Mason Ryan needs a man who can do almost all the promo for him. Fantastic match.
I'm having a hard time fitting Mr. Fuji into current-day WWE because he's such a caricature of a bygone age. He really was just the master of dirty tricks - he wasn't much of a guy who brought out the best in someone in a promo.
Paul E. Dangerously needs a stable. Nobody can forget the Dangerous Alliance - he would have worked well with Wade Barrett and Nexus last year, before they got buried.
Anyone you want to add, or discuss?
Mr. Enigma
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MetalFearSolid
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Fantasy Managing:
Jimmy Hart could manage The Miz and R-Truth..
Sunny could returns to manage Beth and Nattie
Cornette could manage Mason Ryan like he did Vader
OR...Give D.Bryan or Tyson Kidd ...Cornette as a manager then they would get personality because they are terrific wrestlers but they need personality..Oops I mean terrific Superstars..or whatever WWE is calling them.
Miss Elizabeth- Dolph Ziggler/Wade Barrett
OR if WWE is looking for next HBK stick Sherri with JoMo..
Jimmy Hart could manage The Miz and R-Truth..
Sunny could returns to manage Beth and Nattie
Cornette could manage Mason Ryan like he did Vader
OR...Give D.Bryan or Tyson Kidd ...Cornette as a manager then they would get personality because they are terrific wrestlers but they need personality..Oops I mean terrific Superstars..or whatever WWE is calling them.
Miss Elizabeth- Dolph Ziggler/Wade Barrett
OR if WWE is looking for next HBK stick Sherri with JoMo..
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Damn, those manager picks you guys put out there are great fits.
Bring managers back WWE! And make them unique!
Bring managers back WWE! And make them unique!
MetalFearSolid
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Sunflower said:
I heard rumors they were trying too..
Net_Wrecker
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Entropia said:
*Jumps into time machine to check out 6 months from now*
daa daa daa daaaaaaaaaaaa
*Comes back disappointed*
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They have 4 tag teams don't they? Miz/Truth (I think they were getting at that), Kofi/Bourne, Mcsillyputty/Otunga, and the Usos.
MetalFearSolid
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-Pyromaniac- said:
I count 5..Nattie/Beth are going to get tired of the Divas Division jump into Tag Team Division..Believe..
spindashing
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Net_Wrecker said:
How is Kevin Nash's beard?
Did the Kings of Wrestling debut?
How is Jeff Hardy doing in TNA?
But most importantly, did
a friend RVD made comment few week back..now I no why, i say a small tag team called the YB's did hay shake my hand no! Yes I said SMALL!!!
bean breath
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Just give it another month. It won't take 6.Net_Wrecker said:
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The thing is, if you do tag teams RIGHT, you get a lot more exposure to 2x the roster - tag teams go a long way towards making new stars.
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Sunflower said:
plz so..
I loved when the managers would get involved.....ahh memories
Slick
The Brain
The Mouth
Mr Fuji
Sensational Sheri
Miss Eliz
Cornette
Heyman
just to name a few
Net_Wrecker
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spindashing said:
It kinda looked the same. But I did see a new tweet from him defending the match with Punk by asking "All u guys still complaining...how much did u ever draw?"
spindashing said:
:lol they're stuck in FCW
spindashing said:
He's already won the World title twice between 3 face/heel changes. His case was also pushed back again. Also, Matt has found some sort of deity, and TNA resigned him with a new religious gimmick.
spindashing said:
Uhhhh, yes.
Any other questions about the next 6 months in the industry?
MetalFearSolid
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Looks like WWE has a retrospective of Nash video up on site
Alligatorjandro
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Kevin Nash just doesnt feel the same without Scott Hall.
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Can't say I'm broken up about that.RBH said:
funkystudent
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Im sure his love for the fans will get him back for mania.RBH said:
His has blown his knee out so many times now I say he comes back and has one more match to pass the touch to Sin Cara or some other guy and calls it quits.
abstract alien
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I miss guys like this with themes like this. I miss this :^(jmdajr said:
NihonTiger90
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HarryDemeanor
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Out with a hamstring injury so they dropped his feud with the Miz and are taking his match off the NoC card.Alligatorjandro said:
not really.bean breath said:
Traditionally it hasn't been all that uncommon for someone to jump from the upper card to the mid card after losing the WWF/E title, or from the mid card to the upper card to challenge for the WWF/E title after a successful IC title reign. You even had two established singles competitors teamng up for the tag division for a while (two very well known teams you might remember are Owen and Yokozuna, or the Power Trip, HHH and Austin).
It's jus tthat for a while now there's been very little mobility between divisions because:
#1: bad booking.
#2: loss of credibiility of most of the titles due to #1.
#3: The need to constantly keep Orton and Cena in the main title picture.
#4: A tendency to have a long series of matches and rematches between the same 2 individuals for the same title in a very poorly booked fashion. This includes the stupid rematch clauses that WWE invokes 100% of the time now as the main impetus for booking decisions. It used to be that if, say, Punk beat Cena for the title, Cena would invoke his rematch clause the next night on raw, and the RAW main event would involve cena losing to Punk cleanly with a run in aftewards ,or through some kind of clever shenanigans by Punk, or someone losing due to interference/countout meaning no title change, allowing them to bury the hatchet on oldfeuds while setting up new ones. Or triple threat matches between Punk Cena and the guy who interfered.
Now, cena loses to punk, cena comes out the next night on RAW, invokes his rematch clause, and cena vs punk 2 gets booked for the next PPV. Cena wins the title back after Punk has a 21 or 28 day reign. PUnk comes out the next night on RAW and invokes HIS rematch clause, and THAT match gets booked for the NEXT PPV, with some kind of stipulation like it's a ladder match or falls count anywhere or something along those lines. Cena wins that match and after 3 or 4 months of feuding between the same two guys ,we end up back where we started, with cena having the title. Punk then gets swapped out for Del Rio or R Truth or Miz or something like that and the cycle continues.
An alternate take on this with the same basic result involves one or more of the PPVs involving a non-clean finish (like a ref screw up or outside interference when the ref is n't looiing) whichis used as justificationn for another rematch (see Christian vs. Orton)
It's bad booking that results in unnatural feuds with no impetus other than contractual clauses and "rules." There's no story. It doesn't build up a feud naturally, and it also draws out the length of existing feuds so very little happens in the product.
Because big organizations like WWE and WCW are always touring and performing on the road, they tend to adopt more mundane, simple styles of in ring action, to reduce the physical wear on their bodies. Consequently, they end up relying on the stories to draw, rather than performances. The time for performances is on PPV events (and the payoff for stories).
When you book things the way I described above, the stories are non-existant.
WWE needs to get away from using "rematch clauses" as the stories behind all of their title feuds. That's why the Nexus storyline remained mostly fresh (until the 2 or 3 months of wade challenging for the title which involved the bad booking I described above), and it's why the MitB and Summerslam title feuds stood out mor ethan anything WWE has done in the last 5 years, because therre were stories behind them, and it was personal (Punk did a great job in making things personal, and Cena did a good job responding and adapting to punk's style, making sure that the personal vendetta stood out and wasn't thrown under the rug. Especially during the contract signing for summerslam. ) They also need to move people around a bit more. Crazy Truth vs Cena was great because it involved someone fresh and helped blend the mid and upper cards a bit, even though WWE didn't follow thorugh with it.
It's that dynamic aspect to the storytelling that makes things great, and it's why the Smackdown Six flourished under paul heyman. And if you can build stories around performances themselves, that helps shoot people to the stratosphere. See Austin vs. Hart, the various Angle vs. Benoit matches, or the best of seven series between Benoit and Booker T.
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