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WSJ: Nintendo Begins Distributing Software Kit for NX (Console + Handheld units)

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Alright guys keep in mind this has nothing to do with that forum poster link that has been floating around here, lets make that clear.

This is from Takashi Mochizuki the man who posted the Wall Street Journal article, he just responded to my email that I sent him regarding the "Industry Leading Chips" quote, here it is:




I'm kind of in a bit of shock right now.......I can't believe this, it's the real deal.....

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Same for Genesis. In fact this was a de-facto possibility for virtually every cart-based system of that gen, so specifying it as a differentiating factor means nothing.

You're underestimating the Genesis's prowess in visual fidelity when ignoring games like Alien Soldier, Thunderforce IV (which, I might add, had the best soundtrack of almost any game from that generation on either system hands down, if we're talking electro-themed/hard-industrial style soundtracks....an area the SNES had a weakness in by comparison), Pulstar, Ristar, etc. They competed with the best of the SNES visually, and your statement also ignores that it's not always about technical prowess, but artistic delivery as well, and the best Genesis games could hang with the best SNES games on that merit, enough so to where sometimes the visual artistic choices made up for technical deficiencies. Take for example, Ranger-X.

Speaking of Thunderforce IV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyebKJ8Kaf8
And say, SNES Axelay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJTC3OMn2k

Both games were released around the same time (1992) and both games had amazing graphics, (TFIV music is something else tho) and also Axelay was one of the best examples, of the time, of an SNES game without any major slowdown or flicker (unlike Super R-Type). -- Also, Axelay did not have any extra DSP/accelerator chip. Neither game was first-generation software nor late-generation software on their respective platforms, so I think it's pretty fair overall.
 
Alright guys keep in mind this has nothing to do with that forum poster link that has been floating around here, lets make that clear.

This is from Takashi Mochizuki the man who posted the Wall Street Journal article, he just responded to my email that I sent him regarding the "Industry Leading Chips" quote, here it is:


I'm kind of in a bit of shock right now.......I can't believe this, it's the real deal.....

Nah nah nah. We've been down this road before.

Heaping piles of skepticism for this one.
 
I have the thread ready with the details of that email. Should I pull the trigger?
Yes you may, Jesus.

EDIT: I'm selfish and evil :(

Speaking of Thunderforce IV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyebKJ8Kaf8
And say, SNES Axelay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJTC3OMn2k

Both games were released around the same time (1992) and both games had amazing graphics, (TFIV music is something else tho) and also Axelay was one of the best examples, of the time, of an SNES game without any major slowdown or flicker (unlike Super R-Type). -- Also, Axelay did not have any extra DSP/accelerator chip. Neither game was first-generation software nor late-generation software on their respective platforms, so I think it's pretty fair overall.

Yeah that sounds like a good comparison. Axeley definitely stepped the shmup game up on SNES. In fact both systems surprise in ways one wouldn't initially think if they look at the libraries in full.

I'm just so glad to be getting into appreciating these games now and learning more about them. I may seem a little overzealous at times in defending Genesis but it was my first console and I love the damn thing, and would do the same for other systems if it came down to it. OTOH the Super Nintendo isn't nearly as much a victim of misinformation and revisionists history attempts as other systems are (especially the Genesis), so I don't feel as much an impetus to defend it with the same sort of zeal. Regardless, I admire these systems more or less equally, strengths and weaknesses all in one. Gaming history is just that good.
 
Holy shit, good on you for getting further clarification.

Holy shit is right, I didn't expect him to say that honestly.

Granted he is not a developer, "just" a journalist for the Wallstreet Journal, but he got this from those in the industry that have dev kits and that have seen this NX demo in action.

You have my permission to make a new thread, did you really need to ask? LOL
 
Apple doing an extremely poor job of managing software updates is not new. Android and windows are both progressively less prone to breaking things. That isn't the point however.

The hardware (which is vastly different) is running the same os and the same apps on the same API.

You know. Like my 6 year old gaming PC running DICE'S 2015 Battlefront game at a Lower fidelity but still running it. The only thing that it needs is a Windows operating system and a directx11 compatible gpu. If you have a REALLY old dx9 gpu you're out of luck. Interesting parallel perhaps?

Your posts should be subtitled "moving goalposts".

Your 6 year old gaming PC, whatever that inlcudes, is still not a 9 year old Playstation 3 running an engine specific designed for the Playstation 4 but a game based on a crossgen engine.
 
Alright guys keep in mind this has nothing to do with that forum poster link that has been floating around here, lets make that clear.

This is from Takashi Mochizuki the man who posted the Wall Street Journal article, he just responded to my email that I sent him regarding the "Industry Leading Chips" quote, here it is:

-Several people who said who have seen a demo said what they saw is impossible to run on a computer without a "industry-leading" or "cutting-edge" chips. Cutting-edge in what way, they refused to elaborate.
-And an important thing to remember, probably you know well already, is that chip specs won't be finalized until much closer date to the release.

hope this helps, and plz ask me follow-up questions if you have.

thanks,

mochi http://www.nintengen.com/2015/10/nin...le-to-run.html


I'm kind of in a bit of shock right now.......I can't believe this, it's the real deal.....

Sounds like he's receptive to follow-up questions, do you plan on sending him any?
 
How close to ps4 levels could an ARM based porwerhouse be?

IIRC from Vena and Blu in this thread, the A57 CPU is equal to that of the current Jaguars in the other two consoles. A72 is better than the Jaguars but won't be released until next year, so that one won't seem likely with how new it is.

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Are we sure he meant computer or console? Is it stronger than the PS4 is some way? I'm having trouble comprehending what the WSJ guy said.

Seems really far-fetched to say stronger than a computer.
 
Whatever this thing ends up being, it will surely make the current 'core' crowd nervous, if not hostile: Nintendo always do things that force to, literally, get up of the couch.

Not something you can make the most vocal part of the available customer pool get to do.
 
Software demos in an SDK are not going to tell you anything on a general purpose computer. Optimization is completely different (the build is completely different).

All this tells you is that whatever the prototype NX console is, it cannot be brute-forced by standard hardware.
 
Alright guys keep in mind this has nothing to do with that forum poster link that has been floating around here, lets make that clear.

This is from Takashi Mochizuki the man who posted the Wall Street Journal article, he just responded to my email that I sent him regarding the "Industry Leading Chips" quote, here it is:




I'm kind of in a bit of shock right now.......I can't believe this, it's the real deal.....

What the heck. There's even the whole email right there.

The hell is going on?
 
Their comments were entirely PR. "If we started now, it would take X years." They could have already started it.


Your forgetting this part:

"It is a great idea, I agree. Truth be told, making HD games takes a lot of time and resources," Tanabe concluded when asked why Nintendo had not made a Metroid Prime for Wii U. "I haven't been able to collect a team or the resources to do it."
 
Holy shit is right, I didn't expect him to say that honestly.

Granted he is not a developer, "just" a journalist for the Wallstreet Journal, but he got this from those in the industry that have dev kits and that have seen this NX demo in action.

You have my permission to make a new thread, did you really need to ask? LOL

Sometimes it's as easy as asking :)
 
Alright guys keep in mind this has nothing to do with that forum poster link that has been floating around here, lets make that clear.

This is from Takashi Mochizuki the man who posted the Wall Street Journal article, he just responded to my email that I sent him regarding the "Industry Leading Chips" quote, here it is:




I'm kind of in a bit of shock right now.......I can't believe this, it's the real deal.....

People are really going to set themselves up for disappointment when the NX launches
 
I guess they didn't want that thread at all, even with the suggested title change. Oh well, live & learn.

yeah sorry dude,guess not. granted its a rumor from an actual reporter, not sure how much more vetting that guy needs to be considered legit considering where he works.
 
I guess they didn't want that thread at all, even with the suggested title change. Oh well, live & learn.

Its because its not really information. SDK demos aren't optimized to run on general PCs, they are for showing off what the hardware in question can do. Most PCs can't really run basic emulation all that well, doesn't mean that the associated hardware is some super-powerful system. Its just not built for the machine trying to brute force its way through the demo.

It's going to bite him back in the end, am I right?

Why? He's a WSJ reporter, he's reporting on what he heard. Its his job.
 
yeah sorry dude,guess not. granted its a rumor from an actual reporter, not sure how much more vetting that guy needs to be considered legit considering where he works.
I tried to vet the dude as much as humanly possible. But again, I guess it wasn't ground-breaking enough.
 
If the rumors of a strong NX are true, i'm curious as to how Nintendo managed to get a better deal than Sony and MS so as to have a cheap entree to consumers console(something Miyamoto said the goal was) while at the same time being as strong as advertised while at the same time being as failure free as their previous consoles.
 
Well, that thread was looking DOA from the start, but great effort on creating it.

And getting back for the discussion there, NX will be more like Yamcha on that scale


Just watch it happen
 
People are really going to set themselves up for disappointment when the NX launches

It's what Takashi was told by those that have seen the NX Tech Demo, actual specs he was not informed about. The Wall Street Journal probably would not have let him post that if it were false information, they need to verify these things.

"Cutting Edge Chips" to run the demo on PC, could also mean gaming PC's with the latest or close to latest GPU/CPU's dedicated for gaming.
 
It's going to bite him back in the end, am I right?

Well the main thread that was heading in the direction of taking his word as messiah was locked

So hopefully it won't bite him in the ass anymore, seems like a genuine journalist who is just reporting on what he heard.
 
Well, that thread was looking DOA from the start, but great effort on creating it.

And getting back for the discussion there, NX will be more like Yamcha on that scale


Just watch it happen
Maybe not Yamcha, but Tien. Fully capable when he needs to be, but knows his limits & tries not to rock the boat too much.
 
I just want to see the crazy mock-ups of the console that people come up with. That's my favourite part of a new Nintendo console being revealed
 
heh

sony fans and microsoft fans have been rused
nintendo has launched the trojan horse with...NINTENDO WII U TO NX

firmware update unlocks new graphics and cpu cores
unlocks dx 13 and 4k

nx super hardware was under our noses all along...
the trojan horse.......
~~~only possible with the power of N~~~
 
x86 CPU's have stagnated for like 6 years, but have become more power efficient
GPU's have also stagnated

Building something that's competitive without the 20%~ overhead Windows PC suffer should be in the realms of possible
 
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