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[Mithos]

I just want to see the crazy mock-ups of the console that people come up with. That's my favourite part of a new Nintendo console being revealed

Yeah those are awesome to see, I just hope Nintendo trashes the Wii / WiiU design completely though I like them very much.

 

[Zombegoast]

Maybe not Yamcha, but Tien. Fully capable when he needs to be, but knows his limits & tried not to rock the boat too much.

Nah it's more like Gohan. He used to be the strongest but then quickly looses all that muscle he has gain in it's later years.

 

[Nanashrew]

Yup, welcome back.

So, do you think that tip will pan out in the final release?

Mmm, dunno. Devkits get lots of changes and we don't know what the new feature of the system could be. I'm waiting on more leaks and Nintendo's announcement before I really get into discussion of power. I'm more interested on the concepts behind the system and what they're planning to do with it. All the talk of a unified ecosystem is good and the new NDI initiative is good and I like that they are looking at ease of development more.

Blu or Vena have a better understanding of tech than I do on what kinds of things Nintendo could use for their system to achieve parity though. I'm not really familiar on a lot of that.

 

[Nibel]

heh

sony fans and microsoft fans have been rused
nintendo has launched the trojan horse with...NINTENDO WII U TO NX

firmware update unlocks new graphics and cpu cores
unlocks dx 13 and 4k

nx super hardware was under our noses all along...
the trojan horse.......
~~~only possible with the power of N~~~

uncle I told you to not post on GAF anymore, otherwise nintendo will send its ninjas after you

 

[Markoman]

Well, that thread was looking DOA from the start, but great effort on creating it.

And getting back for the discussion there, NX will be more like Yamcha on that scale


Just watch it happen

No way, you are exaggerating. I'd say Gohan in angry-mode at least. Wait, do we have DBZ posts left in this thread?

 

[darkinstinct]

It's what Takashi was told by those that have seen the NX Tech Demo, actual specs he was not informed about. The Wall Street Journal probably would not have let him post that if it were false information, they need to verify these things.

"Cutting Edge Chips" to run the demo on PC, could also mean gaming PC's with the latest or close to latest GPU/CPU's dedicated for gaming.

It could just mean they are using DX12.2 specific features.Not many PCs can do so.

 

[Neoxon]

Nah it's more like Gohan. He used to be the strongest but then quickly looses all that muscle he has gain.

That's because Gohan was hardcore slacking on his training (to the point where Vegeta called him out on it). Though Gohan would make a good analogy for Nintendo as a whole. They can be OP if they kept up their training, but they don't.

 

[Oxn]

People are really going to set themselves up for disappointment when the NX launches

I agree, but the ride to that point will be fun.

 

[Nanashrew]

heh

sony fans and microsoft fans have been rused
nintendo has launched the trojan horse with...NINTENDO WII U TO NX

firmware update unlocks new graphics and cpu cores
unlocks dx 13 and 4k

nx super hardware was under our noses all along...
the trojan horse.......
~~~only possible with the power of N~~~

How do you know about the secret sauce?!

 

[Meesh]

My universe revolves around Monster Hunter. If MHNX happens I'll cry with sheer glee as the happiest bearded bastard hunter on Gaf.

 

[Kandinsky]

Neoxon, you failed us with that thread title lol D:

 

[GDGF]

Side of caution and all that, but weren't there reports that Nintendo showed select third parties the NX concept at E3, and those third parties were pleased with what they saw?

This could be why.

Just saying.

 

[Neoxon]

My universe revolves around Monster Hunter. If MHNX happens I'll cry with sheer glee as the happiest bearded bastard hunter on Gaf.

They'll have to make it look good since the NX Handheld will probably be a good bit more powerful than the Vita.

 

[L Thammy]

So that makes NX handheld, what, Emperor Pilaf?

Spoiler

Handheld = Bills, Console = Whis. Rock the dragon

 

[cws]

It won't be as powerful as the Xbox One.

Most of the cost will be in the form factor of the hardware and its portability.

Considering how much the One will cost next year... I don't think Nintendo wants to launch 3 years later with weaker system. At least it should be at XBO Level. Just can't see them using much a GPU with less than 1TF.

Unless their main goal is to run OS4/XBO games at 720p.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

That thread got locked with only 3 DBZ related posts. Horrible.

Worst; there were no Yaumcha vs. Tien posts

ModBot must be Whis.

EDIT: Plenty of Yamcha and Tien talk in this thread tho. This is good.

 

[Kouriozan]

Well the main thread that was heading in the direction of taking his word as messiah was locked

So hopefully it won't bite him in the ass anymore, seems like a genuine journalist who is just reporting on what he heard.

I see, that was infortunate.

 

[Neoxon]

So that makes NX handheld, what, Emperor Pilaf?

Spoiler

Handheld = Beerus, Console = Whis. Rock the dragon

FTFY

 

[AmyS]

Regardless of what the actual CPU/GPU power might be, or will be when finalized, I smell some High Bandwidth Memory in there, at least some current HBM1. 4GB / 512GB/sec.
Would give NX a lot more bandwidth than PS4, and still more than Xbox One ESRAM.
couple that with 8GB conventional system memory.

And a very custom GPU with maybe some novel rendering techniques (not radically new, just better way of doing things than older tech) to do more with a relatively modest size / TDP budget.

Or am I eating too many fruit loops ?

 

[L Thammy]

heh

sony fans and microsoft fans have been rused
nintendo has launched the trojan horse with...NINTENDO WII U TO NX

firmware update unlocks new graphics and cpu cores
unlocks dx 13 and 4k

nx super hardware was under our noses all along...
the trojan horse.......
~~~only possible with the power of N~~~

So you're saying that NX will be the first console with Super Saiyan capability.

 

[viHuGi]

Zelda as Launch Tittle please.

 

[Nanashrew]

Side of caution and all that, but weren't there reports that Nintendo showed select third parties the NX concept at E3, and those third parties were pleased with what they saw?

This could be why.

Just saying.

I'm sure there are some that are pleased. Dragon Quest 11 was announced for it.

 

[freenudemacusers]

heh

sony fans and microsoft fans have been rused
nintendo has launched the trojan horse with...NINTENDO WII U TO NX

firmware update unlocks new graphics and cpu cores
unlocks dx 13 and 4k

nx super hardware was under our noses all along...
the trojan horse.......
~~~only possible with the power of N~~~

Don't forget the firmware upgrade that will unlock full backwards compatibility for all Nintendo games. Even the mobile ones.

 

[PdotMichael]

Regardless of what the actual CPU/GPU power might be, or will be when finalized, I smell some High Bandwidth Memory in there, at least some current HBM1. 4GB / 512GB/sec.
Would give NX a lot more bandwidth than PS4, and still more than Xbox One ESRAM.
couple that with 8-12GB conventional system memory.

And a very custom GPU with maybe some novel rendering techniques (not radically new, just better way of doing things than older tech) to do more with a relatively modest size / TDP budget

Or am I eating too many fruit loops ?

Why would you want to invest in all kinds of things which would only indirectly improve the capacities of the NX while making it quite expensive?

 

[Neoxon]

Zelda as Launch Tittle please.

Zelda will probably be a cross-gen release.

 

[Agent Unknown]

As much as anyone can speculate about what seems to make sense to us as fans or from an industry standpoint as to how the system will ultimately take shape, I keep hearing Dan Adelman's somewhat scathing words about Nintendo's management ringing in my ears from the interview below which ran earlier this year. My fear is it will be hard for the new system to break free of NCL's overly conservative past and get what it needs to be successful because Nintendo is a Kyoto based company with Kyoto based management:

http://dromble.com/2015/01/21/forme...os-culture-third-party-support-and-much-more/

In many interviews, you’ve spoken publicly about how difficult it was to pass policies and get things done at Nintendo. For example, in your Kotaku interview you said, “I absolutely did try to fight internally to change whatever I could.” In your IndieGamerchick interview, you said, “Unfortunately, it was hard to get the changes I needed because no one could hear me over the ringing of all the cash registers.”

But why was it so difficult to get things done at Nintendo?

Is there a lot of bureaucracy, additional layers of management, and red tape?

Is it because NOA offices are not very autonomous, and you need to always report to Japan (NCL)?

Adelman: Nintendo is not only a Japanese company, it is a Kyoto-based company. For people who aren’t familiar, Kyoto-based are to Japanese companies as Japanese companies are to US companies. They’re very traditional, and very focused on hierarchy and group decision making. Unfortunately, that creates a culture where everyone is an advisor and no one is a decision maker – but almost everyone has veto power.

Even Mr. Iwata is often loathe to make a decision that will alienate one of the executives in Japan, so to get anything done, it requires laying a lot of groundwork: talking to the different groups, securing their buy-in, and using that buy-in to get others on board. At the subsidiary level, this is even more pronounced, since people have to go through this process first at NOA or NOE (or sometimes both) and then all over again with headquarters. All of this is not necessarily a bad thing, though it can be very inefficient and time consuming. The biggest risk is that at any step in that process, if someone flat out says no, the proposal is as good as dead. So in general, bolder ideas don’t get through the process unless they originate at the top.

There are two other problems that come to mind. First, at the risk of sounding ageist, because of the hierarchical nature of Japanese companies, it winds up being that the most senior executives at the company cut their teeth during NES and Super NES days and do not really understand modern gaming, so adopting things like online gaming, account systems, friends lists, as well as understanding the rise of PC gaming has been very slow. Ideas often get shut down prematurely just because some people with the power to veto an idea simply don’t understand it.

The last problem is that there is very little reason to try and push these ideas. Risk taking is generally not really rewarded. Long-term loyalty is ultimately what gets rewarded, so the easiest path is simply to stay the course. I’d love to see Nintendo make a more concerted effort to encourage people at all levels of the company to feel empowered to push through ambitious proposals, and then get rewarded for doing so.

It will be interesting to see if Iwata's death and Kimishima taking the reigns have changed the culture there in any degree.

 

[Dawg]

heh

sony fans and microsoft fans have been rused
nintendo has launched the trojan horse with...NINTENDO WII U TO NX

firmware update unlocks new graphics and cpu cores
unlocks dx 13 and 4k

nx super hardware was under our noses all along...
the trojan horse.......
~~~only possible with the power of N~~~

iwata gave his life

not for honor

but for wii u

 

[Mory Dunz]

Side of caution and all that, but weren't there reports that Nintendo showed select third parties the NX concept at E3, and those third parties were pleased with what they saw?

This could be why.

Just saying.

Maybe those third parties were like Lego (Traveller's Tales), Skylanders (Activision), Platinun, and Disney. AKA, companies that already get decent sales on the Wii U despite its power. So NX being pleasing could mean little...

to play devil's advocate and all.

 

[EatChildren]

Don't forget the firmware upgrade that will unlock full backwards compatibility for all Nintendo games. Even the mobile ones.

i dont want to spill all the secret sauces but lets just say yes you can play all nintendo games including nintendo 64 and also maybe some surprises lets say have you heard of uncharted on nintendo

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Worst; there were no Yaumcha vs. Tien posts

ModBot must be Whis.

ModBot's Dr. Gero

 

[FelipeMGM]

DBZ jokes aside, I dont think it doesnt even make sense to put a console way more powerfull than Xbox One and PS4.

Nintendo can prob make and sell a hardware like the current ones for $299 and get the same third party support and still make amazing looking first party games in the hardware. Nintendo studios are amazing, just look what they did with Mario Galaxy on Wii, their console doesnt need to be a powerhouse to make stunning games.

 

[AmyS]

Why would you want to invest in all kinds of things which would only indirectly improve the capacities of the NX while making it quite expensive?

True, you've got a point there.

 

[Neoxon]

ModBot's Dr. Gero

But....

On-topic, I don't think the NX Console will be overly powerful. Price is indeed a factor.

 

[Doctre81]

If the rumors of a strong NX are true, i'm curious as to how Nintendo managed to get a better deal than Sony and MS so as to have a cheap entree to consumers console(something Miyamoto said the goal was) while at the same time being as strong as advertised while at the same time being as failure free as their previous consoles.

Well coming out 3-4 years later might help.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Wow the other thread got locked? lol? It was an official source why lock that?

 

[jroc74]

Indeed you could say a "industry leading chip" is a common as dirt Snapdragon found in most phones nowadays.

Yea....and he said industry leading or cutting edge. Which makes me still think it could just be common hardware and not common hardware with better specs than PS4 or XBO.

We shall see tho.

Side of caution and all that, but weren't there reports that Nintendo showed select third parties the NX concept at E3, and those third parties were pleased with what they saw?

This could be why.

Just saying.

You have a point....

 

[Nanashrew]

As much as anyone can speculate about what seems to make sense to us as fans or from an industry standpoint, I keep hearing Dan Adelman's somewhat scathing words about Nintendo's management ringing in my ears from the interview below which ran earlier this year. My fear is it will be hard for the new system to break free of NCL's overly conservative past and get what it needs to be successful because Nintendo is a Kyoto based company with Kyoto based management:

http://dromble.com/2015/01/21/forme...os-culture-third-party-support-and-much-more/

I do wonder how much could change with Kimishima as the current interim since he's more western focused. It will likely be awhile before a new president is ready and they still have an option to vote to keep him on longer if they feel he is good for the job.

 

[L Thammy]

Zelda as Launch Tittle please.

Nintendo working with Team Ninja yet again.

Wow the other thread got locked? lol? It was an official source why lock that?

Probably because the title was bad and the statement was vague.

 

[Markoman]

So you're saying that NX will be the first console with Super Saiyan capability.

Wait, didn't Iwata say that NX will absorb WiiU's and 3DS's architecture?
NX= Boo after absorbing Gotenks

Can somebody open up a new thread with this new insight? ;P

 

[StevieP]

x86 CPU's have stagnated for like 6 years, but have become more power efficient
GPU's have also stagnated

Building something that's competitive without the 20%~ overhead Windows PC suffer should be in the realms of possible

You're vastly overstating the impact of Windows. Especially as it's seemingly reserving less than the ps4 does for its os for example.

 

[GDGF]

Maybe those third parties were like Lego (Traveller's Tales), Skylanders (Activision), Platinun, and Disney. AKA, companies that already get decent sales on the Wii U despite its power. So NX being pleasing could mean little...

to play devil's advocate and all.

That could be true as well. I do believe one thing is certain though. With kits in the wild if the NX is a piece of shit we'll hear about it soon enough. A lesson learned from the Wii U years is third party devs have absolutely no problem shouting about Nintendo's deficiencies in a public manner

 

[freenudemacusers]

Wow the other thread got locked? lol? It was an official source why lock that?

Modbot just upgraded its PC and couldn't handle the fact he'll never play 4K ray traced Mario on it.

 

[Neoxon]

Modbot just upgraded its PC and couldn't handle the fact he'll never play 4K ray traced Mario on it.

It's fine. I just have to extra-careful with my threads from here on so I don't get junior'd, again.

Back on-topic, I wonder why nobody's talking about the NX Handheld?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Nintendo working with Team Ninja yet again.



Probably because the title was bad and the statement was vague.

They rename threads every single day.

 

[Neoxon]

They rename threads every single day.

I did suggest a title rename that was offered up by someone else, but again, no use crying over spilled milk. But yeah, I guess the vague statement didn't do the thread any favors.

 

[EatChildren]

End of the day it doesn't matter what the hardware is, as long as it's affordable and fun, and Nintendo announces they're publishing a third party franchise that everybody gets really upset about.

 

[Nanashrew]

End of the day it doesn't matter what the hardware is, as long as it's affordable and fun, and Nintendo announces they're publishing a third party franchise that everybody gets really upset about.

Yay Bayonetta 3!

 

[xDUMPWEEDx]

and Nintendo announces they're publishing a third party franchise that everybody gets really upset about.

Half-Life 3 NX exclusive, IMO.

 

[Markoman]

I did suggest a title rename that was offered up by someone else, but again, no use crying over spilled milk. But yeah, I guess the vague statement didn't do the thread any favors.

Nevermind, I see the closed thread being quoted endlessly in the years to come.

 

[Dawg]

End of the day it doesn't matter what the hardware is, as long as it's affordable and fun, and Nintendo announces they're publishing a third party franchise that everybody gets really upset about.

Okamiibo.