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WSJ: Nintendo Begins Distributing Software Kit for NX (Console + Handheld units)
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Where did we first hear about this?
fredrancour
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I think it came from one of those "why on earth are you even bothering with this ridiculous nonsense"-level-of-fake rumor posts on another forum and has survived as a joke because it's just so utterly bizarre that it's astonishing to see people making up fake rumors who don't care at all about being believed.
The best rumor people fell for ever.
PdotMichael
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reminds me that GameCube had also pretty small memory cards for whatever reasons, which were a pain the ass to use (lol, 59 blocks) and killed some features.
Twas an early Wii U rumor me thinks.
Supposed to be the spiritual (lol) sequel to Geist.
James Scott
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It's not real. Not sure why people think this. It's also super old
Aside from the biggest enthusiasts, most people don't buy secondary consoles. They either stick with what they already have or jump ship if something more enticing comes along.
You always have to design a console with the intent of it being someone's primary device. Even the Wii was advertised as a revolutionary way to play games, not as a companion system that you buy alongside your PS3 or 360.
Shhhh, that's not part of "the narrative"
Only the Xbox version had online. Funny enough the GC version outsold it despite that but then Capcom skipped the system for subsequent fighter ports anyway (MVC2, 3rd Strike, etc). Another case of a 3rd party dropping GC for no real good reason.
Actually I guess the DC and PS2 versions did use Capcom's KDDI service for online in Japan.
……forgetit
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They could seriously produce a $300 console that can compete with PS4 hardware wise, also if they cheap out on hardware we'll just have another Wii U situation. It won't be competitive if it's weak.
It's the best controller of all time, but yeah, forcing games onto it that weren't designed for it didn't always play out.
Cheeseman Battitude
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Yes please. Only the N64 had it internal IIRC, and even that was removable.
Sony proves that a top system like the PS4 can be reasonably sized and still have the PSU inside.
Dr. Feel Good
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Outside of fighting games and arguably FPS, what was the problem with the controller? Especially considering the GameCube was the only system with a legit wireless option.
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sörine;182080139 said:
If I recall correctly the only good console version of MvC2 was the one on DreamCast.
Personally I prefer the brick, it's easier to deal with 110v-220v shenaningans.
Zombegoast
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With all the new API reducing the CPU overhead and boosting game performance by double, What can prevent the NX to be equivalent to the X1/PS4 or even surpass them? Nintendo would literally have to reuse the same hardware on the Wii U but using a ARM processor instead with a bit more ram. The NX would be like a New Wii U and would probably go nowhere with AAA publishers.
Wii U was the industry leader in terms of hardware components amongst home consoles for one year, until PS4&XBO released.
Guess it depends on how you read into the phrase, "industry leading chips."
Jonneh3003
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I have nothing against power bricks, surely they're more of a convenience if there console gets damaged? Replacing a power brick is cheaper than an internal PSU.
PdotMichael
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That's not what an industry leader is.
Not having enough buttons, a d pad the size of a lucky charm marshmallow, a nipple second stick and weirdly shaped face button.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Nope. Sorry can't co-sign on that one.
Yes, given that the arcade version of MvC2 used the NAOMI board, same hardware has Dreamcast, just more RAM and VRAM. http://system16.com/hardware.php?id=800
Hero of Legend
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Absolutely my fav of all time.
You and Pdot can keep shifting those goal posts.
The ps4 was sold at a per-unit loss at launch. What it was sold with or what it sold for half a year later are irrelevant.
ReyVGM
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Best post I've read today.
Gurgelhals
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Is it really that simple? As far as I know, cpu microarchitectures are only modular to a certain degree. You can, for example, create a somewhat scaled down x86 core suited for ultraportable notebooks and things like the Surface, but an x86 cpu for smartphones is out of the question (which is why neither Intel nor AMD ever managed to make any inroads into that market - ARM is just more efficient on that level). And there's probably also a limit to how much you can actually scale up an ARM cpu. Sure, it would be cool if Nintendo could somehow put a supercharged multicore ARM cpu in the stationary part of NX and use a scaled down version in the handheld. I'm not sure whether this is actually possible though.
PdotMichael
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Stop acting like a little child.
Original post was that the Playstation 4 is a big money sink, which is just not true.
Playstation 4 business was profitable from day one and improved in less than 6 months with the console itself being sold at a profit.
Also visible on the operating profit of the Gaming Division.
The narration of the Playstation 4 as money sink is just plain wrong.
Fess
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Playstation 2 was too big and popular after PS1, it swallowed everything, DC was killed off and GC and Xbox both missed out on some of the biggest third party titles of that gen simply because PS2 was too big. I don't think it's fair to use that generation as an example of how a powerful Nintendo core gaming console would do today.
Hip Hop
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Both the ps2 and Xbox got titles that the GC didn't, even though the Xbox wasnt a huge success. I think it's fair to compare. Hell, even a Wii u and ps3/360 comparison is fair. Nintendo has a lot to do with relations if they ever want to succeed in having good third party support ever again. This has been going since the N64 days. It's a mess.
There are ARM cores that outperform the Jaguars in current consoles.
But I didn't say that. I said it wasn't a 2-300 dollar money sink (like their previous console) despite the per unit loss at launch. The original assertion was that the ps4 was sold for a profit at launch and that simply wasn't true. Reading comprehension my friend
Top of the line ARM chips like in the latest iPhone give Atom a run for their money and beat them in single threaded performance (@ same clocks). And that's a mobile chip, ARM can be deployed with higher power envelope like the one you expect from a console.
PdotMichael
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But I didn't say that. I said it wasn't a 2-300 dollar money sink (like their previous console) despite the per unit loss at launch. The original assertion was that the ps4 was sold for a profit at launch and that simply wasn't true. Reading comprehension my friend
Yes, and? You can't just change the goalposts and then claim other people are wrong. Also asspulling "original assetion", holy fuck.
The "original assetion" aka the post you quoted was also:
Come on, try harder.
Hero of Legend
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What Nintendo needs is *gets ridiculously mile-long list* ahem...
Strictly software ATM:
1. More IP partnerships. Specifically making more 3rd-party IPs into near 1st-party, as in reliable exclusives that won't just jump ship at the first opportunity. Examples; Sonic, Bayonetta, Bomberman, etc.
2. New studios. Form new ones, preferably based on groups of common background, especially from their golden era. Playtonic would've been perfect. ND Cube is the right idea, it's just a shame at the moment they're on the party hamster wheel.
3. Save studios instead of seeing them go belly up. Perfect examples; Cing, Eurocom, Hudson (ND Cube is them but still, would've came with the IPs).
4. New major franchises by creators of IPs very near to them. I've said all the time that Nintendo should get Hirokazu Yasuhara, Naoto Ohshima, and Yuji Naka on a Sonic successor. And again, Playtonic with Yooka-Laylee is another.
5. Try getting definitive versions and retail-exclusives of perfect games for them; again, YOOKA-LAYLEE!
I've thought about them publishing a retail release of an NX version, complete with amiibo support featuring DK and Diddy. Like Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge, it won't kill the other versions, but it'll be the main highlight. Sonic also failing exclusivity, but you can do both; definitive versions of multiplat Sonic games, and major exclusive entries, you get the idea.
6. Get as many JRPGs on the NX as humanly possible, thanks.
It's sad that Nintendo let slip so many obvious ideas that were in the palm of their hands. Nintendo doesn't really need to create their own GTA or whatever, just serve more of what people love about them IMO.
Strictly software ATM:
1. More IP partnerships. Specifically making more 3rd-party IPs into near 1st-party, as in reliable exclusives that won't just jump ship at the first opportunity. Examples; Sonic, Bayonetta, Bomberman, etc.
2. New studios. Form new ones, preferably based on groups of common background, especially from their golden era. Playtonic would've been perfect. ND Cube is the right idea, it's just a shame at the moment they're on the party hamster wheel.
3. Save studios instead of seeing them go belly up. Perfect examples; Cing, Eurocom, Hudson (ND Cube is them but still, would've came with the IPs).
4. New major franchises by creators of IPs very near to them. I've said all the time that Nintendo should get Hirokazu Yasuhara, Naoto Ohshima, and Yuji Naka on a Sonic successor. And again, Playtonic with Yooka-Laylee is another.
5. Try getting definitive versions and retail-exclusives of perfect games for them; again, YOOKA-LAYLEE!
I've thought about them publishing a retail release of an NX version, complete with amiibo support featuring DK and Diddy. Like Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge, it won't kill the other versions, but it'll be the main highlight. Sonic also failing exclusivity, but you can do both; definitive versions of multiplat Sonic games, and major exclusive entries, you get the idea. 6. Get as many JRPGs on the NX as humanly possible, thanks.
It's sad that Nintendo let slip so many obvious ideas that were in the palm of their hands. Nintendo doesn't really need to create their own GTA or whatever, just serve more of what people love about them IMO.
^ I would add a better balance between their usual kid-friendly characters and IPs that skew towards an older audience. Barring another popular novelty like the Wiimote, Nintendo won't get very far if all they have to offer is their usual stable of cereal mascots, decent ports of current-gen multiplats and JRPGs, even if the NX gets everything else right.
When you narrow down the audience of a Nintendo console to the companies base supporters, they have singular tastes and will only support a few genres.
To this day, games like Rayman and Shovel Knight will perform better on Nintendo devices than competitors with far bigger install bases, where as monster AAA games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty don't sell at all.
If you want a meaningful variety of multiplatform titles, you need a meaningful variety of gamers to buy your system. You're not going to appeal to them by selling them games they can play on their PC's or PS4's, you need an exclusive base that attracts them.
To this day, games like Rayman and Shovel Knight will perform better on Nintendo devices than competitors with far bigger install bases, where as monster AAA games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty don't sell at all.
If you want a meaningful variety of multiplatform titles, you need a meaningful variety of gamers to buy your system. You're not going to appeal to them by selling them games they can play on their PC's or PS4's, you need an exclusive base that attracts them.
Smiles and Cries
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what are the downsides if Nintendo went this route?
Bear in mind they will probably be getting a chip that is somewhat customized specifically to their requirement, it won't just be something off the shelf. It's just going to be a case of balancing capability with cost. The fastest ARM chips are more than capable for a top end console.
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One obvious thing the NEED to do is launch with a Nintendo Skylanders/Disney Infinity type toys to life game.
Amiibos are huge, and there's tons of people who own a bunch who'd jump at a game that actually made worthwhile use of them. That would help a lot of Nintendo fans jump on board at launch for sure. Especially alongside the new Zelda and some other good core launch titles.
Amiibos are huge, and there's tons of people who own a bunch who'd jump at a game that actually made worthwhile use of them. That would help a lot of Nintendo fans jump on board at launch for sure. Especially alongside the new Zelda and some other good core launch titles.
Smiles and Cries
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would still fail just because it is still a Nintendo product
just copying the trend does not mean X1/PS4 owners will jump to purchase Nintendo hardware for Retro's version of Destiny/Halo/Titanfall
Yeah, the original assertion was that the PS4 was profitable from day 1.
He said it wasn't.
One person said it was 6 months later and the other said it was if someonr bought a game with it.
Both of which are different ways of saying "The PS4 wasn't profitable by itself from day 1."
Which is what he said.
Herb Alpert
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I see Splatoon as their version of this kind of game.
PdotMichael
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Which is true.
There isn't much to discuss about it. PS4 was designed to make profit from day 1 which was archived.
Smiles and Cries
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yeah Splatoon is a smarter move than the 'me too' he is suggesting
Hip Hop
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If Nintendo were smart, they would actually try and get the next Titanfall and Destiny sequels on the NX.
I agree, they need to cash in with an Amiibo specific game before it's too late and people lose interst in those figures.
They don't have an unlimited pool of characters too, I'll be interesting to see what they'll release next, maybe new Zelda figures for the next 3D game.
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