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[Fatalah]

What a show!

 

[funkystudent]

Read "double steal cage match main events" and thought they where going full WCW carny and doing a double cage

 

[Plinko]

So the return of the biggest WCW PPV is given the honor of a house show.

Keep on Vinceing, Vince.

 

[Lulubop]

Halloween Havoc next.

 

[Alfredo]

Kinda dissapointed it wasn't Halloween Havoc that they brought back, but when I think of Starrcade I think of this awesome track.

 

[komarkaze]

Is the payoff to Dolph Ziggler story of him copying everyone's entrances that he can't copy Bobby Roode's Glorious entrance?

 

[bigkrev]

Halloween Havoc next.

 

[giancarlo123x]

Halloween Havoc next.

Yes. Just get that blow up yard decor and place it on stage. And be sponsored by snickers

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

YOU WANT ME DEATH?

WOO

I'M RIGHT HERE

COME GET ME DEATH

*gong*

should replace it with a King of the Road PPV, every match is King of the Road rules.

Might as well just have an Empty Arena PPV then.

Spoiler

Though every WWE PPV will be in an empty arena in #FiveYears.

 

[Bladelaw]

I'm a super lapsed wrestling fan and I think this might actually get me to start the free WWEN sub. Any of the matches look like they have potential? I'm not familiar with most of the cast here but I can go back and catch up if necessary.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Says all you need to know about the business that they need to dig deep in the nostalgia crates to generate any hype for their events anymore

 

[giancarlo123x]

I'm a super lapsed wrestling fan and I think this might actually get me to start the free WWEN sub. Any of the matches look like they have potential? I'm not familiar with most of the cast here but I can go back and catch up if necessary.

Zayn/Owens and usos/new day is guaranteed fire.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Zayn/Owens and usos/new day is guaranteed fire.

Guaranteed empty arenas is what this roster is doing these days

Creative would think that people would eventually get sick of seeing the same matches 100+ times

 

[Penguin]

Guaranteed empty arenas is what this roster is doing these days

Creative would think that people would eventually get sick of seeing the same matches 100+ times

Well you'll see the same matches over and over on house shows, which makes sense

But noted

 

[BobTheFork]

should replace it with a King of the Road PPV, every match is King of the Road rules.

Everyone blades and gets fired!

I was at Starrcade 93!

 

[DeathyBoy]

nice card, but I'm tired of Uso vs New Day feud. They've been feuding since like forever. Should have been Gable & Benjamin instead of New Day. While this feud is progressing, New Day need to sideline a little while and be repackaged for their return. I think their second heel turn is due.

Turning New Day heel wouldn't work. They're at Eddie level - fans are going to cheer them regardless. And WWE trying to get fans to boo
Eddie was just a complete train wreck.

ETA - and what the fuck at people throwing snark at Zayn vs Owens? Legitimately one of the best feuds of the modern age.

 

[MechaX]

LOOK, UP IN THE RAFTERS! IT'S STANNNNG! STANG IS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

NO, IT'S BOGUS STANG.. STANG IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.

WAIT, THAT'S THE REAL ONE! THE REAL STANG IS HERE! BUSINESS IS ABOUT TO PICK UP BIG TIME! THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE LEFT, FOLKS! WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK!

Remember that time that Sting had a Sting Army

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Well you'll see the same matches over and over on house shows, which makes sense

But noted

I’m talking televised events, you draw people to the house shows based on the quality of the television program. You think it’s some random coincidence that as ratings have tanked so has live attendance? As someone who watches the television show, if I’m seeing Uso/New Day every damn week I’m not going to be interested in seeing them live if their is a live event nearby.

Brand split has been a disaster, you don’t split an already weak roster just because creative didn’t know how to make Smackdown relevant

 

[Toki767]

So this is just a house show?

 

[The Albatross]

I’m talking televised events, you draw people to the house shows based on the quality of the television program. You think it’s some random coincidence that as ratings have tanked so has live attendance? As someone who watches the television show, if I’m seeing Uso/New Day every damn week I’m not going to be interested in seeing them live if their is a live event nearby.

Brand split has been a disaster, you don’t split an already weak roster just because creative didn’t know how to make Smackdown relevant

As a pro wrestling hanger on...

Is the roster weak or is it that WWE creative has no idea how to handle the roster? From what it looks like, this is one of the strongest rosters ever in terms of talent, it's just that the writing, booking, and how talent is used is terrible.

 

[Bronx-Man]

This might actually draw a crowd in Greensboro. From the old-timers here that still remember NWA/WCW that is.

 

[Risette]

As a pro wrestling hanger on...

Is the roster weak or is it that WWE creative has no idea how to handle the roster? From what it looks like, this is one of the strongest rosters ever in terms of talent, it's just that the writing, booking, and how talent is used is terrible.

It's creative.

Roster is probably the strongest it's ever been in terms of sheer collective talent.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

As a pro wrestling hanger on...

Is the roster weak or is it that WWE creative has no idea how to handle the roster? From what it looks like, this is one of the strongest rosters ever in terms of talent, it's just that the writing, booking, and how talent is used is terrible.

We’re talking pro wrasslin, so obviously it’s all subjective, but I think this roster is all time weak. Yes this roster has greater workers and are obviously as athelitic as a roster has ever been but there are zero stars, or anyone who is memorable in anyway besides being a “great worker”. The only stars I see on the roster are Brock, Reigns, Cena, Strowman and Orton. Guys like Owens, who towered over by Shane lol, are just a mid card level talent to me. Can’t take them seriously at top positions, Balor is someone else I wouldn’t picture with anything more than the European title in the Attitude Era.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Undertaker vs Sting @ Starrcade

 

[The Elite]

So this is just a house show?

It's a house show that might end up being a Network Special. It appears I made an error initially calling it that.

 

[Finky Spunky]

No Starrcade is good. I watched it for the first time in 2017, god only knows how much nostalgia people get who watched it than and rewatch it now.

 

[DeathyBoy]

It's creative.

Roster is probably the strongest it's ever been in terms of sheer collective talent.

Not probably, it is.

Compare the average Wyatt match after five years to the shite Taker was doing five years in.

 

[Heroman]

As a pro wrestling hanger on...

Is the roster weak or is it that WWE creative has no idea how to handle the roster? From what it looks like, this is one of the strongest rosters ever in terms of talent, it's just that the writing, booking, and how talent is used is terrible.

Creative, if put most of WWE legit talented guys in allot of era or promotion they would be stars.

 

[fhqwhgads]

We’re talking pro wrasslin, so obviously it’s all subjective, but I think this roster is all time weak. Yes this roster has greater workers and are obviously as athelitic as a roster has ever been but there are zero stars, or anyone who is memorable in anyway besides being a “great worker”. The only stars I see on the roster are Brock, Reigns, Cena, Strowman and Orton. Guys like Owens, who towered over by Shane lol, are just a mid card level talent to me. Can’t take them seriously at top positions, Balor is someone else I wouldn’t picture with anything more than the European title in the Attitude Era.

I never believe the whole "You gotta have the look" part of wrestling. If we go by that, guys like Bret and Shawn would've never became WWF champion.

 

[Heroman]

I never believe the whole "You gotta have the look" part of wrestling. If we go by that, guys like Bret and Shawn would've never became WWF champion.

Or Eddie
Or Wild Pegasus
Etc

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

I never believe the whole "You gotta have the look" part of wrestling. If we go by that, guys like Bret and Shawn would've never became WWF champion.

Shawn Michaels had more charisma in his pinky than this entire roster. Bret Hart I agree with you, he's someone that got over because of his work rate alone, but very few have.

Or Eddie
Or Wild Pegasus
Etc

Eddie didn't become champion until after he blew up with the Latino Heat gimmick and became a great personality. Benoit is like Bret, one of the very few that got over on work rate alone

 

[Heroman]

Shawn Michaels had more charisma in his pinky than this entire roster. Bret Hart I agree with you, he’s someone that got over because of his work rate alone, but very few have.



Eddie didn’t become champion until after he blew up with the Latino Heat gimmick and became a great personality. Benoit is like Bret, one of the very few that got over on work rate alone

Brayn
Finn
Etc

 

[HarryDemeanor]

This isn't War Games.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Brayn
Finn
Etc

I guess this is where we agree to disagree, because I don’t think Balor is over, there is a reason he’s back in the mid card now

 

[plagiarize]

I guess this is where we agree to disagree, because I don’t think Balor is over, there is a reason he’s back in the mid card now

Ah yes, the "If you aren't currently competing for the biggest title you are not over" fallacy.

 

[Heroman]

I guess this is where we agree to disagree, because I don’t think Balor is over, there is a reason he’s back in the mid card now

He super over when he first came to the main roster, and the reason he is on the midcard is because of Vinny Mac bad booking.

 

[Maddocks]

That card.....look out starcade 86, ya days are numbered!

 

[CanUKlehead]

This isn't War Games.

I know logistically they'll never do it, but even though I had to suspend disbelief even more with War Games (mostly the heels winning the coin flip every damn time-thing), I love the double cage, and the alternating entrances.

I suppose a team-based, I Quit version of the Elimination Chamber accomplishes something similar

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

They are actually having it in Greensboro which shows they already understand the event more than WCW, who never had it there once.

 

[DeathyBoy]

He super over when he first came to the main roster, and the reason he is on the midcard is because of Vinny Mac bad booking.

Joe wasn't over until he faced Brock

 

[Striker]

Not probably, it is.

Compare the average Wyatt match after five years to the shite Taker was doing five years in.

Feuding with Mankind? Not even close.

In terms of workrate it isn't even close to what WWE had between 2001-2003. And the characters are either unimaginative or completely generic. Guys look stock as ever. To stand out WWE tries putting these labels on guys and comes off forced as hell, ie. Seth Rollins or Dean Ambrose.

 

[Syder]

New logo is pretty bland

 

[Buckle]

I miss WCW sometimes. It was always my jam more than the WWE was even if it did turn into a fucking nightmare at the end.

Excited to see them bring back the zombified corpse of one of it's PPVs.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

New logo is pretty bland

Will fit nicely on the ring apron.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Please give me a Ric Flair/Mean Gene promo



MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEANNNNN BAH GAWD BAH GAWD BAH GAWD GENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

We are in Greensboro, North Carolinah and baby we lookin good! WOO!!!

When the cops storm the ring and arrest Ric for unpaid alimony will it be a work or a shoot?

 

[Buckle]

I don't think I truly realized how shit looking that version of the WCW logo was until now.

 

[Syder]

Will fit nicely on the ring apron.

They could've at least used the same font and put a drop shadow on it.

I don't think I truly realized how shit looking that version of the WCW logo was until now.

Yeah, it's pretty bad, I've always disliked it.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

I don't think I truly realized how shit looking that version of the WCW logo was until now.

Actual newspaper ad for the logo change:

 

[impirius]

New logo is pretty bland

what a high-Impact logo

 

[Aiii]

WCW Forever!

Bah, kill it with fire. #NotMyStarrcade