I'm fairly certain playing an action games on gaikai will suck ass unless you live close to the data centre. It'll be useful for the jRPG back library but ass for most of the rest. I'm pretty pessimistic on both.
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XB1: Microsoft Claims that Cloud Computing Can Provide Power of 3 XB1's, 32 X360's
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I'm fairly certain playing an action games on gaikai will suck ass unless you live close to the data centre. It'll be useful for the jRPG back library but ass for most of the rest. I'm pretty pessimistic on both.
cripterion
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No one would have guessed judging from your post in this thread!
BigSpleenRupture
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Thanks for your contribution. Relevance? I don't support companies I buy products, had a 360 before ps3 because it was a better product, got a PS4 first now because it's a better product, you should try it.
I tried playing Deus Ex HR using Onlive and it was awful. Constant compression issues, massive tearing, input lag. It was not fun.
Every time I hear this it sounds like Microsoft is saying they are going to depend on cloud computing to make games far more powerful than what the hardware is capable of. And every time I hear it, this makes it sounds like if there's a network outage, a scheduled maintenance or, in 5-10 years, a new console and the servers are turned off, these games would have zero playability. That doesn't sound like something I'd want to spend $500 to buy into.
rokkerkory
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PRrrrrr
cripterion
Member
C'mon, you're all over the place in this thread, just reread your posts. You seem highly aggressive towards people who don't share your opinions.
But continue this is entertaining.
Yea input lag for with a mouse is some painful shit. I gave it a go and tried Duke Nukem Forever (what?), and Dirt 3. Was done after about 10 minutes of each.
Give credit where credit is due. The XB1 does multi-tasking in a more comprehensive way than the PS4. I'm not convinced I need that but I know it's more robust there. It's not about the speed of app switching but more things like snapping skype while playing, or switching to TV while a game is looking for matches.
Not enough for me to buy a XB1, but it's an actual feature unlike the nebulous cloud promises.
BigSpleenRupture
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Again whats this got to do with thread topic?
BigSpleenRupture
Banned
You can support a product without sounding like an obnoxious fanboy. Something which you have failed to do in this thread and others.
cripterion
Member
You tell me, you're the one who's taking a big crap on the Xbox One not me.
Crackdown 3 could make good usage of cloud.
Compute all the random pedestrians' AI on the cloud etc.
I will eat a hat (made of beef jerky, that no one has worn) if that is the case. If there is some amazing cloud based computation which free's up the system to have PS4 level graphics.
I may also eat said hat anyways because a beef jerky hat sounds delicious.
For the "high-end PC" part he just stood there, watching the building collapse which absolutely killed the framerate. Nothing else. This seems incredibly suspicious considering the various examples I've given.
It seems more like a "here's the general idea" demo than actually something real, because I don't see a recent high-end PC struggling like that with a couple of tens of thousands objects flying around, in such an otherwise barren and low-detail environment. They focus on the differences, drawing your attention from the fact that the "non-cloud" demo seems rather weird.
How the hell would you be able to measure the effectiveness of Cloud on an Exclusive game?
If you want to be very pedantic then no it can't, it can only display one app at a time therefore it cannot multitask.
how about 1080p, 30fps+ with highish fidelity graphics and good draw distance. That's make it par with most PS4 games. But I don't think it will happen.
You can do things like run a party chat while in game, swap over to other apps quickly and so one. It's still multi-tasking on the PS4 but just nowhere near as robust as on the XB1. They could change that with the ram reservation they have and maybe upclock the CPU and allocate those extra cycles but I don't think it's worth the effort.
I didn't say the PS4 can't do multitasking. I said that I don't consider much of what it does do to be multitasking though. Something like playing music from Music Unlimited whilst also playing a game I would count as multitasking. Suspending software completely in order to open up another I don't really consider to be multitasking.
The Xbox One is different, as many off the apps can be opened alongside another, or a game, at the same time. It is actually doing multiple tasks in these cases.. and the PS4 is not comparable in this area.
If MS wants us to buy this then its quite simple really...get on stage at E3 and show me the latest build of Halo 5 or Forza 6 running on a stand alone Xbone...and them show me that build running with "The Cloud."
Give me the details...the framerate numbers..the native resolutions...show me.how the lighting was improved, or anything and I'll buy in 100%...
If they can't do that...then its simply all a lie
Give me the details...the framerate numbers..the native resolutions...show me.how the lighting was improved, or anything and I'll buy in 100%...
If they can't do that...then its simply all a lie
Easy - a game that clearly delivers an experience only the power of 3 XB1s vs XB1 could produce. Until I see something that requires more power than the console itself, and by a reasonable margin, I'm going to be of the mind that they're failing to actualize the theoretical power they claim is available.
I'd probably settle for a multi-platform game that's clear a fair bit superior on XB1 to PS4 due to cloud - thinking about it this would allow clearer identification of the Cloud use than an exclusive.
Well I guess we'll have to wait and see what the final product looks like. The work that went into that demo wasn't for nothing, they'll be doing something with it. Crackdown 3 would be my guess.
cripterion
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It's just poor marketing on their part that should have been dropped a while ago.
Even if some of what they say turns out to be accurate, the end user doesn't care about it if it doesn't translate into improvements during his gaming experience.
Beerman462
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That won't happen, because the "cloud" isn't exclusive to MS. If a game truly needed cloud computing, both consoles would have it.
Tidus_Great
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So when are they going to prove this bullcrap with games that run at 1080p and look as good as ps4 games. or why are ps4 versions superior pretty much 100% of the time now. Talk is cheap. I don't even mind the lack of power in Xbone i just mind that it costs 100 dollars more than a ps4 and is weaker than the ps4.
Trojan
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Should have been first post
Isn't the company founded by the old crackdown devs (and rumored to be making crackdown 3) all about cloud computing. I think they were the ones who made that building demo, which has already been confirmed as being part of something else MS is working on.
GoofsterStud
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Microsoft's math intrigues me.
1 Xbox One = 8 Xbox 360
Cloud computing can compute
3 Xbox One or 32 Xbox 360
Conclusion:
8 x 3 = 32
They should make a book.
1 Xbox One = 8 Xbox 360
Cloud computing can compute
3 Xbox One or 32 Xbox 360
Conclusion:
8 x 3 = 32
They should make a book.
If every xbox one comes with an instance in Azure to be used by developers this will open up interesting new type of games. Simulators that run even if your console is switched of, friends could visit your city. Procedural generated levels, buildings etc could be much fancier that it would be with out the cloud. There are many ways to use it and since it is free to use this could be very cool for Xbox one exclusives. But I don't see any multi platforms using it.
You count online pixels and compare them to offline pixels.
psn
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Really? So playing music on youtube through the browser while playing a game is no multitasking?
What computing power? Overall? CPU only? CPU only and for few, specific tasks? Because they make absolutely sure to never give any details and just make a broad "your console will become X times more powerful" statement.
If McDonald's announced the "UltiMac", saying "it's basically like 4 BigMacs!!11!!!", with the same sort of cartoon showing that, but at the end of the day it's just a BigMac with 4 times more lettuce, I'm pretty sure everyone would think it's an awful lie.
They insisted multiple times that it could improve physics, graphics etc. There were topics upon topics on GAF where people bought into it and starting imagining scenarios where the cloud would calculate insane physics stuff and send it back to your console, all in real time.
At the end of the day, there's stuff like TF. It's nothing new, nor impressive. There's no difference between that and say, Blizzard's WoW servers which take care of NPC AI. So, Azure is not a game changer technically, nor some kind of secret weapon MS has to compensate for the XB1's inferior specs. It's just a readily available bunch of dedicated servers which potentially provides extra computation capacity in very restricted scenarios for online games. But that's really not how they present it at all.
This is exactly the sort of implementation that I wouldn't be viable in terms of required resources. The second the required resources scale linearly with the sales, it all falls apart.
Hell if I know... all I know is it's not the graphics. So there's no reason to post in this thread asking about 1080p PS4 beating graphics, when the OP invalidates the idea right off the bat.
RumblePuff
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Are MS going to scale the number of servers in their data centres so that there always a 3 to 1 ratio? Even after 25 million xbone sales?
psn
Member
So easy, because a Server just for this purpose just around the corner could be used. RL example with an Azure Server (which is obviously not build for processing graphics) should do the trick.
Impossible, because there are already 4-5 million Xb1's. Imagine 20 million consoles. Guess how many REAL servers you would need. They dont even tell how many of them are virtual servers. And what kind of hardware they should have. Impossibruuuuuu imo.
And dont forget the latency... and servers are not free for MS.
Principate
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Who cares what crap MS is spilling as per the majority of this thread most aren't buying it, and it's not as if the average consumer will know or care about the power of the cloud. I'm talking about people being no better than the crap they're complaining out.
It's not irony it's freaking sad.
Azure is built for stuff like this, for scalability and flexibility they have put billions of dollars in infrastructure. Azure doesn't sell well so it would take a while before they run out of computing power if that ever would happen since they are able to easily add servers. Azure is not just a bunch of servers for Xbox.
Am
That wasn't the case a few months ago. So you're saying the situation has changed?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=94264594
eddfromtheriver
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Oh noes!!! its... The almighty power of... *cue thunder, lightning, clapping, hollering and farting* CLOUD!!! *cue even louder thunder, lightning, clapping, hollering and farting*
But seriously... MS just stop with that nonsense.
But seriously... MS just stop with that nonsense.
The problem is MS is obviously not planning to have Azure remain where it is in the market today. They're want it to be the top cloud solution available, and if they were to ever start approaching this goal, what do you then do with the potential 60+ million virtual Xbox instances you happily gave away earlier. It's not the sort of thing you can suddenly take back because now you need it. Do keep adding servers and paying to run them for free use?
Anyone still believes MS demos at this point is a fool and a tool. They couldn't even disclose the specs of the *high end* PC and which Azure location they were connecting to.
When they accidentally moved the mouse to a empty space, the framerate dropped to sub-20 on the *high end* PC. lol
When they accidentally moved the mouse to a empty space, the framerate dropped to sub-20 on the *high end* PC. lol
Ya, hasn't the PS4 beaten out the Xbone CPU in all the benchmarks that have been done?