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[DaGwaphics]

Sony exclusives = Yay Sony. For the gamers.

XBox Exclusive = Bad for gamers. Dissects cost/revenue streams to 'prove' bad move.

People on here thinking 10M copies not on pS gonna make Starfield a failure. That's PS thinking.

Meanwhile forgetting MS just paid about $80 BILLION for Bethesda and ABK. They paid that much to put games on different consoles? (COD being an anamoly). MS is worth almost $3 trillion. I think they can manage thru few less sales on Starfield. Hahaha

The funniest thing is the bolded part would apply to all exclusives regardless of how successful the console platform is. Sony could release their exclusives on Xbox and get another 2 or 3 million in sales easily, if not more. Nintendo could probably really hit the jackpot on PS/Xbox. It is what it is.

Then these same posters will go on to point out how important the exclusives are to the ecosystem in a different thread.

 

[DrFigs]

I bought an XsX just for Flight Simulator 2020 so there will definitely be people aching for Starfield. First thing people need to stop assuming is that everyone has a PC already or that it can run games at highest settings. If not, a $500 console will get the job done. If you are on PC but playing 1080p, low shadows, medium details and AA turned off, you have no right to voice your opinion lol.

Idk. i did consider getting a series x for starfield. but 30fps?

 

[SlimySnake]

Rarely has such a collection of misunderstandings about the game industry ever been gathered in one post.

Starfield will require a high a fairly high specced PC to run it comfortably. There nothing indicating that enough people are going to run out and buy a PC or Xbox just to play Starfield to even come close to the lost sales of PS5.

high spec'd?

• OS: Windows 10 version 22H2 (10.0.19045)
• Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X, Intel Core i7 6800K.
• Memory: 16GB RAM.
• Graphics: AMD Radeon RX 5700, Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 Ti.
• DirectX: Version 12.
• Network: Broadband internet connection.
• Storage: 125 GB available space.
• Additional notes: SSD required.

high spec? The 1070 Ti is a 6 year old GPU.

The game can run on a $299 4 tflops series s. it will run on a potato PC.

And if you dont think exclusives sell consoles then you are ignoring decades of Sony and Nintendo success. Sony wouldnt be spending $200 million on first party exclusives if they didnt believe they would get enough people to run out and buy playstations for them. i said only half of those lost 10 million sales can be recouped. i never said that they would come close.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

I bought an XsX just for Flight Simulator 2020 so there will definitely be people aching for Starfield. First thing people need to stop assuming is that everyone has a PC already or that it can run games at highest settings. If not, a $500 console will get the job done. If you are on PC but playing 1080p, low shadows, medium details and AA turned off, you have no right to voice your opinion lol.

Gotcha, anything else?

 

[GHG]

This is simply a matter of Sony accepting XCloud on their consoles

Now this is an interesting change of tact.

So it's Sony's fault (always is isn't it?) now instead of Microsoft's for removing a game that was already set to release natively on other hardware?

And tell me, how does XCloud stack up against a native gaming experience? Especially for those residing in regions/countries where xCloud is yet to launch?

 

[Punished Miku]

I bought an XsX just for Flight Simulator 2020 so there will definitely be people aching for Starfield.

This whole thread is people aching for Starfield and trying to convince themselves they don't understand what an exclusive is. It will reach an unbearable peak in the coming weeks.

 

[Ozriel]

Birds of the same feather indeed

 

[cireza]

So it's Sony's fault

Of course. MS buying Bethesda and ABK is Sony's fault if you think about it.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Dumb analogy. Last-gen Xbox fans were complaining about games that never come to Xbox in the first place.

This is a game genre that not only is frequent on PlayStation, it was going to be released. Not even close to the same.


Sony exclusives are in house or timed. They don't buy big multiplatform publishers and refuse to release big franchises already being worked on for other platforms.

Not the same SONY that bought Guerrilla Games and bang when their multi-platform work.

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[drganon]

Birds of the same feather indeed

You're welcome.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Its been almost thirty years, its time to get over the butthurt.

And its time for SONY fans to buy a Xbox *rollseyes*

 

[Helghan]

Do you even own a next gen console!?
Imagine defending 30 fps in 2023.

I'm not defending 30fps. That's just not what people will influence on buying Starfield or not.

 

[drganon]

And its time for SONY fans to buy a Xbox *rollseyes*

I did. I also have a gut feeling I won't be whining about it 30 years later either.

 

[adamsapple]

Welp

Mostly dormant account who started lol emojis shortly after ezekiel got permanently banned.

 

[FrankWza]

This whole thread is people aching for Starfield and trying to convince themselves they don't understand what an exclusive is. It will reach an unbearable peak in the coming weeks.

It has now become when you buy a publisher and make every IP that was planned to release on other consoles exclusive to yours. Like Call of Duty will be?

 

[Team Andromeda]

Its funny reading stuff like this. Karma you say.

I'll enjoy Starfield mate. SONY like Microsoft had to buy in most of their talent, so don't come the 'gaming company' with me.

 

[HTK]

This game won't reach the sales it probably deserves without PlayStation. They will get a boat load of folks on Game Pass to play it and Microsoft will flash those millions of numbers in your face. Starfield could be a game to start putting Microsoft in a good light if it delivers.

 

[cireza]

How scandalous of Nintendo to block Monolith Soft games on PS after they bought the studio.

Exclusives. How do they work ?

 

[Team Andromeda]

I did. I also have a gut feeling I won't be whining about it 30 years later either.

We'll see, when MS buys Take Two in 20 years time *rollseyes*

 

[Punished Miku]

Exclusives. How do they work ?

We honestly may never know. Extremely confusing stuff.

 

[drganon]

We'll see, when MS buys Take Two in 20 years time *rollseyes*

I'm sure you're jerking off into your Saturn just thinking about it.

 

[Helghan]

This game won't reach the sales it probably deserves without PlayStation. They will get a boat load of folks on Game Pass to play it and Microsoft will flash those millions of numbers in your face. Starfield could be a game to start putting Microsoft in a good light if it delivers.

I can see them releasing a remastered version on the PS6

 

[HTK]

I can see them releasing a remastered version on the PS6

That wouldn't be a bad move to be honest for Xbox or PlayStation fans.

 

[GHG]

How scandalous of Nintendo to block Monolith Soft games on PS after they bought the studio.

Exclusives. How do they work ?

Listen, if Xbox want to remove games from other platforms after purchasing studios/publishers and do timed exclusives where it's possible, then cut the kumbaya PR crap. Be proud.

 

[Gorgon]

But why would I have to buy a PS5 to play Spider-Man ? Answer : because the game is exclusive. Same situation then.

Truth be told, if you have a PC, why would you play Spidey on PS when you can get mods like these:




Ahhh, mods. It's the only thing that is going to make me go back to PC next gen. I was so happy just with consoles but mods, man, mods.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

How scandalous of Nintendo to block Monolith Soft games on PS after they bought the studio.

Exclusives. How do they work ?

 

[Team Andromeda]

I'm sure you're jerking off into your Saturn just thinking about it.

I rather shag my wife mate and play the Saturn afterwards

 

[Roxkis_ii]

I'm not defending 30fps. That's just not what people will influence on buying Starfield or not.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

 

[cireza]

I'm sure you're jerking off into your Saturn just thinking about it.

 

[PropellerEar]

You were wrong before, you're still wrong...
even though you have vast experience of having own alts at GAF.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Of course. MS buying Bethesda and ABK is Sony's fault if you think about it.

Are you asking us to think about it because nobody else did? No thanks .

 

[Panajev2001a]

Listen, if Xbox want to remove games from other platforms after purchasing studios/publishers and do timed exclusives where it's possible, then cut the kumbaya PR crap. Be proud.

Do not worry, they will, as soon as they do not think FTC and CMA and other regulators are still listening they will. Then they will be quiet when they try to buy another big publisher… until regulators scram off if they play the world smallest violin card right again .

 

[adamsapple]

Listen, if Xbox want to remove games from other platforms after purchasing studios/publishers and do timed exclusives where it's possible, then cut the kumbaya PR crap. Be proud.

We'll get back to you after August 29th

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Welp

You mean, the same thing you, CatLady and 2-3 others constantly do ?

The lack of self awareness is really something else.

Now, go astroturf somewhere else, I seriously can't understand how you haven't been banned yet, always the same tired song and dance , seriously man, how.much are they paying you ?

Again, you're being Senjutsu Sage 2.0 in here.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Listen, if Xbox want to remove games from other platforms after purchasing studios/publishers and do timed exclusives where it's possible, then cut the kumbaya PR crap. Be proud.

This is not about PlayStation. It's about getting casuals hooked on gamepass, getting them out of their comfort zone of Fifa and GTA Online.

Of course if they release it on PS systems, it will undermine this effort. Them being casuals will simply get it on PS cause it's more popular console.

PlayStation can negate this issue by allowing Gamepass on their system. But they won't agree to this, hence exclusivity is a must.

In a way, it's Sony thats blocking PS players access to Starfield via Gamepass.

 

[Rykan]

high spec'd?

• OS: Windows 10 version 22H2 (10.0.19045)
• Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X, Intel Core i7 6800K.
• Memory: 16GB RAM.
• Graphics: AMD Radeon RX 5700, Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 Ti.
• DirectX: Version 12.
• Network: Broadband internet connection.
• Storage: 125 GB available space.
• Additional notes: SSD required.

high spec? The 1070 Ti is a 6 year old GPU.

The game can run on a $299 4 tflops series s. it will run on a potato PC.

Those are the minimum system requirements. It will barely run with those specs. Here is what is actually recommended:

• Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X, Intel i5-10600K
• Memory: 16 GB RAM
• Graphics: AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
  
  Besides, even a GTX 1070 TI is way ahead of many of the most common GPU people use, according to Steams hardware survey. The game will be developed and optimized specifically for Series S. PC won't have that luxury.

And if you dont think exclusives sell consoles then you are ignoring decades of Sony and Nintendo success. Sony wouldnt be spending $200 million on first party exclusives if they didnt believe they would get enough people to run out and buy playstations for them. i said only half of those lost 10 million sales can be recouped. i never said that they would come close.

Why don't you take it from the man himself? Even Spencer knows that Starfield being an 11/10 game isn't going to get people to go out and buy an Xbox if they already have a PS5, and they won't do the same for a PC either. Even saying half of those sales are going to be recouped is wrong. The idea that half of the people who would have purchased SF on PS5 have access to a good, capable gaming PC OR are gonna go out and get one just to play Starfield is absurd. It just is.

 

[FrankWza]

Except zenimax was Sony’s fault for being to aggressive on the moneyhats. Microsoft had to stop the zenimax games being playstation exclusives. If they were not trying to get every zenimax gane as an exclusive Microsoft wouldn't of bought zenimax.

This is not about PlayStation

 

[ArtHands]

I am not surprise. Sony did want to make this game an exclusive

 

[KingXtreme81]

Take the game away from that many people = what Phil says, right? About reaching more players?

What a joke he is. I’m glad he’s been exposed as the fraud he always was.

 

[jumpship]

I'll enjoy Starfield mate. SONY like Microsoft had to buy in most of their talent, so don't come the 'gaming company' with me.

Lol that's all you took from my post smh. I dont expect you to see the difference between a company buying small and nurturing talent over decades to get where they are today and a company simply buying their way to a similar position making massive unprecedented purchases to remove established IP they both used to share.

One literally creating great games while the other is simply removing great games to 'compete'.

Thats not Karma which was my original point.

 

[lastmessiah]

Lol that's all you took from my post smh. I dont expect you to see the difference between a company buying small and nurturing talent over decades to get where they are today and a company simply buying their way to a similar position making massive unprecedented purchases to remove established IP they both used to share.

One literally creating great games while the other is simply removing great games to 'compete'.

Thats not Karma which was my original point.

You can keep trying to make this “point” you think is so profound for some reason, but no one gives a shit. No one with a brain believes that Sony wouldn’t employ the same tactics as MS if they were even half as successful as a company.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

So many soldiers

Idk. i did consider getting a series x for starfield. but 30fps?

Just spend the amount that you wee going to spend on a series x on a graphics card then? And buy all the other pieces of a PC too?

 

[Dick Jones]

I am not surprise. Sony did want to make this game an exclusive

Bethesda were the ones shopping Deathloop and Ghostwire as an exclusive, and were shipping Starfield too. Sony didn't start that conversation in all cases. It was confirmed in a US court.

 

[FrankWza]

Bethesda were the ones shopping Deathloop and Ghostwire as an exclusive, and were shipping Starfield too. Sony didn't start that conversation in all cases. It was confirmed in a US court.

"first party"

 

[MScarpa]

Starfield is on the back burner. Not (only) because of Xbox exclusivity but rather because of a) unproven IP, b) lackluster reception last 10 years and c) competition from certain other AAA western rpgs.

Said nobody ever

 

[Melchiah]

For fewer players.

A truthful marketing slogan.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Lol that's all you took from my post smh. I dont expect you to see the difference between a company buying small and nurturing talent over decades to get where they are today and a company simply buying their way to a similar position making massive unprecedented purchases to remove established IP they both used to share.

Yeah, Like Naughty Dog, Psygnosis, and Guerrilla Games were small studios

I don't expect you to see the difference mind...

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[NonPhixion]

Whoa an Xbox exclusive selling 10 million copies!? That’d be a first.

 

[jumpship]

You can keep trying to make this “point” you think is so profound for some reason, but no one gives a shit. No one with a brain believes that Sony wouldn’t employ the same tactics as MS if they were even half as successful as a company.

No one gives a shit but replies anyway, and with a lazy SonyToo argument on top lol.

There's nothing profound about creating great games in the gaming market. That should be the expectation. See Sony and Nintendo and their market positions for further proof.

 

[twilo99]

I'll enjoy Starfield mate. SONY like Microsoft had to buy in most of their talent, so don't come the 'gaming company' with me.

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