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Xbox One adds Xbox 360 backwards compatibility
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Zeyphersan
Banned
I'll have to imagine that by actual launch there will be a section of the Xbox One store that offers Xbox 360 BC games. Telling people to go to the website isn't a real solution
That's the plan I believe.
Fox Mulder
Member
I'm sure it'll be there, they offered original Xbox games digitally on the 360.
trickyaudio
Neo Member
#FableOrIRiot
Doug Heffernan
Member
This will be a huge boon for Microsoft's digital game sales. Publishers are gonna love this! I don't think they'll have any problem approving games for BC.
MrGreencastle
Member
Without a doubt in my mind that's what they are planning on doing. Makes perfect sense.
Also, Games with Gold and EA Access adding 360 titles, too.
My fingers are crossed for a stealth Xbox Originals section, too.
They said all their first party titles will be there - excluding Kinect stuff since that won't work. Multi-Disc titles are iffy right now, Phil said they would take extra tweaks to get working.
That being said, their page on the Xbox.com site has this image:
Gears is in there, so expect it.
So is Halo Wars, Halo Reach, ODST (which is already in MCC @ 1080p60 sans Firefight) Alan Wake, Fable 2, Halo 3, Borderlands (which they demoed in the vid) and more. I'm thinking the library will be quite vast.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Microsoft already said yes to all first-party stuff. They're even offering the Rare games even though they'll also be included in the Rare Replay later this year
In my mind, there isn't a reason for publishers NOT to do it. If their games are being sold on Xbox Live that means the licenses are all good and it's legal to sell. It also means that the publishers have a desire to see their games continue to sell digitally otherwise they'd pull them. So really just giving the thumbs-up to MS and say "Yeah, put it on the BC store" makes a lot of sense and zero effort on their part
I was just reading the "eat crow" thread that was bumped from last year about how we'll never get BC and the mods locked it due to "console wars"??? Whaaaa? There was no mention of any console superiority in there, only serving crow. Why did it get locked???
Any good Xbox news on GAF is shot down so quick!
Any good Xbox news on GAF is shot down so quick!
Yes. Those could run all PS2 games.
Im talking about the PSN PS2 games.
You can play those on any PS3. And they are not remasters. They are basically ISO dumps + gamefixes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_Classics
Example:
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en...saga/cid=EP4015-NPED00140_00-GSHINMEGAM000001
Sony are dumb and hides the complete list...
Zeyphersan
Banned
There are exactly 100 PS2 Classics on the PSN Store. Basically no big titles, though, I assume for emulation-related reasons. The PS2 emulator in the PS3 is actually really shit, and a lot of publishers had trouble getting their games to work properly
BluePigGanon
Member
The only reason a pub might say no is they are planning to release a HD Xbox One version and they don't want to undermine that.
Or if there's some weird backend cost to them. Like, MS charges the pubs some small fee if/when the BC version is downloaded.
Yeah this is a really good sign that hopefully this support is carried on into future generations of systems. There are a bunch of retail and Live Arcade games that I can see myself coming back to over and over again for the next ten+ years.
Black Republican
Member
percy, salty motherfucker right there
rokkerkory
Member
For those that missed the Spencer interview on BC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjh...st=PLfFwi0VxVnVLFxiEgcwWD5PbVcacKCk_t&t=11257
starts around 3:07 hour mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjh...st=PLfFwi0VxVnVLFxiEgcwWD5PbVcacKCk_t&t=11257
starts around 3:07 hour mark.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Microsoft would still take their storefront fee, but not an extra BC fee.
When you buy a BC compatible game, you're not buying a BC version of that game, you're buying THE GAME. You could then go sign in to a real 360 and download it like normal
ResidentDante
Member
Would be cool indeed, but you know licences from some games are just not going to be able to be made. I love the tech they have done though, running a 360 virtual machine and the One just recognising it as an ordinary game. It really keeps me hopeful for them carrying it on into a next generation in the future.
Never said it was a great implementation, just that it has sort of been done on the PS3. And correcting the person I quoted.
MS seems to be throwing much more weight behind it though and have made a way better implementation.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I wasn't trying to correct you, just providing further info ^^
OnionPowder
Member
Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey are 1st party correct?
They have to show up. I need them back in my life
They have to show up. I need them back in my life
MrGreencastle
Member
Yeah that's not really the same thing. For sure it's emulated and what not and they may run fine, but Sony makes you re-buy these to own on PS3. This feature is full backwards compatibility as in you can stick the 360 disc into the drive and are able to play at no extra cost. The games don't run off the disc, but the disc is required for authentication. Digital games will work straight up. If you buy the game from the store, you'll be buying the 360 game, and it will work on a 360 and an Xbox One - they aren't repackaged emulated/ports of old games that Microsoft are re-selling. As far as the game is concerned you are running the game on a 360, with all the 360 features like multiplayer, parties, etc. intact as long as the servers are still running. As far as the Xbox One is concerned you're running an app, so all the Xbox One features like DVR, etc. work over top.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Phil already said they're on the way
Theonik
Member
The big problem with PS2 software BC on the PS3 was that the PS3 was actually weaker than the PS2 is some aspects making it difficult to implement. Specifically the GPU memory bandwidth was much lower. This is why Sony was able to offer near perfect BC with software emulation of the PS2 CPU and hardware acceleration for the GPU on the G2 PS3s.
A limited number of games were compatible with a software emulator Sony built but Sony scrapped it until they released the feature for some PSN games.
I should hope they are already on this list and MS are just waiting to roll them out!
OnionPowder
Member
Perfect then.
Beer Monkey
Member
Grabbed by the Ghoulies on the Rare 30 disc is almost certainly running on an OG Xbox emulator inside the Xbox 360 emulator.
Think about it. Rare is not going to port GbtG to Xbox One when there's already a 360 emulator, and when the 360 was already capable of running GbtG via emulation.
Not only am I virtually certain it is possible, I fully expect to see it made available at some point, at least for some of the Xbox Originals series.
You can't really compare this announcement to previous gens. People didn't have a library of DIGITAL PS2 games when PS3 came out. People didn't have a library of digital OG Xbox games when the 360 came out.
Now people have shit on their live account. I always said during the XBO reveal that it was a huge mistake to disregard BC in the first era where gamers have a digital library of games on console. It totally negated any hook to keep people in their ecosystem. If XBO had offered BC when PS4 wasn't, you better believe that much fewer gamers would have jumped ship from 360 to PS4. It may really help their sales to people still on the fence.
Now people have shit on their live account. I always said during the XBO reveal that it was a huge mistake to disregard BC in the first era where gamers have a digital library of games on console. It totally negated any hook to keep people in their ecosystem. If XBO had offered BC when PS4 wasn't, you better believe that much fewer gamers would have jumped ship from 360 to PS4. It may really help their sales to people still on the fence.
Alright, sorry :3
But yea the PS2 Classics PSN thing is really bad, there isnt even a way to list them all. Plus all the region restrictions.
I really wanted this but uuh.....
Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction
Not available Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Netherlands, New Zealands, Norway,Poland, Portugal, Russia, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine
Hope MS opens this up between regions too. And also that almost every 360 game will work, seems like they made most of their third party stuff available, demanding games like Halo and Gears too.
shanafan
Member
Why all the hostility towards COD fans? We are just as excited for BC as anyone else and should have an equal say in what titles we wish to have on the list.
COD is one of my all-time favorite franchises, but I also am a big fan of RDR and ME. The more titles with BC, the better. This is a great service, and am very excited to see how much support Microsoft and third party publishers give to it.
MrGreencastle
Member
They weren't joking when they said Xbox One had layers of OSes. I expect the digital Xbox Originals will work at some point, as like you said they're just the game running in the Xbox Original OS emulator and "repackaged" as 360 digital titles.
What would be SO COOL, is if they could get the Xbox Original discs working. If I could pop in Fable Lost Chapters (which worked on 360) and it downloads that game from their servers and it works... Not only would my mind be blown, but I would be so unbelievably happy. Fingers crossed HARD for that.
Quick Mustard
Member
Ok, everyone that added me a friend up until now has now been requested to be in the preview program.
I'm up to date with everyone.
If you messaged me but didnt add me, then add me as its teh easiest way to do this.
I'm up to date with everyone.
If you messaged me but didnt add me, then add me as its teh easiest way to do this.
TheAdmiester
Member
Do we have a list of confirmed but upcoming games like this?
Head.spawn
Junior Member
First I'm hearing of it.
Sorry for being a dirty casual. ;/
i'm trying to avoid ANY spoilers on the game, I've only seen the original trailer thus far.
Black Republican
Member
Ok, everyone that added me a friend up until now has now been requested to be in the preview program.
I'm up to date with everyone.
If you messaged me but didnt add me, then add me as its teh easiest way to do this.
wanted to say thanks, i got into the preview only a couple hours after you messaged me, the registration is just in pending now. big big thanks!
infinityBCRT
Member
I have a hard time believing they could write a PPC emulator that would be fast enough on the XB1 to run a game like Mass Effect. It *has* to be taking advantage of APIs at some level.
Warning users that the preview builds are highly unstable on fast resume.
I can rarely shut down my Xbox properly unless the power setting is changed to energy-saving, which turns off fast resume and silent updates.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Without a doubt in my mind that's what they are planning on doing. Makes perfect sense.
Also, Games with Gold and EA Access adding 360 titles, too.
My fingers are crossed for a stealth Xbox Originals section, too.
They said all their first party titles will be there - excluding Kinect stuff since that won't work. Multi-Disc titles are iffy right now, Phil said they would take extra tweaks to get working.
That being said, their page on the Xbox.com site has this image:
Gears is in there, so expect it.
So is Halo Wars, Halo Reach, ODST (which is already in MCC @ 1080p60 sans Firefight) Alan Wake, Fable 2, Halo 3, Borderlands (which they demoed in the vid) and more. I'm thinking the library will be quite vast.
I'm seeing Shadow Complex and Shadowrun as well. Good news!
Journey
Banned
Wow at the Spencer bashing, the usual "he's say anything to keep fans happy but does nothing" rhetoric. The amount of crow to be fed from that thread is enough to make them go extinct!
Head.spawn
Junior Member
holy shit, someone bumped that thread. LOL
"it was a good push"
"it was a good push"
MrGreencastle
Member
The crazy thing is from my testing last night Mass Effect actually runs better than on my Xbox 360. That could just be due to it running off the HDD though since the main improvement I noticed was virtually no texture pop-in and load times reduced quite a bit - at least 50% to the Presidium.
Multi-disc issue is what's holding them up according to Phil during Bombcast.
Yeah I imagine that makes things a bit more complex.
BabyFaceKillah
Member
And in typical Percy fashion
He shit post
gets defensive when he gets called out
Then goes right back to shitposting in the next Xbox thread.