SwiftDeath
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They are not making people do anything. You don't have to take the deal.
Wow just wow this post wins the thread. Nothing I could possibly read could be more ridiculous.
They are not making people do anything. You don't have to take the deal.
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
AngryJoe got sent the same documents and said they were real.
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
Ughh where is CBOAT when you need him. I want some unadulterated truthfacts dropped about whether or not Microsoft knew about the nondisclosure clause or not. Damnit Cboat we know youre watching...
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
Hello there!imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
damn right i posted it again
can't be cboat. too many properly-spelled words.imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
The government regulations already exist that apply to individuals, including YouTubers. The FTC regulations that have been repeatedly cited in this thread were crafted for exactly this situation. And to answer your previous question, how are we supposed to know who is trustworthy and who is scummy if these people can accept unlimited secret payments from corporations?
cboat's response isn't really a surprise. No business would hire a PR agency to promote their product without knowing how the promotion would work.
Sorry, I have no doubts that the NDA is real, I meant to verify that it actually says that they can't mention that they are sponsored. To verify that reddit post I linked.
But I just saw the image that talks about non disclosing the contents of the agreement.
Joe Vargas ‏@AngryJoeShow 14h
Guys its not fake. I've been sent proof. This was a promo from Machinima to its partners to NOT talk bad about this console for $$$
Yeah but that's goes with anyone really. Even big sites have been caught doing shady deals.
Also I guess a better way to put it is.. Should we burden everyone with heavy regulations because of a few sleazy bloggers?
He specifically mentions that clause.
crap
Yeah but that's goes with anyone really. Even big sites have been caught doing shady deals.
Also I guess a better way to put it is.. Should we burden everyone with heavy regulations because of a few sleazy bloggers?
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
I can take this two ways:
1. MS knew exactly what they were doing
2. This is all on Machinima
Yeah but that's goes with anyone really. Even big sites have been caught doing shady deals.
Also I guess a better way to put it is.. Should we burden everyone with heavy regulations because of a few sleazy bloggers?
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
3. Microsoft didn't ASK for this, but hinted that it might be a good idea to put in. Considering the wording of the PR statements, I have a feeling Microsoft have a level of plausible denial here.
I can take this two ways:
1. MS knew exactly what they were doing
2. This is all on Machinima
Edit:
Actually three:
3. This was just a royal fuck up by all parties involved
How do people seriously think MS did not / does not know exactly what they are doing? lol.
They are far too big of a corporation to not look at every single action from nearly every angle. They probably did a forecast of projected sales via the promotion program vs. the projected fine if this was ever brought to light.
If sum total of fine was acceptable, they go forward. When you are MS with 21 BILLION in income each year, a pultry 1,000,000$ fine makes you laugh.
You're trying too hard man.
Saying you're promoting something is hardly heavy regulation.
Right, what I'm saying is, those other three are pre-XBone-launch. We need to see a non-MS agreement between Nov. 20 and Jan 14. If it has the "be sure to disclose" bit, it would seem this is MS-specific.It was only 1 page ago in the thread
The "As a perk..." text, seen above from the E3 and Comic-Con promotions was removed from the Xbox promotions guidelines, but you are right, it could have been a blanket change, in which case there will be more fireworks to come
Though if it's fraud, isn't there the scary possibility of an FTC investigation?
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
Right, what I'm saying is, those other three are pre-XBone-launch. We need to see a non-MS agreement between Nov. 20 and Jan 14. If it has the "be sure to disclose" bit, it would seem this is MS-specific.
Not much of an investigation though. You have the other parties already taking the fall for you. The worst they can get is a fine, and from what I am reading it would be at worst something like $5,000,000. Which to MS is made in a single day ( MS actually makes far more then that per day, but in pure profit, yeah about 5,000,000 per day )
Not much of an investigation though. You have the other parties already taking the fall for you. The worst they can get is a fine, and from what I am reading it would be at worst something like $5,000,000. Which to MS is made in a single day.
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
Ehh maybe I am thinking too far. .. Too conspiracyish ... Like not about this particular problem but what could happen with heavy government regulation going forward.
I will concede
Ehh maybe I am thinking too far. .. Too conspiracyish ... Like not about this particular problem but what could happen with heavy government regulation going forward.
I will concede
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
Would certainly be good to see one pop up to shed a little more light on the subject either way.
The PR would be worse than the fine for Microsoft. If it makes the national news, which an FTC fine certainly would, then it would be far more damaging than the fine.
And with that, I've figured out who he is. I've got you now, CBOAT!I'm shocked.............................. That you actually spelt a word correctly.
Edit: As in a word other than the, on, to, by etc.
imbusy
al contaracts are veted by legal tho. Usualy multipel timse.
True, but it looks like MS already has their martyrs all lined up. So while they would get the PR, they could just keep coming out and saying, " nope, it was all on them .. they were supposed to inform you they were being paid to stay positive! Seriously! " lol. You know how it will go I'm sure.
All depends on if the regular joe cares enough to actually say, " nah I'll go purchase a PS4 instead of a X1 because of this ". Most likely not ...
Look how many people even on here are already saying, " well shit this happens everywhere, all the time, exactly like this! Sony does the same thing! Nintendo does the same thing! Just accept it and move on "
I think someone quoted the FTC rules in one of these threads, I don't remember which and essentially, it doesn't matter who added it, both MS and Machinima are both responsible from a legal perspective, MS can be held responsible for anything machinima does as long as machinima are acting as a third party for MS. Ignorance is not an excuse.
The only way the blame game is important is for PR and to try and save the image of the companies.
"FTC fines Microsoft for bribing youtubers" is a more damning headline than "FTC fines Microsoft for improper supervision of a third party advertiser"