Yes, perhaps i went too far here but you know this is more the exception and not a rule in nowadays gaming.
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Xbox One Install Times are laughably horrible.
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Yes, perhaps i went too far here but you know this is more the exception and not a rule in nowadays gaming.
20-25 minutes is not that bad a wait, though they should fix that for sure, because in this gen terms it is a' long' time to wait, but if 20-25 minutes is going to make the difference between you staying up or going to sleep because you bought the game at night, then you should just go to sleep don't you think?
Usually I buy my games digitally, so I preload and I'm ready to go when I want to play. It is a non factor IMO, or at lest they should focus on bettering other stuff rather than this.
Usually I buy my games digitally, so I preload and I'm ready to go when I want to play. It is a non factor IMO, or at lest they should focus on bettering other stuff rather than this.
derExperte
Member
Well, UD got an update today.
Your tip sits right alongside "just sit further away" in the "defeats the purpose" category!
I have both PS4 and Xbone.
I always buy the disc versions of games and experience is the following:
PS4: Games Install Faster than Xbox One, But downloading the initial update and future updates takes longer than Xbox One
Xbox One: Games Install slower than PS4, but downloading the initial update and future updates is faster than PS4.
My connection is 250Mb down.
I always buy the disc versions of games and experience is the following:
PS4: Games Install Faster than Xbox One, But downloading the initial update and future updates takes longer than Xbox One
Xbox One: Games Install slower than PS4, but downloading the initial update and future updates is faster than PS4.
My connection is 250Mb down.
Thanks, that is interesting to hear! Is it because of download speed or is the actual install faster? Do you even have a possibility to determine? I mean, do both consoles show whether they are downloading or installing or do they just show updating, hiding both processes?
Ha! That's funny and at the same time sad.
Tripolygon
Banned
Don't see how its funny and sad. The game released with no major bug but the developers took it upon themselves to fix any bug they found even though the players have not encountered it yet.
3rdamention
Member
Why is it funny and sad that UD received an update 3 days after it released? You saying its funny and sad makes Zero sense...
It's funny because only a few minutes ago I was corrected that not every game this gen gets a patch, UD being an example and minutes after that someone posts the opposite.
Sad that there seems to be no game without a patch (well, close to no game, I'm sure there are some pearls in the mud).
unapersson
Member
Do you really sit watching updates though? Most of the time they occur in the background, either when you're playing a game or when the console is asleep. If you launch a game where the update hasn't happened you have a choice to play it while the update downloads in the background.
Often you'll be playing a game and see notifications of other games being patched in the background.
I really like how updates are handled, one of the best thought through implementations of such a system I've seen.
If you think your disc is faulty, delete the install and remove the disc. Then, click on the tile in the recently used area of the home screen. That will prompt an install from the server. Once it is finished, just pop the disc in to authenticate and run the game.
These are Internet issues, not disc install issues.
Disc doesn't need to be in the drive if you have instant on enabled. The XBO will download and install patches for all installed games and apps in the background. The little asterisk in the corner of a tile means it was recently updated.
This has been my experience as well. And that's at the top end. Digital downloads come down very quick if you have the connection for it.
It's not really goal post moving when people are conflating downloading and installing.
Sounds like either a damaged disc or horribly slow internet.
The way Microsoft integrated those two together is the problem. It's asinine and needs to change. This thread shows much evidence of it.
Tripolygon
Banned
Every game ever created has needed a patch, there were so many glitches back in the day but there was no means to patch them. Since last gen, developers can now patch and fix their games. I think it is wonderful that even bugs that might go unnoticed by players are still patched by some developers just because they want their games to work without any possible bugs.
I find it strange that you find it funny and sad that developers fix their games, or you just wanted to win an internet argument.
Well with PS4, the progress bar for installing a game and the update are two different ones. Where as on Xbox One, when you first install a game it will ask to update it too, and it combines both the physical install and the update download into one single progress bar, which I think makes it seem like it's slower.
But I always seems to have faster download speeds on Xbox Live than on PSN. But I still prefer my PS4.
That's not what I said. And no, not every game ever created needed a patch but that's not the topic of this thread.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Edit: Wrong post.
And while you did that, I had to do none of that and my speeds are good, but that doesn't stop another thread from popping up saying it's all terrible when it isn't. Just like this one. The installs are terrible but clearly this is not as bad as it seems or super hyperbolic the way some choose to phrase the situation.
Some people have issues, some people don't.
Well I have Far Cry 4, BF4 and a few other games on both systems. The same updates download a bit quicker on my Xbox One.
In addition my internet speed at my place is 250Mb down and oing the built-in network connection tests, my Xbox One will show 100+ Mb down, where as my PS4 always shows around 50-60 Mb down. Both systems are hard wired into my router.
Well with PS4, the progress bar for installing a game and the update are two different ones. Where as on Xbox One, when you first install a game it will ask to update it too, and it combines both the physical install and the update download into one single progress bar, which I think makes it seem like it's slower.
But I always seems to have faster download speeds on Xbox Live than on PSN. But I still prefer my PS4.
The question is if the game is already installed and the patch is downloaded, if it installs faster. But thanks again, at least someone providing actual and useful information.
thelastcrusader
Banned
TRUE THIS. The install takes FOREVER on my X1. Like unbearably bad. My ps4 atleast let's me playing without patches but not the X1.
Oh gotcha. Normally the time it takes to install a patch (not the downloading part), is so small on both systems that it's not something I even care about.
Oh gotcha. Normally the time it takes to install a patch (not the downloading part), is so small on both systems that it's not something I even care about.
And again, thanks. So only the initial install is bad, everything else is on par and/or depends on whether you are in luck of good download speed.
Hockeymac18
Member
Is this true for PS4 games that have patches? For instance, if you bought Witcher 3 today, and installed it, would you actually be playing it in 30 seconds?
Good question. When would the patch be applied?
I realized today how spoiled I am by having a 7200rpm external USB 3.0 2TB drive in my X1.
I went to my youngest brothers house and loaded up GTA V on his X1 (base system, 500gb internal drive).
Holy crap! It takes foooooooooooooorever to load.
The difference between it loading on his X1 and mine might be a solid 30 seconds apart...or more. It felt like an eternity at his house.
I wonder if installations would be much quicker too? Or is the blu-ray drive the bottleneck? Everything has seemed quicker since I bought my external drive way back.
I went to my youngest brothers house and loaded up GTA V on his X1 (base system, 500gb internal drive).
Holy crap! It takes foooooooooooooorever to load.
The difference between it loading on his X1 and mine might be a solid 30 seconds apart...or more. It felt like an eternity at his house.
I wonder if installations would be much quicker too? Or is the blu-ray drive the bottleneck? Everything has seemed quicker since I bought my external drive way back.
The advantage of having a second drive can't be emphasized enough. It's the same effect as having two drives on a computer, one for data and the other one for os which will always give you better performance on classical hdds.
Regarding your edit: a technical article should also consider external drives for sure.
inpHilltr8r
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Next time you launched the game.
unapersson
Member
Network / download speeds can easy vary dramatically based on all kinds of factors, and what's true one week can easily be different another.
My point really though was that because of the design of these systems the updates are lot less visible that they used to be. They've got the multitasking down now so that updates can happen as a background process with no intervention. So a game I haven't touched in a few weeks (Ultra Street Fighter IV) was updated while I was playing another game. If an update takes 4 hours to download rather than 8 it doesn't really matter all that much because it's just one background task amongst many others that can be kicked off at any time, and if we've got several video streams running at the time I don't necessary want my console saturating the bandwidth anyway. It's no longer a one game, one update, all or nothing situation.
That's why I see the pop the disk in and go element as more important, it gives us more of a console experience in line with the PS2 rather than the PS3. I swear I've played some PS2 games recently that took a longer to get going than PS4 games that are installing to the disk. That's definitely a step forward. So if MS can eventually replicate that then I see it as a good thing.
If downloaded or do they stop you from playing,prompting hey, there is an update. Do you want to download and apply??
Yes, if you buy the disc version you'll be playing the unpatched version within 30-60 seconds of putting in the disc, while the patch is being downloaded in the background.
ethomaz
Banned
I'm happy I never have to reinstall GT5 because I know the pain to download all the patches
I even thought to buy the XL version to have up to 2.0 patches in the disc.
At least GT5/GT6 plays without patches if you want.
I'm glad Sony leaned with it mistakes... MS well is in the opposite way.
ethomaz
Banned
Well you can play the game on PS4 while it is download the update... just saying... unless it is a online only game.
Yes... you won't have the updates fixes but you will play it in 30 seconds while PS4 download the updates/patches.
That is the biggest advantage here... PS4 let you play the offline game without the updates.
After the download... while that you can play the game just putting the disc on tray.
ethomaz
Banned
From what I read you need to wait the install of all patches to start to play it on Xbone.
You can't play the game if you have a patch in queued.
Dead Man Typing
Member
54% downloaded on Gears Ultimate with Single Player set to priority isn't enough to start the campaign
Download seems to go faster when the console is not running a game, but not when in standby mode.
Download seems to go faster when the console is not running a game, but not when in standby mode.
Gamezone
Gold Member
54% downloaded on Gears Ultimate with Single Player set to priority isn't enough to start the campaign
Download seems to go faster when the console is not running a game, but not when in standby mode.
Why not? Single player shouldn't require any online features to get started.
Well I know for sure that you can play any digital game while installing a disc, I remember playing FIFA while Batman was installing. I think you can also play games offline if you deny the patch and wait for it to download, but the game won't be patched in the background once the patch is downloaded and ready to be installed.
inpHilltr8r
Member
IIRC you get a notification that the patch has downloaded, but it's up to you to restart the game if you want to.
Wiitardation
Member
I recently purchased an X1 and i was surprised at how poorly the installation process is compared to PS4.
If i put a disc in a console, is it too much to expect to be able to play it straight away? I can on Wii U and I can on PS4.
I go offline before installing a new game on X1 so I'm not locked in to waiting for a patch to be downloaded. Even then, some games are just ridiculously slow to install offline.
The patch sizes are also a bit excessive. I finished Ryse without ever going online because it wanted a 9gb patch, Dead Rising 3 wanted 18gb so that was another offline playthrough, Killer Instinct 19gb (a fighting game, 19gb seriously?). Halo at 25gb for all the multiplayer maps is probably a bit too much tbh.
It's the one thing holding this system back.
If i put a disc in a console, is it too much to expect to be able to play it straight away? I can on Wii U and I can on PS4.
I go offline before installing a new game on X1 so I'm not locked in to waiting for a patch to be downloaded. Even then, some games are just ridiculously slow to install offline.
The patch sizes are also a bit excessive. I finished Ryse without ever going online because it wanted a 9gb patch, Dead Rising 3 wanted 18gb so that was another offline playthrough, Killer Instinct 19gb (a fighting game, 19gb seriously?). Halo at 25gb for all the multiplayer maps is probably a bit too much tbh.
It's the one thing holding this system back.
Uncle Obscure
Member
I played some Until Dawn when I came home for lunch today. After work, I fired up the PS4 to play some more and two updates, UD and Journey, immediately downloaded. Both updates completely installed in less than a minute from the time the download began. I clicked on the UD icon and I was instantly right back at the exact point I suspended the game at lunch. YMMV, but in my book, it's pretty hard to find fault with that level of performance.
LiquidGotti
Banned
You don't have to have the full update to play the game on ps4. it will play while the update downloads in the background.
After reading this thread I decided to reinstall Gears, just to see what's up.
Digital install, via the net, took about 2 hours and 32 minutes (give or take 5 minutes, I wasn't sitting there with a stopwatch) from zero to full install of all 44.5 GB of the game.
Given that I was doing some other things on the net at the time, that's not an ideal download time, but it's still not horribly bad.
Digital install, via the net, took about 2 hours and 32 minutes (give or take 5 minutes, I wasn't sitting there with a stopwatch) from zero to full install of all 44.5 GB of the game.
Given that I was doing some other things on the net at the time, that's not an ideal download time, but it's still not horribly bad.
Digital titles don't really need to "install", they do that as they download. So an installation of a digital game is bottlenecked by your internet speed. For someone who has Google Fibre, Gears of War digital will "install" in 7 minutes, because that's how long it takes to download, since it installs as it downloads, it won't require extra time at the end of the download.
The disc installations however have an issue, which is that Microsoft designed it to download the patch first, then install the disc.
We didn't say updates are generally bad and it seems both consoles download updates in background and apply them very fast.
Which was kind of the point. The download is the bottleneck.
A digital install is just copying the files from the server to the hard drive.
The disc install is just copying the files from the disc to the hard drive.
A patch just overwrites the old files on the hard drive with new ones.
The only real difference is that the digital install should already be pre-patched in most cases.
Yes any disc based game can be played immediately. The first boot up only takes some seconds to minutes and then the game gets installed in the background. The same goes for patches which will be downloaded in background too. That's what people are talking about the whole time in here and it's baffling that MS still haven't find a solution for it on the Xbone considering the X360 does it perfect back in time iirc.
It also downloads patches in background if the game is already installed, the only problem is the first time install. This can be sped up if the console is offline at first so it won't directly apply available patches (which, in my opinion is a good way to do it - why play an unmatched game with perhaps game breaking bugs?) so it can be patched afterwards.