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[-hadouken]

Yh true but it's still extra power PR could use as an extra selling point. Still am curious why nothing concrete has been revealed so far.

Clearly they don't feel that the Slim is enough of a step up to brag about it (it's still sub PS4). This avoids angering less engaged owners of the current box (they'll probably never know), whilst incorporating a little more juice for later down the line. It makes sense.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Didn't they completely remove the Kinect hook up? Maybe they now have all those resources

 

[Skele7on]

Didn't they completely remove the Kinect hook up? Maybe they now have all those resources

removed connection but will provide adapter

 

[krang]

removed connection but will provide adapter

Which makes sense considering they no longer sell Kinect without a USB plug - you currently need an adapter the other way round.

 

[aygomyownroad]

What does HDR mean?

Clueless.

I love my White Xbox one and can happily wait until the Scorpio

 

[MisterXDTV]

What does HDR mean?

Clueless.

I love my White Xbox one and can happily wait until the Scorpio

High Dynamic Range but you need a 4K TV that supports it to use it....

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/hdr-tv-high-dynamic-television-explained

 

[Roitorb]

I have a feeling this is xbox's answer to the neo but they are waiting for the neo to officially announce it.

 

[krang]

Whenever someone says HDR to me I think of the HL2 Lost Coast level.

 

[MikeE21286]

Must be a small difference if they didn't make a bigger deal about it.

Yeah like a 1.05 not a 1.5

 

[mcrommert]

As others have already said in here (but people seem to be expecting something more) - this sounds exactly like the slight performance gains you get from cpu die shrinking.

Yep...360 revs had them...they just didn't let devs use them for the most part.



I wonder if all devs will get access to this

 

[mili2110]

Whenever someone says HDR to me I think of the HL2 Lost Coast level.

It used HDR Lightning, right?
I wonder what HDR really is. My phone even takes HDR photos.

 

[MisterXDTV]

It used HDR Lightning, right?
I wonder what HDR really is. My phone even takes HDR photos.

HDR Video ≠ HDR Photos

They have nothing in common

 

[Raylan]

I have a feeling this is xbox's answer to the neo but they are waiting for the neo to officially announce it.

How is this an answer to thd Neo? It's just a small performance bump. Its still weaker than the OG PS4.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Must be a small difference if they didn't make a bigger deal about it.

Agreed.

 

[HughJanuss]

I have a feeling this is xbox's answer to the neo but they are waiting for the neo to officially announce it.

wat

 

[ethomaz]

Possible a minor clock increase in CPU/GPU that will make games with near 30fps be more stable or games with 1080pr runs close to 1080p.

Xbone to Scorpio is a larger leap than 360 to Xbone. 1.2TF to 6TF (5X) Vs. ~350GF to 1.2TF (~3.4x)

Get your data right...

240GFs to 1.31TFs (+446%)
1.31GFs to 6TFs (+358%)

It is a smaller leap.

Edit - Fixed to not cause confusion.

 

[CosmicQueso]

I have a feeling this is xbox's answer to the neo but they are waiting for the neo to officially announce it.

Are you from the past?

 

[c0de]

Get your data right...

240GFs to 1.34TFs (4.58x)
1.34GFs to 6TFs (3.48x)

It is a smaller leap.

So evidently not a new generation, only an upgrade.

 

[entremet]

Called it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206584899&postcount=396

 

[FDC1]

Possible a minor clock increase in CPU/GPU that will make games with near 30fps be more stable or games with 1080pr runs close to 1080p.


Get your data right...

240GFs to 1.34TFs (4.58x)
1.34GFs to 6TFs (3.48x)

It is a smaller leap.

Hum, you maths are wrong I think. 1.34 to 6 is necessarily over 4x

Edit: it's 5.58x and 4.48x so the point stands but not sure why you deduced 1 lol

 

[ethomaz]

So evidently not a new generation, only an upgrade.

What defines a new generation is the existence of games that only run on the new hardware and not the horse power increase.

Wii U is a new generation for example even with small increase in raw power.

Will Scorpio have exclusives games that doesn't run on XB1/XB1S???

 

[gamz]

Called it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206584899&postcount=396

Nice.

 

[mocolostrocolos]

Is this like a New 3DS level of change?

Something like that except there won't be exclusive games to Xbox One S.

 

[ethomaz]

Hum, you maths are wrong I think. 1.34 to 6 is necessarily over 4x

(6 - 1.34) / 1.34 = 3.477611940298508

It will never be 4x in real math

 

[justsomeguy]

e: you already showed your working

 

[joshwaan]

Curious to see if this benefits backwards compatible titles in the frame rate department.

Smaller, white, and internal power is enough to sway me, just so long as it's still quiet.

This was what i was wondering also

 

[Asmodai48]

Possible a minor clock increase in CPU/GPU that will make games with near 30fps be more stable or games with 1080pr runs close to 1080p.


Get your data right...

240GFs to 1.34TFs (4.58x)
1.34GFs to 6TFs (3.48x)

It is a smaller leap.

What O_O... its 4.47x.

 

[FDC1]

(6 - 1.34) / 1.34 = 3.477611940298508

It will never be 4x in real math

Not sure why you do the -1.34 part. 2.68 is 2x relatively to 1.34, not 1x.

 

[Bessy67]

Hmm, I wonder how much better things will actually look on the console. I have a decent 4K TV with HDR and can get the S for ~$100 out of pocket because of reward certificates and gift cards...

 

[ethomaz]

Not sure why you do the -1.34 part. 2.68 is 2x relatively to 1.34, not 1x.

Because that is the increase...

What O_O... its 4.47x.

Just how you show your data...

It is a 3.48x increase in raw power or 4.48x the power of the old hardware.

But hey 360 to Xbone is a 4.48x increase or 5.48x the raw power.

 

[bidguy]

Not sure why you do the -1.34 part. 2.68 is 2x relatively to 1.34, not 1x.

6 is 347% of 1.34

but the increase is 4.6 times or something

 

[c0de]

Will Scorpio have exclusives games that doesn't run on XB1/XB1S???

It will, especially VR games.

 

[cooldawn]

Wrong thread! Sorry.

 

[FDC1]

6 is 347% of 1.34

Yes but it's 4.47x1.34. You don't use the term 1x for a 100% increase, you say 2x, it's twice the number of teraflops

 

[Hex]

The cloud REBORN!

 

[d9b]

What defines a new generation is the existence of games that only run on the new hardware and not the horse power increase.

Wii U is a new generation for example even with small increase in raw power.

Will Scorpio have exclusives games that doesn't run on XB1/XB1S???

It's up to developers to decide, so potentially the answer is yes.

 

[ethomaz]

Just to make clear...

- XB1 has a 4.48x increase in raw power conpared 360
- Scorpio has a 3.48x increase in raw power compared with XB1

That means.,,

- XB1 = 5.48x 360
- Scorpio = 4.48x XB1

Yes but it's 4.47x1.34. You don't use the term 1x for a 100% increase, you say 2x, it's twice the number of teraflops

For increase you use 1x or in better wording "this device had 100% increase over the previous device" (it essentially changed from 5 to 10).

If you use the word increase it is how it works... that is how benchmarks compare power too.

 

[wachie]

Possible a minor clock increase in CPU/GPU that will make games with near 30fps be more stable or games with 1080pr runs close to 1080p.


Get your data right...

240GFs to 1.34TFs (4.58x)
1.34GFs to 6TFs (3.48x)

It is a smaller leap.

It is indeed.

360 to Xbox One
System RAM: 16x

Xbox One to Scorpio
System RAM: 1-2x

 

[TLZ]

What O_O... its 4.47x.

Then 360 to Xbone is x5.58. Still bigger leap

 

[c0de]

It is indeed.

360 to Xbox One
System RAM: 16x

Xbox One to Scorpio
System RAM: 1-2x

In terms of RAM, we won't see a new generation of consoles for a veeeery long time

 

[Obscuritas]

I have a feeling this is xbox's answer to the neo but they are waiting for the neo to officially announce it.

With that price tag? I highly doubt it.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

So the S is basically a 1.5 and the scorpio is a 2.0.

Absolutely not

 

[Asmodai48]

Then 360 to Xbone is x5.58. Still bigger leap

Its close.

 

[c0de]

With that price tag? I highly doubt it.

What, we already have prices for all devices? Please share!

 

[dr_rus]

Because that is the increase...


Just how you show your data...

It is a 3.48x increase in raw power or 4.48x the power of the old hardware.

But hey 360 to Xbone is a 4.48x increase or 5.48x the raw power.

You can't count the increase in "x". The multiplication imply the usage of the base number in it (3.47x1.34=4.65, not 6). Thus the increase is +347%, not 3.47x. The comparative power is 6/1.3=4,47x or 447% of XBO.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

So so far it seems FH3 and Gears 4 have HDR. So what will this mean for when we play them on our current Xbox One? Less colour compared to the videos we've seen of the games?

Also what a shame the bluetooth is only in that controller. I need my earpiece MS!

 

[suddenlyissoon]

Make sense as Phil talked about compatibility for games across all three models. I couldn't figure out why the S was listed separately.

 

[lowrider007]

If we're moving into a generation-less era MS have have essentially made the baseline entry point onto their platform a lot more incising and tbh it would've of been nice for Sony to of announced a UHD capable PS4, as it stands right now the current PS4 can't even stream netflix in 4K.

In a generation-less business model we're not just competing at the top anymore so it will be very interesting to so if Sony do update their entry model.

 

[ethomaz]

You can't count the increase in "x". The multiplication imply the usage of the base number in it (3.47x1.34=4.65, not 6). Thus the increase is +347%, not 3.47x. The comparative power is 6/1.3=4,47x or 447% of XBO.

3.47 = 347%

You are saying the same thing.

 

[amardilo]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I want a black one.

I want one too as it suits my entertainment setup.