Kazuma Kiryu
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Every month is an interesting month.
On topic, I can see it happening in the US, but worldwide? Doubt it.
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Xbox One to overtake PS4 in US by 2015, says analyst
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Every month is an interesting month.
On topic, I can see it happening in the US, but worldwide? Doubt it.
It outsold the 360 because it had the rest of the world. Nothing will change with the PS4.
This thread is about the US, though.
This is about the US. PS3 never get close to 360 in NA.
SmokedMeat
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In the US I guess it's possible as long as they keep paying for CoD timed DLC. Not sure about anywhere else.
"Your post in the next NPD thread is going to be interesting."I probably make simillar posts to this like every month. Sorry
Black Republican
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In the usa its absolutely possible
maquiladora
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Pretty much.
I don't see it happening. Gamers traditionally don't have a ton of brand loyalty. Whatever product is right for the market wins. PS4 is that product.
Essentially the argument is the Xbox brand is strong in America. Well, the PS2 dominated the US, that didn't stop 360 from cruising to victory over PS3 in the US. And Nintendo's dominance with NES and SNES didn't stop PS1 from killing N64 in the US (although N64 did well in the US).
I see this generation as a repeat of PS1/N64 generation in terms of sales. PS4=PS1, Xbone=N64. The Xbox will do well in NA, not so much elsewhere, and it will lose the US to PS just like N64 did despite having solid numbers here.
Essentially the argument is the Xbox brand is strong in America. Well, the PS2 dominated the US, that didn't stop 360 from cruising to victory over PS3 in the US. And Nintendo's dominance with NES and SNES didn't stop PS1 from killing N64 in the US (although N64 did well in the US).
I see this generation as a repeat of PS1/N64 generation in terms of sales. PS4=PS1, Xbone=N64. The Xbox will do well in NA, not so much elsewhere, and it will lose the US to PS just like N64 did despite having solid numbers here.
Hydrargyrus
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I don't think that they were going to win more than June-July NPD. Even more, if Sony does a really good E3, they could loose June NPD, with the new SKU included.
They already lost march with Titanfall for free and discounts...
They already lost march with Titanfall for free and discounts...
Because no matter the price it would be hard not to feel like you paid for kinect, and in turn paid for something that belongs in the literal dumpster.
Even if the XB1 was 50$ I'd feel cheated knowing at least 5$ of that was for a kinect.
That said I think Microsoft and analysts are underestimating how poisonous the DRM debacle was. I still know plenty of people who only owned 360s who have zero desire to ever even touch an xbox 1 let alone buy one, people who think MS will just flip flop again on that.
Will take YEARS of good behavior to undo that damage.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Not even remotely the same situation. PS2 had been out for ages before xbox even launced, it already established itself. It was also the successor to the super popular ps1. PS4 has none of these advantages. Xbox has been the most popular gaming brand in the US for some time and with price parity it's not out of the question that they could take the lead again. I'm not saying it will happen but it's not even close to a ps2 xbox situation right now.
Ludicrous Speed
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And yet it only trails the PS4 by a few hundred thousand units. Seems very possible that the xbox one could pass the PS4 in the states
This post makes me sad.
I mean you're right to a certain degree (eg.indies selling better on the Vita than on consoles with larger install bases) but it still makes me sad.
N30RYU
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This deal was two weeks ago. If you subtracted the added value of Titanfall, the extra controller and 12 months Gold (each item ~60) the console was basically 264 with Kinect.
Lets just put it that way. It didn't help to decrease the size of th One mountain in that store signicantly.
Meanwhile when they get their monthly shipment of ~300 PS4 units they are gone in less than 24 hours.
Totally annecdotal I know, but this is how it is in Germany from what I've seen and it is one of the biggest markets in the EU.
This sums it up... there's no way a Kinect less One offers better value that the packs already offered.
I can see MS bringing the "Digital Family Share" if the Xbox One doesn't start to sell at a considerable higher rate.
BocoDragon
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It reeks of an analyst who came of age in the late 2000s which is the only moment in history when Xbox dominating was a foregone conclusion.
and by a few hundred thousand you mean 2 million right?
also it will never happen that quick. i still know people that think the Bone won't play used games. MS really screwed up at the reveal. A lot of people were only paying attention then. The early adopters already have theirs. Now the "general public" are buying consoles and they don't follow GAF like we do.
In the US, which is what this thread is about the Xbone is trailing by a few hundred thousand units.
my mistake......but i still don't think it will happen that soon
SmokedMeat
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I've never seen a Halo plummet in price as quickly as H4. Plus wasn't the multiplayer largely disliked among the Xbox community? I have little faith in 343 Studios to keep this franchise in the shape that Bungie had it.
cheezcake
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The multiplayer was utter crap, but from a quick google search it still sold 9 million. Hopefully they learned from their mistakes, I think Halo still holds significant mindshare in NA.
Rebel Leader
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Halo is dead.
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Looking right now for the NPD #'s-
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EDIT: could not find total numbers but found that in november 2012
*Black Ops was #1 with 7 mil
Sticker shock
farmerboy
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There is no way that Sony (after only getting the NA market back for, like, the first time in 8 yrs) is gonna let that happen without a fight. NA is the single biggest market, Sony will fight tooth and nail to keep it.
The analyst is a cock. Is one price drop all it takes, is it? And Sony wont respond at all? Cmon!!
It could happen, but not because of one price drop.
The analyst is a cock. Is one price drop all it takes, is it? And Sony wont respond at all? Cmon!!
It could happen, but not because of one price drop.
I don't even think June-July are givens. Like you said, in March, the system was available for $450 with the biggest game of the first half of the year bundled in, and people still didn't bite. $400 minus Kinect and with no big piece of software to push it? It's definitely up in the air whether they will even win June.
Meh! Your regularly recurring "dropped ball" joke posts weren't funny, when you posted them the last 39349 times.
So yeah let us forget the following:
- Sony can adjust price/make bundles to compete.
- We know nothing about upcoming games from neither the two of them (2015 and after).
- Sony have tons of indie titles coming their way.
- Current cheap bundles have done nothing to help ms.
- Sony is overall just in a better position, especially after the whole DRM thing.
Titanfall was their biggest contender for the year. I doubt that gears and halo will do much, just as I doubt driveclub and a potential new god of war will do much for Sony.
The order, a new souls game and a new uncharted game? Not to mention whatever media molecule is doing. Those games could do very well.
That's just my opinion though. Who knows what will happen? Maybe gears, forza and fable will continue to drive home the sales along with halo, quantum and sunset overdrive
- Sony can adjust price/make bundles to compete.
- We know nothing about upcoming games from neither the two of them (2015 and after).
- Sony have tons of indie titles coming their way.
- Current cheap bundles have done nothing to help ms.
- Sony is overall just in a better position, especially after the whole DRM thing.
Titanfall was their biggest contender for the year. I doubt that gears and halo will do much, just as I doubt driveclub and a potential new god of war will do much for Sony.
The order, a new souls game and a new uncharted game? Not to mention whatever media molecule is doing. Those games could do very well.
That's just my opinion though. Who knows what will happen? Maybe gears, forza and fable will continue to drive home the sales along with halo, quantum and sunset overdrive
Also it will be the first Halo for this generation, so most likely all is forgiven.
e.g. People were kinda fatigued with Uncharted 3, but will get excited for U4 on PS4
Omotesando
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Price cuts/dropping kinect is not the only step MS has to make, it is one of the many MS have to make to win back consumer mindshare.
cheezcake
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Title | NA Sales
Halo: Combat Evolved -> 4.98m
Halo 2 -> 6.82m
Halo 3 -> 7.81m
Halo Reach -> 6.84m
Halo 4 -> 6.22m
Edit: Disregard inaccurate numbers
AusRoachman
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Personally all i see is great games, which is why i brought it.
Rebel Leader
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How did you get this?
WIth the general public, it is not in the toilet. However if the general public has early adopter friends that went with PS4, which there are more, they may decide to pick the PS4 up to play against online. This effect is exponential.
lol no, not in the US
I can see this happening, it's Xbox and ammmerican so people will eat it up.
A $100 cheaper pricetag will move units. Of course.
Rebel Leader
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Gotta love those patriots!
cheezcake
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Well nevermind, the site sourced ******** so dont trust the numbers
Edit: haha its banned
Rogue_Ledr
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Sheeeesh! These people just assume that Sony will take no further action now or in the future to combat MS.
I thought that was because of stock issues ps4 was having?
shadowsdarknes
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The Xbone TF bundle was a better value at 450 then an XB1 without TF and No Kinect for 399.
shoplifter
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And regular doctors will be replaced...by African witch doctors.
So sayeth the Amazing Criswell.
So sayeth the Amazing Criswell.
And they somehow still whiffed.
I think the analyst is just trying to get page views.
I'm not an analyst, but I think the die is cast.
My view is that they took care of their price problem, but they still have a perception problem, namely that their console is percieved as being weaker (because it is) and their strategies look desperate and are all over the place.
My view is that they took care of their price problem, but they still have a perception problem, namely that their console is percieved as being weaker (because it is) and their strategies look desperate and are all over the place.
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