Sure. I do have a fairly standard router though, nothing out of the ordinary. It's about 10 meters and 1 wall away. I think most people would get similar results.
Same here. I really want this to work well, so I'm optimistic
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Xbox One vs PS4 - Comparison Table
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Sure. I do have a fairly standard router though, nothing out of the ordinary. It's about 10 meters and 1 wall away. I think most people would get similar results.
Same here. I really want this to work well, so I'm optimistic
SwiftDeath
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From everything I've seen it's far less of a subsidization and much more of a discount
Subsiding something implies to me that the one providing the subsidy isn't making money
MS certainly will still make money off of devs using Azure just with somewhat smaller profits
We've heard about them offering to subsidize the servers on a game that is exclusive to MS. Have we heard from any multiplat developers at all that they're getting subsidized dedicated server support?
Commanche Raisin Toast
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The AUX port on the PS4 is the dedicated port for the camera. It's an input, not an output. Sony confirmed this shortly after the console was shown for the first time.
I'll add a bunch of stuff tomorrow and go through this thread.
If you want to make my life easier, you can edit a version here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah2xHERIzVWzdHZ1Mi0yTTNwQlpWV3FsV0JnbHBpS1E#gid=0
If you want to make my life easier, you can edit a version here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah2xHERIzVWzdHZ1Mi0yTTNwQlpWV3FsV0JnbHBpS1E#gid=0
ChronotriggerJM
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Can anyone clarify on whether or not PS4 will be incorporating the blutooth 4.0 update? Also curious about that Wifi-direct response time, it sounds pretty nice actually. (not that I've had any issue playing PS3 games, and won't really matter because we'll only be playing against other PS4 players).
yeah that was the seed of why I made a table, it really crystallizes things, should have done it sooner.
Katana_Strikes
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I did this just for myself, wow.
The gap is widening. The PS4 is now $100.01 cheaper
But yeah without camera, thats a hefty price advantage.
A game comparison right now is moot. It may open the doors for some of Sony's indie games, but more than anything the comparison is pointless so trying to "bottom of the barrel" for some games to fit the criteria of exclusive for Sony is a fruitless exercise. You can't compare a system that has 85-90% of its first year exclusives revealed vs. a system that has only 25-30% of its first year stuff revealed. Especially considering Sony has 20 first year PS4 exclusives coming versus 15 for Microsoft.
I think I read something about BT2.1having a lower latency than the later revisions. But I can't remember where.
As for the WiFi, I thought I saw something about the Xbone having 2.4 and 5 but again can't remember where. The PS4 that just went through the FCC only had 2.4. 5 is pants in my house anyway and I'm wired but clearly I'm not everybody.
No word on if the PS4 does WiFi direct or not.
Liquidsnake
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Best twitter account to follow for Xbox One info?
Fornaximus
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I have zero interest in getting an XB1, but I wouldn't mind having a PS4. Hell, I'm thinking about buying that GTAV PS3 bundle. I primarily game on PC, but I had a PS3 until it broke in 2009. Wouldn't mind catching up on all of the stuff I've missed between then and now.
Gamescom will clear things up a bit I guess.
If it doesn't, it means Sony's pre-TGS show will be the most epic show ever in mankind. Got like 15 titles left to reveal for PS4 first year, all of them gonna be in that one show haha
same here. feel your pain... so many times...
Yeah, I know. Me too. My attachment to "last gen" value dramatically affects my next gen decisions. I've never bought a system at launch, and probably won't again.
Fornaximus
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I bought a launch PS2. Read its final disc 1 year later to the day. Waited a year after launch to get a PS3. YLOD 3 days shy of one year later. Repaired it through Sony, YLOD 9 months later. I've owned just about every mainstream console since the NES, and I only had those two break on me. I'm very skeptical of hardware within the launch window.
Tripolygon
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1. RemotePlay is a second screen feature and Sony making it a system level feature rather than developer choice and making developers provide Vita control scheme is pushing second screen.
2. Creating PlayStation App which allows you to browse PSN, download games to PS4, View PSN profile, Watch live streaming videos, Messege friends is also supporting second screen.
Remoteplay does not work over bluetooth, it works over Wifi.
People keep going on about Wifi direct when they clearly do not know what it is, it is a software stack in the Wifi standard supported in every certified 802.11n standard. It allows 2 devices to connect with each other without the need for access points (router). It allows for simultaneous connection between 2+ devices while also maintaining an internet connection which cannot be done in adhoc mode. PS4 to Vita remoteplay is via Wifi direct according to Mark Cerny at E3 Latin conference and can also work via router over the internet/local network akin to how remoteplay on PS3 works via adhoc direct connection between PS3 and PSP/PS Vita and over the internet.
No PS4 does not support BT4.0. BT4.0 data rate is much lower than BT2.1EDR for devices using BLE profile, lower latency but If BLE is not used, throughput is 24Mb/s for Bluetooth 3.0+ via a 802.11 wifi link but higher latency compared to latency of bluetooth 2.1EDR.
PotionBleue
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I'm not sure if I understand. Wii U's method is not Wi-fi direct then since it communicates with the GamePad via Wi-Fi and uses ANOTHER wi-fi chip for Internet?
Tripolygon
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Edit. Its not Wifi direct but it uses a standard wifi chip and encryption method. It uses H.246 compression for the video and Nintendo's custom protocol for transmission.
BleachAndPepsi
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But again, trying to replace a dual analog controller with touch screen controls is an abomination.
PotionBleue
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Mmmh. Is h.246 some sort of low-latency compression method or was it a typo for h.264?
Also, which method is supposedly the best then? Wi-fi direct or the odd Wii U thing?
Tripolygon
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Its h.264 which is pretty much the standard for web videos/portable devices and produces decent quality vs bandwidth ratio. I don't know why they chose that compression method but could be because that is what the hardware encoder they used produces. PS4 video encoder uses the same format and i wouldn't doubt Xbox One using the same format for video sharing and streaming.
I don't know the best method but WiiU Pad has a ridiculous low latency but the video quality is not the best. Sony says they are using Wifi direct and some of their Gaikai tech in there for remote play and I think Microsoft is using Wifi direct with a dual band Wifi chip and i would think some microsoft special sauce.
Terra Firma
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I did this just for myself, wow.
You could even remove that $60 for an additional game for the PS4 because PS+ gives you a free game at launch and then free games every month for the rest of the year. Nothing like that on Xbox One/XBL Gold.
metareferential
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Not really a free game at launch, if you're referring to Drive Club.
And one could argue that XB1 has a similar offer with Killer Instinct.
BleachAndPepsi
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Throw in the three indie games for the first month on PS4 as well.
You get all the features of the full game with some cars/tracks missing. With KI you get one character...
NullPointer
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OUCH.I did this just for myself, wow.
metareferential
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Yeah, I was forgetting those.
You get all the features of the game with just one character (they said you can play arcade/story mode and I guess even VS to some extent?).
They're both gimped games that should push you towards the purchase of the full product, or at least some DLCs.
I'm just trying to be as neutral as possible. I don't care about what's better, I'll buy them all anyway just because I can. xD
miDnIghtEr20C
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You have to have a head set and have to have a charge and play?!?!?!?! Wha? I know I want to get a headset, but I don't NEED a headset. Kinect will do that for me.
And play and charge? Meh.. .whatever. I rather use plain batteries. I am always in supply of many double A's, so I don't mind that one bit. I don't NEED a play and charge.
And play and charge? Meh.. .whatever. I rather use plain batteries. I am always in supply of many double A's, so I don't mind that one bit. I don't NEED a play and charge.
I did this just for myself, wow.
I can't believe Xbox One is actually more than the PS4 lol. I actually expected it to be $50-$100 cheaper lol. It's hilarious that a console with 50% more hardware performance is $100 cheaper lol.
But yea, as a poster above said, with PS+ you don't even need to buy a game. DriveClub, Outlast, Don't Starve, Secret Ponchos and Warframe all free.
Garrett 2U
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Well the Kinect doesn't have any additional charge, the PS Eye requires PS Moves for the amount of players. Which is something to consider if you're going to evaluate the cameras.I did this just for myself, wow.
Price is pretty rough for someone who doesn't necessarily care about motion games though.
Don't the controllers have some sort of PS Eye functionality built into them? Thought I saw robots jumping out of the DS4 in the tech video or something.
I dunno, Kinect, PS Eye, it's all the same to me, in that I don't want it. Just give me a gamepad, a jar of ice water and a box of tissues and leave me alone.
miDnIghtEr20C
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People just now are finding out that the X1 is more expensive than the PS4? What?
NullPointer
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Yes, that's exactly whats happening. Very perceptive.
Vestal
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Welcome to "Neogaf Revelations".
BleachAndPepsi
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The light in the controller isn't just for decoration.
Also, the camera tracks your body's movements like Kinect does.
Since when does the Eye require PS Move controllers? It can track your body movements as well. The Move is just an extra type of input device that is available.
Black_Stride
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In the Xbone defense....well not really, but just pointing out.
The Kinect can be used for voice chat correct (playing through speakers this might just be a hinderance, but with Headphones and the Kinect 1 it wasnt bad.
Also the Xbone controller uses AA batteries and a regie USB cable for charging correct.
Get Eneloops(extra cost I know I know) and or just use your usb cable, im sure everyone already has a usb cable, specially if you were a PS3 user before.
Further, what does 1.84TF mean when compared to 1.24TF with Azure cloud processing? Anyone actually know?
PS4 has to have more exclusives than that, lets be serious.
The Kinect can be used for voice chat correct (playing through speakers this might just be a hinderance, but with Headphones and the Kinect 1 it wasnt bad.
Also the Xbone controller uses AA batteries and a regie USB cable for charging correct.
Get Eneloops(extra cost I know I know) and or just use your usb cable, im sure everyone already has a usb cable, specially if you were a PS3 user before.
Further, what does 1.84TF mean when compared to 1.24TF with Azure cloud processing? Anyone actually know?
PS4 has to have more exclusives than that, lets be serious.
I agree. I could understand 360 using AA batteries, since the console was first released back in November 2005. But today with Xbox One? LOL.
They'll be showing off more on Gamescom & on Tokyo Game Show.
BleachAndPepsi
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According to my math, if you add cloud processing to each side (since both are capable of it and Sony has confirmed they have servers available for developers--rumored to be rented from Amazon), the numbers come out to:
1.84TF for PS4 and 1.24TF for Xbone.
EightBitNate
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Does the Xbox One controller have any sort of motion sensors in it? Or can Kinect track it?
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