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Xbox One Will STILL Function if Kinect Isn't Plugged In.
- Thread starter Speedy Blue Dude
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'Sup.
Admittedly, it's more of a "I'll get one down the line if there's a compelling software library" more than anything, but it's a step from "fuck off" I was at before. And yeah, I'll accept that I'm probably a pretty tiny minority. But hey.
Now we just need a 180 on the XBLG paywall on apps that can be accessed for free on basically any other device and that'll be another step in the right direction... Lets see, that puts us at 900, still need one more for the coveted 1080. Hmm...
Good job Microsoft, you're nearly there... you've removed my last objection with owning an Xbox One.
Now, I'll wait for the inevitable Kinectless SKU sold down the line to resolve my last standing issue with purchasing your system. Of course the longer that takes the more heavily I'll be ingrained in Sony's PS4 ecosystem *shrug*
Now, I'll wait for the inevitable Kinectless SKU sold down the line to resolve my last standing issue with purchasing your system. Of course the longer that takes the more heavily I'll be ingrained in Sony's PS4 ecosystem *shrug*
FeiRR
Banned
My impression from Albert's post is that they've built the system around this functionality. That was their design choice. I know nobody's going to force me to buy their product. I'm just expressing an opinion on what could be the results of that choice and that is limiting their potential consumer base to several languages and excluding some people out. We have a lot of "console wars" threads and people waging the odds. I see a lot of price and hardware power arguments but hardly anybody pays attention to other important aspects like actual usability of the console if you're not that iconic American dudebro.
People who say that Kinect supports 6 languages should remember that in a sentence like "Xbox, go to Killer Instinct" only the words "go to" can be translated. The rest may be pronounced in various ways and may render the command unrecognizable. This is a problem button or touch based UIs don't have to cope with.
Not all PR is bad PR.
Look at the Iwata Asks if we're talking Nintendo.
That's a bit of PR that people actually like and want more of.
I mean PR is really Public Relation, because you hear something you like in a format you like doesn't mean it's not PR.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I'm right there with you, tiny minority or not. I went from "never" to "mid generation, probably."
I guess all that backtracking worked for the two of us.
I for one am not dismissing what he says, it is just completely under the realm of the 'on point' messaging MS is trying to get out there. The same would be said about Reggie if all he talked about was Nintendo and their policy changes/stances.
Most developers that post here at least talk about other games and systems.
You said that Al's presence here was 'not PR in the strictest sense' and bish basically replied with 'no, it is most definitely PR in the strictest sense'.
I can almost feel that Kinect-less bundle coming for 349 (or 343
. It's just that this is starting to look so desperate. (Which I don't really give a damn about, because it's good or the customers)
Do any of you think that all these modification in policies and all this backing mean that X1 preorders are trully below their expectations?
. It's just that this is starting to look so desperate. (Which I don't really give a damn about, because it's good or the customers) Do any of you think that all these modification in policies and all this backing mean that X1 preorders are trully below their expectations?
Its ok. I'm realizing that I'm struggling to get my thoughts across the right way.
So if Microsoft told you for every game you make that has a developed kinect feature we'll spot you x money, you would cut that feature? Microsoft will be pushing to get devs to build meaningful interactions with the Kinect rather than half assed motion controls. With the IR emitters in the controllers, they have access to motion sensing and positioning with the controller so they can do cool things there.
Compare the Kinect to the iPad. No one wanted it beyond fanatics when it was announced. With every iteration, the iPad has found its way as a norm in every day life. The Kinect being included from the start can now help push development of the tech. Without pushing it, the tech can't go anywhere. Give it 2-3 years of being fully supported and tinkered with from devs and we'll see some really cool uses and growth in the possibilities.
Make that three. I will more than likely pick one up now in a few years after pretty much dismissing it.
make that
Now I won't lock the door and tell the visitor to stay the hell away from my house when said visitor comes with a xbone to play
Alx
Member
That's true. And it's nice to have a direct (and clear) feedback in this very forum. Especially when MS communication has been so lacking recently.
Keep up the good job Albert, and thanks for all your contributions !
Ovek
7Member7
Xbudz
Member
Used Games!
No Online DRM!
Self Publishing!
Headset Included!
Ability to dis-Kinect!
That's actually 5 180s so far.
Xbox 900. Tony Hawk would be proud.
You contradicted yourself in the space of two posts. MogCakes was kind enough to point it out above.
We have many community managers, CEOs, and other devs who are self-identified and participate in various threads - but when they comment on the projects that their company is involved with, that messaging has been hashed out before it ever gets here, believe me.
It's great to be able to ask questions directly to people who are authorized to represent their companies online and on this forum specifically, but calling public relations for what it is - especially in light of Microsoft's months of disastrous PR post-Orth - is not being dismissive, it's being honest.
Alx
Member
Sure, why not.
I do get what you were saying with the attitude that some have with dismissing anything positive for MS, just that bish wasn't addressing it when he replied to you.
And now Kinect is the next iPad, I swear sometimes it's like a parody here.
That's true. And it's nice to have a direct (and clear) feedback in this very forum. Especially when MS communication has been so lacking recently.
Keep up the good job Albert, and thanks for all your contributions !
Exactly! Direct informations without filters is better nowadays.
There's a reason people like direct interviews and the direct of the competitions are so well received.
I'm not one to praise MSFT easily but kuddos here.
CrankyKong
Member
Well that does it for me.
They have turned an undesirable console into a desirable one.
They have turned an undesirable console into a desirable one.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/albertpenello
Sounds like he is already the man as far as PR is concerned. ;-P
Freezie KO
Banned
When it comes to mandatory hardware that the majority of consumers don't see value in, Kinect isn't the next iPad. It's the next GamePad.
nuttyevans
Member
Might get one down the line but after dealing with 4 RRoD's over the 360 years it's not guarantee. Some good games but generally a shitty company.
That's not what I'm saying. You have to push to get adoption. Who the hell knew they wanted a tablet everyday in their life? Outside of businesses that used them every day, no one. It changed mobile computing. Microsoft has to maintain a stance that the Kinect will be packed in with every console. They believe in what they got and they need people to see it for themselves before they bail on it.
Kinect 1 sold millions - more than enough to justify make kinect games even though it wasn't a pack in. And all of those sales were people that wanted it enough to pay for it. Bundling it means a larger addressable market but you don't know how many actually want games for it.
It just feels like it is turning into a voice control plus occasional minor gestures thing. That might be a good thing, if MS don't try and ram the 'you are the controller' nonsense down our throats again, but instead allow kinect to simply add value in lots of small ways - overall that could be worth it.
Freezie KO is right though, it's the next gamepad more than the next iPad, seriously.
Apple didn't have to do anything different to make it a success.
That's like saying the Surface is the next iPad because you know no one wanted a laptop with touchscreen before or some crap like that.
We can do that all day :
It's the next wristwatch because who knew they wanted to know the time without having to get it from their jacket or something
It's the next Office because who knew that they wanted to use a software to write something instead of the all tried and true typewritter....
I can do it all day.
Games for Kinect didn't seem to far that good though
Welp, there's your Gaf anecdotal evidence. This move's gotten some potential customers for ya, MS.
WHAT SAY YOU NOW, ELTORRO?!
As for the whole Albert Penello discussion, yeah sure he's PR by all accounts, but I'd say he at least feels more genuine then a lot of the voices coming from MS. I'd take him over the likes of Nelson any day of the week, so I'd vote for MS to put him more at the forefront if they let him address the audience like they let him do 'round here.
Oh come on...You wouldn't even try to sell it or trade it in at GS for the people that broke theirs?
This is another big step in the right direction. This is what the "unfair backlash" got us...Some common sense decisions to please the customers they need.
I'm not sure how they could say they're not altering their vision though because I doubt anyone would believe that at this point, especially when articles specifically mention them altering their vision for the future.
I wonder how devs approach this? If MS just changed this policy, then devs that have kinect for ancillary stuff like voice may not have coded alternatives. Or will the certification already require a controller based alternative for kinect features?
ElTorro said he preordered one.
I probably will too, but I'll try and resist the tech lust until next year. Have a PS4 paid off and there aren't enough exclusives on Xbox to justify it yet. But if MS show Xbox at gamescom working really well with UK TV like sky etc, I might fold.
ElTorro said he preordered one.
I probably will too, but I'll try and resist the tech lust until next year. Have a PS4 paid off and there aren't enough exclusives on Xbox to justify it yet. But if MS show Xbox at gamescom working really well with UK TV like sky etc, I might fold.
Nah, count the amount of "Now get rid of Kinect and do $399" posts and compare. Besides, words of appreciation are cheap compared to serious preorders. ;-P
I think that would have been a given anyway, bar features where Kinect is the only way to utilise the feature.
It sure as hell is more honest than shills and astro turfers
Bizarre.
Black Republican
Member
You wouldnt even sell it? Just dump it? smh
Yeah, I still feel a bit like I should not encourage certain plans Microsoft had and all the bullshitting "infinite power of the clowd" messaging they put out, despite the 180s they did at least on the first issue. But I am looking forward to play around with the XB1 SDK.
So that's another one (two?) to the list...
Oh, so now it's "it has to be more than the people who want a Kinect-less SKU?" I SEE YOU MOVING THOSE GOALPOSTS DAMMIT
heh
SkyMasterson
Member
I really wish the kinect wasn't being shoved down our throats. Would love to save $100.
Maybe but I really want Netflix and TV guide outside of the paywall as Xbox would be a secondary box for me. And not needing kinect was only ever a practical concern for me - I can't easily have it set up permanently.
Crazy how many u-turns they have made with this thing. I am one of those who has gone from never getting one, to now considering it, if they offer a bundle without kinect.
It all seems very rushed and knew jerk reactions which concerns me. Yes their product was unpopular, but boy, have they shown a lack of confidence in their original plan.
They must still not be very happy with their preorder numbers if they are willing to make it work without kinect plugged in, which is the one thing I NEVER thought they would change. It was the one aspect that they seemed completely confident in
It all seems very rushed and knew jerk reactions which concerns me. Yes their product was unpopular, but boy, have they shown a lack of confidence in their original plan.
They must still not be very happy with their preorder numbers if they are willing to make it work without kinect plugged in, which is the one thing I NEVER thought they would change. It was the one aspect that they seemed completely confident in
GraveHorizon
poop meter feature creep
If Kinect isn't required, what does the Xbox One do differently?
Castef
Banned
I consider this move more strictly linked to the whole NSA mess instead of the preorder quantity.
In this very delicate (and bad) situation announcing that Kinect could be completely turned off is a smart move.
Instead, removing Kinect from the box would be a really BAD move for Microsoft. I hope they'll stick to this plan and continue bundling Kinect with the console.
While I was mostly just being silly, come to think of it it would've been kinda interesting to do some surveys or something after each of the policy changes to see how much each switch caused people to warm back up to the idea of buying an Xbone. I mean, sure, totally anecdotal and probably not significantly useful, but it'd be a nifty insight anyway.