Marty Chinn
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Xbox ONE's Prospects: How Screwed Is It, Exactly?
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YOU don't understand that without competition Sony would have no incentive to be portrayed as they are right now.
Just picking this post out of a vacuum: don't forget they're offering free games with XBLG subscriptions. It's not implausible someone decides "sure why not", gets a year again... and dumps it immediately afterwards. I really am half considering that, one last year for Xbox before sticking with PS4.I am actually quite excited for the Xbox One and think that MS may have a very important advantage heading into next gen. They already have people locked in.
For reference, the PSN+ 12 month is at #79.
I know for many people on here, including myself, the $50 for XBL Gold or PSN+ won't really stop you from getting what you'd like but I think many people who only get 1 console or are on a budget, a $100 swing for switching ($50 on service 1 + $50 on service 2) is even more of an impediment.
For the record, even if I got an XBL subscription now my PS+ would still last longer, that's scheduled to expire January 2015.
captainraincoat
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Hmm with Ps4s crappy launch line up i dont think it has nothing to worry about
even though the xbox does not have a AAA launch lineup they will have titles that appeal to more gamers....and they have a heap more coming out the pipe than sony in the first 12 months.
The price is the only advantage they have and would not be surprised if they drop or add more value by having a pack in game and a discount gold subscription.
even though the xbox does not have a AAA launch lineup they will have titles that appeal to more gamers....and they have a heap more coming out the pipe than sony in the first 12 months.
The price is the only advantage they have and would not be surprised if they drop or add more value by having a pack in game and a discount gold subscription.
Manmademan
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Ask the saturn. edit: or the WiiU lol
Castef
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If Sony didn't enter the market, you would be playing Final Fantasy VII on Nintendo 64 instead. No big deal. No loss.
Yeah...I'm rather curious how Microsoft will market the new Kinect. I imagine it'll go along the lines of "You know that camera you bought for your 360 that kinda sorta worked, well, this one actually works. And it only costs $500."
You said they would get worse and I agreed. You should probably stop raging so hard.
Haha, what?
Castef
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Yep! Remember him how Microsoft put the online passes on their games in order to limit the used game market!
Arkam
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And despite all of this I am more excited for the XboxOne.
How can that be?
Games -> Forza, TitanFall (not counting multiplats)
Controller -> Additional rumble motors in triggers
Service -> Live has been a great service and promises to be even more expansive
Though there are two major negatives that have held back my preoder.
$500 is about $100 more than I want to spend
How integral is the kinect to the X1 experience and will it work well when used at a desk.
How can that be?
Games -> Forza, TitanFall (not counting multiplats)
Controller -> Additional rumble motors in triggers
Service -> Live has been a great service and promises to be even more expansive
Though there are two major negatives that have held back my preoder.
$500 is about $100 more than I want to spend
How integral is the kinect to the X1 experience and will it work well when used at a desk.
Manmademan
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In the UK there ias an independant chain of game stores called Grainger Games and the Xbox One is outselling PS4 by 3 to 1 (according to my mate who works there) and the reason is simple, COD: Ghosts is plastered all over their Xbox One promotion and not on their PS4 promotion.
The point being that the vast majority of gamers don't care about all this shit, they really don't. As long as there are games coming out for it that they want to play then thats all thats important to people.
Also can i just say that some of the posts in here are cringeworthy and are just Sony fanboy shite and i don't know why people spend the energy responding to them as you can spot them a mile off.
The point being that the vast majority of gamers don't care about all this shit, they really don't. As long as there are games coming out for it that they want to play then thats all thats important to people.
Also can i just say that some of the posts in here are cringeworthy and are just Sony fanboy shite and i don't know why people spend the energy responding to them as you can spot them a mile off.
You agreed but how would things improve with MS gone as you said?
cyberheater
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Well I never ever thought they'd do a 180 on the DRM thing. I think they are very sensitive now on making the Xbox One's launch successful. They must by now have a clear idea of pre-order ratios. There is only so much they can play with. Dropping the Kinect and price would be a hard decision. But surely no harder then the DRM reversal.
I'd wait on the Wii U (though if it's 3rd place it'll be because Microsoft fucked up that badly more than anything else at this point), but Saturn lost literally from starting prematurely. Not so much as dead before it arrived so much as it just ARRIVED and thus died, almost like forcing a baby to be born far in advance of the normal 9 months.
NullPointer
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Speaking as a gamer I agree with you, but I don't see the Kinect as a game device. Its a remote control, a new user interface, and its application for non-games and apps could be astounding. Thats why I think they should keep it. A few games here and there for dancing or fitness, or voice commands to bypass menus in games also make for optional extras that could be nice.
Hubris is exactly what brought us the Xbox One. Hubris, and taking their preferred existing customer base for granted, all while marginalizing the 30% or so who never took their consoles online.
No way they drop Kinect; it is integral to everything they are doing. You can say the same for DRM though...I just don't see Kinect going anywhere.
Honestly, it's too early to tell. Xbox One can win over souls in the coming months, as launch is still months away. At the same time, PlayStation 4 can still screw up big time (think Gamescam, Tokyo Game Show, maybe another event).
Right now, PlayStation 4 will probably do better, but, again, months away from launch: it's too early to tell.
Right now, PlayStation 4 will probably do better, but, again, months away from launch: it's too early to tell.
They don't have a heap more coming out the pipe, Sony just hasn't revealed as much. Last time I checked 20 > 15.
PS2 says otherwise. Gamers didn't "suffer" during that gen. Moreover there will always be competition between game developers.
Someone will fill the void.
Even if Sony had a monopoly, it couldn't have possibly been worse than what Microsoft envisioned with the Xbox One (and as far as anyone knows, still might).
Flatline
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Introduced and heavily pushed for micro-transactions one of the biggest cancers of the industry today, introduced the pay-for-P2P model Sony has now adopted (fuck you too Sony), ridiculously expensive proprietary peripherals and last but not least their disgusting attitude regarding RROD, from the fact that they released a product they knew was faulty before release to the fact that they did everything in their power to hide that disaster.
Manmademan
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The Saturn got hamstrung by a botched US launch, and Sony sucker punching it on price.
The WiiU is selling at saturn-esque levels with no next gen competition. Third parties are jumping ship. Once Sony and MS hit, it's going to be a bloodbath. A WiiU is only $50 less than a PS4. Anyone who isn't a die hard nintendo fan has no reason to pick up the thing.
If Kinect's dropped it's post-launch window, if rumors are true they're dropping the Kinect requirement from the system itself, but that'd require a firmware update probably just like the online DRM and as such it'd need to come with the system anyway. Plus it's a handy backup plan in case the price really IS too high (which it probably is), give in and just dump it come summer to drop the price faster.
Yeah, I definitely think they undermined what novelty it had, and now that everyone tried it they'd probably look at it and assume the worst. Kind of like why Motion Plus never really took off despite being a cheap add-on and built into all Wii Remotes after a certain point.
Yeah, I was being kind of nitpicky with the Saturn really given we didn't even HAVE a chance to react before release: it just came out of the blue.
As for Wii U: well, the 3DS did turn around, there's probably room for a significant price drop if Nintendo's willing (and they're bluffing about no plans), and there ARE enough Nintendo fans unlike Sega for the Saturn (nevermind that Sonic more or less sat out the Saturn anyway.) It's probably going to be GC again rather than an out and out failure, not unless a steep price drop really does shock it to life.
semiconscious
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i still think that ms' decision to release the kinect for the 360, rather than wait for the xbone, was a double-edged sword. yeah, it sold well, but what could've been novel's already had time to burn out...
No, they suffered afterwards when Sony announced the PS3. Talk about kicking the can up the road.
cyberheater
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Yeah. I agree with this as well. But why make it mandatory. If I want those added features and they are important to me then I'll pony up the wedge to buy the thing like I did the last time.
For a vast number of gamers. They are not going to interested in it.
NullPointer
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I could. I could also imagine far worse than what MS proposed.
Just look at some of the more outlandish patents from both sides if you want horrow show material.
Which is true and why I think they'll just take the hits for now and try to relaunch later with a lower price or with amazing bundles. Just a guess of course.
Totally different scenarios.
PS3 and Xbox 360 as well as PS4 and Xbox One are pretty much identical hardware/price wise.
haha, man it's hard to take some people seriously. I mean, this post reads like you're just willing yourself to ignore everything that has happened. The price is the only advantage? Where have you been?
You also keep prattling on about how Xbox One's first year lineup is going to dominate (in every topic you care to comment about it), when the comparison is being made with woefully incomplete information.
Of the 15-17 or so first year exclusive titles Microsoft is said to have, they're only missing like 1-3 announcements. I can show you the list; it's nearly complete. Of the first 20 first year exclusives titles PS4 has, only 5 have been announced - Killzone, Drive Club, Knack, InFamous: Second Son and The Order. How can you claim to know which has the best first year lineup when we only know of like 25-30% of what Sony is going to be offering, but we know 80-90% of what Microsoft is going to be offering?
Put down the rose tinted goggles my friend.
Mortimer Brewster
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The Xbone will do fine in terms that it will likely be profitable and likely carve out a 35-40 million unit niche in the Worldwide market but will lag significantly behind Sony which I predict will sell 70-75 million units worldwide.
I don't think it'll be as one sided as some of these polls suggest especially with Microsoft removing their DRM policies, they do face an uphill battle though.
The only thing they can do is keep showing games to keep people interested, if I'm being honest the Xbox release line up is looking better to me than the PS4 (Mainly because of Dead Rising 3) but Infamous is just around the corner as well.
The only thing they can do is keep showing games to keep people interested, if I'm being honest the Xbox release line up is looking better to me than the PS4 (Mainly because of Dead Rising 3) but Infamous is just around the corner as well.
Does anyone still think Microsoft will outright win even? It's seems pretty telling that no one has even made a strong case for how they could win without making broad changes to their current plans. The best that can be said is that it will be on par with the ps4 or maybe selling more in the US while Sony dominates the world market?
What happens when they are both selling out at launch, but because Sony might be manufacturing more as rumored, they achieve a much higher installed base in the first year? Does this have a snowball effect causing more customers and maybe developers to jump onboard?
Outside of these polls there's still significant factors favoring Sony that are at play. I don't see how Microsoft will come out on top this time.
What happens when they are both selling out at launch, but because Sony might be manufacturing more as rumored, they achieve a much higher installed base in the first year? Does this have a snowball effect causing more customers and maybe developers to jump onboard?
Outside of these polls there's still significant factors favoring Sony that are at play. I don't see how Microsoft will come out on top this time.
Manmademan
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somewhere within the next year or two, Sony is going to announce Demon's Souls 2...and it's going to be glorious when it happens.
cyberheater
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I've not seen a single thing on the new Kinect which has made me say wow. I must have that device. It's definitely worth the extra £80 for the machine.
FranXico
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You got me worried now, because Sony's stance on many things now is, "if MS got away with this, so can we".
I wonder if they would be willing to release faulty hardware, just to push it out by the numbers and make it first to the market. Surely, if anything that the RROD has taught us is that gamers are so fickle, they will forgive anything. And very quickly so.
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Diggeh
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It'll do better than the Wii U's entire lifespan.
Sales aren't their own incentive? GAF relies all too heavily on this "competition is good" conventional wisdom. There is nothing inherently good about competition in a marketplace and plenty of cases when it does nothing but taint the market. The console market has certainly seen it's fair share of dysfunctional behavior for the sake of "competition".
It's amazing this place still champions competition given that the logical progression of that philosophy has directly led to the massive clusterf*ck product overreaches like the PS3 and the XBO. A large part of why the console market is as messed up as it is, is because of competition.
You don't understand a monopoly then. The incentive to do what Sony is doing for the PS4 would be out the window.
Flatline
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It's integral to their focus on advertising, you might not see the benefits but Microsoft does.
Microsoft have nothing to do with that. Sony would have been obligated to adjust the PS3 price as the market would have rejected it anyway even without any other competition.
Kinect is still there and is a huge complaint. They haven't completely fixed their issues yet.
And From Software will be too busy Making Dark Souls 3 Multiformat
Maybe they can get Yuke to make Demon Souls 2
If they take it out all the Xbox One is anymore is a less powerful PS4, they need the Kinect to differentiate themselves even if it increases the price.
To me that's fine, but to less informed people I think it makes the decision more obvious towards the PS4.
This is capitalism; competition breeds innovation, creativity, etc. Without it you have no innvoation, creativity, etc. I respect what you are saying but I completely disagree with the logic.
Oh, I'm sure we can find a few here who would think that.
Arkam
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The things is no one knows (or actually has a clue) how this will all turn out. Once the products are out in consumer's hands and they start talking about them on social networks we will see.
For all we know MS and X1 will clean house, just as easily could be PS4. Nothing now (or on gaf) matters. Right now its just a bunch of nerds talking about video games they haven't played yet
I guess it really depends on how things pan out in the long-run. As long as the XBox One does not pull Wii-U numbers, then I think it will do ok. They have some great games coming, so that will keep them rolling regardless of what Sony do.
We will have to wait a good few years to see exactly what happens but in the meantime, we can have some games to play.
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