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Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017

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This is pretty cool, from Videogamer

"There are games that were written on Xbox One, and we continue to evangelize this tech of dynamic scaling - Halo 5's a good example - when Halo 5 runs it wants to max out at 1080p/60 frames per second or highest resolution/60 frames per second," he said. "As scenes get more complex, the vertical resolution will shrink... to keep the 60 frames per second.

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"When that same game's running on Scorpio, because of the compute capability, it's effectively is going to run at its max resolution the whole time. And so you will see advantages like that when your Xbox One games are running on Scorpio. So that's why we continue to talk to developers about dynamic scaling because I think as compute capability goes up on the hardware, they kind of get it for free."
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Any game using a dynamic res on the Xbox One could see a bump in resolution?
 
Afrikan said:
so um, more expensive than $500 huh? I mean I guess that was expected, but in other threads many seem to think it's going to be $399-499.

"or if the Scorpio is a more premium(expensive)" than the price examples they asked them.... and the rep responded by saying it was going to be more premium.

so what do yall think the price will be? $599 or even more than that?

Does Microsoft want Scorpio to be their a mini Gaming Rigs that we have seen? And that it just has the familiar Microsoft Xbox brand name attached to it instead of, for example Alien?
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There's not a chance in Hell they touch $599, straight death sentence...that price is an Internet meme.

Probably $449-$499.. by fall 2017 who knows, might even be $399 if they don't mind taking a bigger loss.
 
Bits N Pieces said:
This is pretty cool, from Videogamer



Any game using a dynamic res on the Xbox One could see a bump in resolution?
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Honestly this sounds really smart. Games probably won't even need a dedicated patch or "Scorpio" mode to profit from better hardware. I think this has to be the way going forward.
 
tapedeck said:
There's not a chance in Hell they touch $599, straight death sentence...that price is an Internet meme.

Probably $449-$499.. by fall 2017 who knows, might even be $399 if they don't mind taking a bigger loss.
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So what is up with that quote? They could've said no comment at this time or something.... or that it would be competitively priced.
 
It would be quite the miracle if this thing won't cost you upwards of 599$, if the claim is that this will be able to render games in actual 4k resolution...
 
To me, the reason consoles do so well is on large part that a 300-400 dollar box (and cheaper abput two years in, so less than 300 for a very large part of the userbase) plays all the latest games. I am not expecting these updated models to turn the tables of the console competition to be honest. Thus far, it seems to me the Scorpio is set to be priced and treated as a premium product, which makes me believe it won't be at the mass market sweet spot as of now.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out on the long term. I do think there is an inbetween market (PC-console) MS can cater to for sure, I have no idea how big it is though.
 
Harmen said:
To me, the reason consoles do so well is on large part that a 300-400 dollar box (and cheaper abput two years in, so less than 300 for a very large part of the userbase) plays all the latest games. I am not expecting these updated models to turn the tables of the console competition to be honest. Thus far, it seems to me the Scorpio is set to be priced and treated as a premium product, which makes me believe it won't be at the mass market sweet spot as of now.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out on the long term. I do think there is an inbetween market (PC-console) MS can cater to for sure, I have no idea how big it is though.
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Yeah, those are basically my thoughts. Generally speaking, consoles with a high price tag have performed quite badly (3DO, Neo Geo, PS3 relatively speaking when it came out...). The Neo/Scorpio seemed like they will be targeted at the high end of the market given their focus on 4K resolution at a time when most people don't even own 4K TVs. The question will be how that affects the lower end of the market. My guess is those new consoles will have a relatively niche userbase.
 
c0de said:
You are free to disagree but it is what it is. MS is doing their thing, Sony is doing their thing and we don't know what Nintendo will do.
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This is how I called it a few weeks ago. MS and Sony have taken the left fork, Nintendo the right, just MS and Sony are going to walk on opposite sides of the road now...

Console war has gone cold.

I should be a poet or something
 
More from Videogamer, MS thought about releasing an improved console (Neo?) this year but decided against it.

Microsoft considered releasing a new, more powerful Xbox this year, head of Xbox Phil Spencer has revealed, but decided against it to focus on releasing a "true 4K console" in 2017 instead.

"We could have done a new update this year," Spencer told Eurogamer. "We actually looked at it. We went all the way to, we had the spec in front of us, should we ship something that's less than Scorpio this year, but in truth you can't do a true 4K console this year."

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Releasing an upgraded console in 2016 would have resulted in something "kind of weird in the middle" between 1080p and 4K, Spencer says.

"And I just didn't think anything between what is effectively a 1080p console and the 4K console, like, from a consumer television standpoint there's nothing in the middle," he adds. "So let's go focus on 4K and next year was the right year to do that."
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http://www.videogamer.com/news/microsoft_considered_releasing_a_more_powerful_xbox_this_year.html
 
It's kinda strange that people take some mixed messages or misspoken is something like 2013 DRM again.

I mean you know, the reason why mass market react to 2013's DRM shit so much is because they release a official statement in their official site and every medias quote it, it's very clear message that make people hate the idea, nothing is mixed.

Now for these mixed messages, at worst it will be average player A&B getting different quote then make them confusing, but then they will forget everything about, maybe even forget Scorpio itself because...this console not even coming out til 2017 holiday lol, it's still 1.5 years away, MS can simply make a official statement in official site like 2013-of course this time they have to make a statement that average player won't hate it like 2013's DRM shit.
 
Maximilian Kolbe said:
Yeah and then MS release new Xbox in 2019 with 12 terflops, because Sony release a new console in 2 years after Neo, so why can't MS do the same?
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Well thats exactly what I'm getting at. So how does it play out?

How quickly do they iterate?

It's looking less likely that power becomes any advantage because they could leap frog each other constantly.

I think they'll settle into their own grooves and concentrate on their own ecosystems. For me it actually differentiates the two and makes me more likely to own both.
 
farmerboy said:
Well thats exactly what I'm getting at. So how does it play out?

How quickly do they iterate?

It's looking less likely that power becomes any advantage because they could leap frog each other constantly.

I think they'll settle into their own grooves and concentrate on their own ecosystems. For me it actually differentiates the two and makes me more likely to own both.
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I would say release new one in every 3 years is better cast, and then the console you pick will have 6 years life cycle.
 
Maximilian Kolbe said:
Well i can see max frame will be same, but also will be more steady, say game X running on XB1 30fps max with sometimes dropped to 20-25fps, Scorpio will be 30fps locked unless it can't handle it.
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It's basically what mobile is doing. Play kotor on your 5S, vs. iPad3.

Or hell, Halo Spartan Strike on Lumia 950 and something like Surface Book. No graphic tweaks.

It is likely that debs will make Xbone games perform complete shit to target Scorpio, but if MS forces them to go for 4K native (which is so dumb!) then we have a problem.
 
Cobalt Izuna said:
It's basically what mobile is doing. Play kotor on your 5S, vs. iPad3.

Or hell, Halo Spartan Strike on Lumia 950 and something like Surface Book. No graphic tweaks.

It is likely that debs will make Xbone games perform complete shit to target Scorpio, but if MS forces them to go for 4K native (which is so dumb!) then we have a problem.
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I don't see they have power to force developers go native 4k, it's not like every developers are small, developers that under big companies(like EA's DICE) won't listen to them.

What Phil said today is just he think it will be waste if players that buy Scorpio don't have 4k TV.
 
Bits N Pieces said:
More from Videogamer, MS thought about releasing an improved console (Neo?) this year but decided against it.



http://www.videogamer.com/news/microsoft_considered_releasing_a_more_powerful_xbox_this_year.html
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I think these words are going to bite MS in the ass. I always agreed that Polaris specs could do 4k at medium settings, but always thought we would get many games upscaled from lower resolutions like 1920 x 2160, 2640 x 2160, 3380 *2160 etc...and many other resolutions in between.

I'm not sure if 6TF of GPU power is enough to do (TRUE 4K) consistently on all cutting edge titles in late 2017, so if most of Scorpio's games are upscaled at launch, there will be a lot of crow and backpedalling on this. I'm thinking that MS would try to avoid a repeat of this, but I don't see all their titles being 4k native with 6TF.
 
Releasing an upgraded console in 2016 would have resulted in something "kind of weird in the middle" between 1080p and 4K, Spencer says.
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This is weird if thinks he'll get all games on 4K native with 6Tflops.
 
thelastword said:
I think these words are going to bite MS in the ass. I always agreed that Polaris specs could do 4k at medium settings, but always thought we would get many games upscaled from lower resolutions like 1920 x 2160, 2640 x 2160, 3380 *2160 etc...and many other resolutions in between.

I'm not sure if 6TF of GPU power is enough to do (TRUE 4K) consistently on all cutting edge titles in late 2017, so if most of Scorpio's games are upscaled at launch, there will be a lot of crow and backpedalling on this. I'm thinking that MS would try to avoid a repeat of this, but I don't see all their titles being 4k native with 6TF.
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well it should be capable of doing nearly twice what sony PS4 can at 4K. Comparing it to PC is a waste of time as it's easier to get performance out of a console then it is a PC.
 
oldergamer said:
well it should be capable of doing nearly twice what sony PS4 can at 4K. Comparing it to PC is a waste of time as it's easier to get performance out of a console then it is a PC.
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Just going on the TF divide? you are in for a rude awakening if you think that. The Scorpio GPU at 1.8 TF more is not going to do twice what a 4.2TF GPU can do, that's not how it works. I really hope you're not expecting 60fps at 4k for Scorpio and 30fps for the NEO.
 
I think some of you guys are not realizing that the Scorpio will be their console equivalent of the Elite Controller, they are aiming the people who paid $150 ($200 for the Gears one) for a controller.

It's going to be expensive.
 
So after all these years, we finally discovered what that secret sauce really was. It was Scorpio, which was still in its embryonic stage, at the time.

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tapedeck said:
Yeah no.

Calling it 'Xbox One' anything is pretty much the worst idea ever and I'm sure MS knows it. They want it seen as a massive step up in power, and perceived as a new generation no matter what they say in 2016 while still trying to sell Xbones.

My guess is just 'Xbox' or maybe they try and get fancy..Xbox Novus, Xbox Ω, Xbox Elite, etc.
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They reiterated several time in the conference that Scorpio was part of the "Xbox One family".

So I think XBO is here to stay
 
El_Chino said:
Can we realistically expect the successor to this in 2021 then?
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Possibly a little sooner, depending on what Sony does and what the tech does. 14nm is brand new and it'll take time for it to become a cheap arable of making big chips. Then you have HBM coming along to increase memory bandwidth (and decrease board costs if you need less ram chips and interconnects). I think the ideal point for a Scorpio follow up would be when 14nm is fully mature and you can do a big 500sqmm APU with zen and a nice GPU increase.
 
What if they say it'll be higher than 6TF when they get closer to release?

I'd be laughing if they say its 7.7+ or something. I wouldn't be surprised either tbh. Seems like a good amount of people are saying 6TF is not nearly enough to have native 4k gaming.
 
Samurai G0SU said:
What if they say it'll be higher than 6TF when they get closer to release?

I'd be laughing if they say its 7.7+ or something. I wouldn't be surprised either tbh. Seems like a good amount of people are saying 6TF is not nearly enough to have native 4k gaming.
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If there's an increase I don't think it will be much higher than just over 6.5, but if they do manage to pull off something like 7.7 then I'll take my popcorn out and enjoy the chaos on GAF.
 
Samurai G0SU said:
What if they say it'll be higher than 6TF when they get closer to release?

I'd be laughing if they say its 7.7+ or something. I wouldn't be surprised either tbh. Seems like a good amount of people are saying 6TF is not nearly enough to have native 4k gaming.
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It will be 6TF and it will have 4k native titles. They explicitly said they directly asked devs making 4k PC games currently or ones already on the market what is needed to get to that target and the devs made the benchmark 6TF. I would caution folks from getting caught up in the cynical murmurs of PC-only gamers here. Once upon a time before the consoles launched many of the same sorts of folks were certain that the X1/PS4 would be too weak to get anywhere near the visuals and performance we see them do routinely in AAA games.

They aren't going to focus their marketing on native 4k whilst not having plenty of 4k native titles. It's likely that any game released prior to Scorpio's launch using res scaling will automatically run at 4k native. Gears, for instance, is already confirmed to be doing this and someone else mentioned Halo as another example. MS will be hammering Sony on the 'high end VR' and 'native 4k gaming' aspects within their marketing. Those are the most important distinctions over Neo for MS it seems.
 
Samurai G0SU said:
What if they say it'll be higher than 6TF when they get closer to release?

I'd be laughing if they say its 7.7+ or something. I wouldn't be surprised either tbh. Seems like a good amount of people are saying 6TF is not nearly enough to have native 4k gaming.
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Highly doubt they'll increase it that much. They'll want to be conservative so that the jump from Scorpio to Libra is more impressive.
 
thelastword said:
Just going on the TF divide? you are in for a rude awakening if you think that. The Scorpio GPU at 1.8 TF more is not going to do twice what a 4.2TF GPU can do, that's not how it works. I really hope you're not expecting 60fps at 4k for Scorpio and 30fps for the NEO.
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What a difference an iterative console makes! I remember a .51 TF difference being the Holy City until only recently.
 
I hope it's as powerful as they say. I have several reasons why I game on pc, but demanding 1080/60fps at high settings is my biggest reason. If a console is outputting that and has the support from AAA-titles, I would consider moving back to console gaming (preferably with PS).
So I hope they really make a console without compromises and make it not as cheap as possible, I would pay 1000 euro for a really high end console.

I don't believe 4K gaming for a second, my 980ti can't play almost any recent AAA game at 4K/60 fps at high settings. Or they should mean 4K/30fps, but then what's the point? I would rather have 1080p/60fps as the standard and just maximize the graphics. Imagine a Halo developed with the Scorpio in mind...
 
Proelite said:
Highly doubt they'll increase it that much. They'll want to be conservative so that the jump from Scorpio to Libra is more impressive.
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That and the more cutting edge the components they use causes the price to increase proportionally.
A overclocked 480 late next year will be much more affordable than it would be if it was to be released today.
 
c0de said:
Read his comments in df threads. Then imagine what will happen if an MS console gets the better version.
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Despite the difference being larger than X1 to PS4, which represents a 40% difference vs Neo to Scorpio which is 45%, what most are missing is that if the CPU in Scorpio is indeed using Zen, then it won't be just a GPU advantage as is with the PS4. Having a significantly more powerful CPU can make a big difference, much more than the 45% difference in GPU power would have you believe. So yea, we could have a bigger difference than what we see today with X1 vs PS4, and not just visual fidelity, but AI and physics.
 
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