HeisenbergFX4
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Sales numbers means shit when you cant find anything to buy
SMHsony finalized hardware before MS so had extra time to make systems before pandemic problems hit the supply chain.
You could walk into any store and buy an XB1 just 2 months after launch.
I still can't find an XSX anywhere.
Biiig difference...
Fastest selling Home console* ever. The article makes that clear distinction. It's very clear Sony was in a better position manufacturing wise, even Phil admitted Series manufacturing started late as they were waiting on AMD. On top of that it seems MS is not interested in pushing *leading volume sales* in terms of HW, instead diversifying its consumer base by adding android, iOS, PC and Smart TV customers to their ecosystem. MS and Sony are playing 2 different games within the same industry.EDIT Also according to the article Sony said PS5 sold 4.5mil PS5's in the same timeframe, making it the fastest selling console ever.
Also a difference in how they released the system. Releasing in more regions at once must have hurt the NA launch allotment.From the info we have, it's safe to assume it's accurate. From NPD leaks, we know it's behind the XBO in NA, which is Xbox's #1 region. While the XBO sold poorly in Japan, the XSX is still way behind it there. Not hard to imagine the same in other regions.
And you cant just chalk it up to shortages, because Sony seems to be keeping about on pace with the PS4 with them. So, either manufacturers are putting MS lower on the priority list, or MS is just getting a lot fewer chips because they went wide and slow, or there is less demand for the XSX. My guess is it is a little of all three.
Doesn't mean it's selling more than the X1 though.
I mean.. so if the demand is lower but they are still dedicating production capacity on a console that ends up sitting on shelves instead of on the x that still paints Microsoft as pretty stupid, no? Also you are making more than a few assumptions. Just because they can theatrically ship far more series s consoles, do you have any indication they are? Any pictures of pallets with double the series s to x ratio? We know, wherever numbers are available, that the x is blowing the s out the water in sales.hahaha, I have enough education to know that the series s die size is around two thirds of that of the ps5 so for every two ps5 chips ms can manufacture three series s. It’s also using 10gb of slower memory and only a 512gb m.2.
basically ms can more efficiently manufacture the series s and it’s cheaper to ship, so for every pallet full of series s they ship it will hold roughly twice as many as the ps5 and series x due to the packaging size.
basically they can ship more of them and manufacture more in the current challenging climate.
yes the demand for the series s isn’t as high as series x and ps5 but it’s targeting a completely different customer and I genuinely think it will do extremely well at xmas time etc.
also, from your attitude it Seems like the only failure is how your parents raised you. Be humble and respect others Is a much better way to live.
it is true, but clearly the overall demand is not the same and the dynamic is more positive.
Depends on the company's disclosure policies. Nintendo put out their Wii U numbers for example.Can you name a time when a company puts out numbers that make them look bad and doesn't benefit them in any way? "I just want to announce we have be completely outsold by our competitors! We totally suck guys!!"
no, xbox didnt begin production till way later the playstation, so they will always have less consoles to sell at the same point, until they get to a point where supply starts equaling demand.And you cant just chalk it up to shortages, because Sony seems to be keeping about on pace with the PS4 with them. So, either manufacturers are putting MS lower on the priority list, or MS is just getting a lot fewer chips because they went wide and slow, or there is less demand for the XSX. My guess is it is a little of all three.
no, xbox didnt begin production till way later the playstation, so they will always have less consoles to sell at the same point, until they get to a point where supply starts equaling demand.
this is like the simplest math that some fanboys dont want to do because it doesnt fit their narrative.
I'm not putting much stock in any sales numbers yet because I've not seen a next gen console that was easily obtainable from going to a store (in person or online). But I am starting to wonder why MS hasn't been flooding the market with consoles yet. They may have started a little later, but every other day it seems there's a story or rumor about billion dollar deals from them. Why no billions spent to make consoles more available is a fair question imo.
MS doesn't put out numbers on how many Surface tables they sell or any other devices do they or is Xbox the only thing they don't give specific sales numbers of?Depends on the company's disclosure policies. Nintendo put out their Wii U numbers for example.
I don't think Microsoft has to disclose those number since gaming is such a small part of our business. Though I haven't read their financial reports in detail so I'm not sure what numbers they do disclosure.MS doesn't put out numbers on how many Surface tables they sell or any other devices do they or is Xbox the only thing they don't give specific sales numbers of?
Hardware sales are not the only battle imo. It's games, overall value and the total customer experience.
It’s a god question, do companies like apple, Samsung, Microsoft share ho many tablets or phones they sell Etc?
Companies will focus on their strengths. Sony lives and dies by console units sold so they will focus on that. MS cares more about services so they'll focus on that. MS stopped playing Sony's game when they focused on back compat, Game pass, and play anywhere initiatives. When you aren't winning you have to change your strategy.I don't think Microsoft has to disclose those number since gaming is such a small part of our business. Though I haven't read their financial reports in detail so I'm not sure what numbers they do disclosure.
You don't have to report those things, the only requirements are that you report financial figures on a quarterly and annual basis. However if hardware is a major part of your business and you don't give breakdowns then it raises suspicions since the only reason to hide those figures is because they are not so favourable. Microsoft can get away with it without it negatively affecting their share price because Xbox hardware is a small part of their overall business.
However if the likes of Sony, Nintendo, Samsung etc suddenly stopped reporting hardware sales figures then it would need to be offset with some chunky numbers elsewhere or it would cause their share price to tank in the short term.
As an example Apple did exactly that in 2018 and it resulted in a 20% drop in their share price for the quarter:
Apple will no longer report iPhone numbers after growth went to 0%, and analysts are now worried iPhone sales may decline
If Apple is worried the iPhone is entering a decline, then not reporting numbers helps it avoid that negative PR.www.businessinsider.com
I'm sure the Xbone manufactured a lot more in that timeframe as well.A few things:
1- Production for Series consoles started later.
2- Microsoft is using chips not just for consoles but also for upgrading its XCloud blades from XBO to Scarlett. Which has limited the amount of consoles being produced thus far.
A few things:
1- Production for Series consoles started later.
2- Microsoft is using chips not just for consoles but also for upgrading its XCloud blades from XBO to Scarlett. Which has limited the amount of consoles being produced thus far.
Not that much later. Manufacturing date difference is barely a month
the SoC reserves are exactly because of the reason xbox started production later. sony is gonna produce more consoles because of the head start. (xbox started late summer, ps early summer, more like few months not few weeks)It started like three weeks after and we already know that late last year AMD increased number of wafers allocated to console SOCs, and the numbers are telling, twice the amount reserved for PS5 in comparison to Series.
You understand what this means?
If they can yes. In certain circumstances companies are under obligations to report material numbers to shareholders and they have to do that even if the number are bad.Companies will focus on their strengths. Sony lives and dies by console units sold so they will focus on that. MS cares more about services so they'll focus on that. MS stopped playing Sony's game when they focused on back compat, Game pass, and play anywhere initiatives. When you aren't winning you have to change your strategy.
Wouldnt really call Series S impossible to come by, I could pick one up tomorrow if i wanted tothe SoC reserves are exactly because of the reason xbox started production later. sony is gonna produce more consoles because of the head start. (xbox started late summer, ps early summer, more like few months not few weeks)
(also dont forget the series S has a smaller die, so they could make more of them with the same size wafer).
its hilarious people trying to paint a different narrative when xbox series consoles are also impossible to come by.
people trying to make conclusions this early have an insecurity of the product they bought.
Assuming that's true it would only affect sales at launch. It appears that Sony is just able to make more playstations than Microsoft can make Series consoles.
I agree that it's difficult to gauge demand when the systems constantly sell out but I think it's pretty obvious that supply is higher on Sonys side.
Which is true. There is a clear evidence that Sony ordered double the chips comparing to Xbox. June is the earliest for PS5, July for Xbox. Statement "MS waited for full RDNA 2" crap is just poor excuse why Xbox Series are behind PS5 in sales already
yea i can pick one up too if i live in a small market.Wouldnt really call Series S impossible to come by, I could pick one up tomorrow if i wanted to
Edit: I realized I can also buy a 2nd hand Series X at retail price as well. PS5s are still north of 200 dollars more even buying it 2nd hand here in Sweden
You'd think that if someone wanted to show how much of a failure the XSS is they'd mention the sales in the largest market the world. Can I go to my local retailer in the US and buy one today?yea i can pick one up too if i live in a small market.
you know exactly what im talking about but playing stupid
Where can I buy an S in the states? I've been looking and sold out everywhereYou know the Series S is a failure when people are conveniently excluding the Series S from the discussion to fit their narrative that both consoles are sold out everywhere.
Even Microsoft and its fanboys are ignoring it.
AFAIK the UK is as important to Xbox, or just behind the US in their target markets - especially as certification for games is done here, or it certainly used to. And buying a XsS in the UK is possible, and has been possible throughout the launch IIRC.You'd think that if someone wanted to show how much of a failure the XSS is they'd mention the sales in the largest market the world. Can I go to my local retailer in the US and buy one today?
Gosh this wafers and chips talk.
I get the potato connection now.
Anyways on topic, how many chips you get per wafer?
Seems like Xbox is even more supply constraint than PS5.
AFAIK the UK is as important to Xbox, or just behind the US in their target markets - especially as certification for games is done here, or it certainly used to. And buying a XsS in the UK is possible, and has been possible throughout the launch IIRC.
The data from various sources(tweets) in the thread - in the first two or three pages - suggests that they've sold a maximum of 2.4m between X and S - to match X1 - yet 3.5M console were manufactured. Assuming it was half and half for manufacturer numbers(as I said earlier in the thread), that leaves 1.1M XsS unsold, and probably most of them in Microsoft warehouses, because retail haven't bought them - through fear of having stock they can't shift, because sale-or-return is unlikely to be offered by Microsoft. So the reason it isn't available to buy in the US is because retailers don't see enough demand to take on that risk - for a box that is only considered next-gen because Xbox say it is, when in reality it is trading face-off blows with a last-gen Pro or X1X IMHO.
I'm sure the Xbone manufactured a lot more in that timeframe as well.
Close the thread.Microsoft "doesn't care about Xbox sales" so you shouldn't too.
This is literally preposterous and I don’t know how you can say this when you clearly don’t own a Series S. Why spout this BS on an enthusiast forum?AFAIK the UK is as important to Xbox, or just behind the US in their target markets - especially as certification for games is done here, or it certainly used to. And buying a XsS in the UK is possible, and has been possible throughout the launch IIRC.
The data from various sources(tweets) in the thread - in the first two or three pages - suggests that they've sold a maximum of 2.4m between X and S - to match X1 - yet 3.5M console were manufactured. Assuming it was half and half for manufacturer numbers(as I said earlier in the thread), that leaves 1.1M XsS unsold, and probably most of them in Microsoft warehouses, because retail haven't bought them - through fear of having stock they can't shift, because sale-or-return is unlikely to be offered by Microsoft. So the reason it isn't available to buy in the US is because retailers don't see enough demand to take on that risk - for a box that is only considered next-gen because Xbox say it is, when in reality it is trading face-off blows with a last-gen Pro or X1X IMHO.
Microsoft used to divulge hardware sales and Xbox division profits. Then they stopped.I don't think Microsoft has to disclose those number since gaming is such a small part of our business. Though I haven't read their financial reports in detail so I'm not sure what numbers they do disclosure.
Really? Because you stuck around Xbox during this gen, so I don’t see how any of that matters to somebody like you.