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[DaGwaphics]

@EDMIX for the most part there are two groups of people, those that play on console and those that play on PC. You'll have some overlap on the PS side, with users that get a PS5 just for the exclusives (but those aren't necessarily the best customers in terms of profitability). If a console player wants to play MS games they'll get an Xbox.

Where the PS5 has a bit of an advantage is with buyers that are deciding between getting lower-end GPU and a console. They may opt for a PS5 (to get those exclusives) and get completely locked into Sony, where the user that likes MS games may choose the PC and have a lot of options in regards to stores, etc.

The idea that most console gamers only play on console because of exclusives, otherwise they'd use their killer gaming PC has always been a funny one.

 

[DaGwaphics]

That’s garbage. Vast majority of devs don’t get to “preserve” their vision. Look at all the downgrades we saw last gen, several Ubisoft games, uncharted 4, crack down 3, and forza Motorsport 5 . Look up cut content for some of your favorite games. Horizon zero dawn had to cut flyable mounts because the ps4 couldn’t handle it. Destiny had to gimp its scale and gameplay due to being on the 360 and ps3.

It’s a nice world to live in where developers get to make the most of every situation but the reality is they don’t.

Can you say without a doubt which ones didn't "get the most out of the situation"? When you think about the actual hardware in play, I'm amazed at what the X1 VCR was able to pull off. I guess we just have a different perspective on it. I never said that ideas never got cut, I said devs have historically been willing to put in the effort needed to make something work if it was at all possible.

 

[Three]

You could walk into any store and buy an XB1 just 2 months after launch.
I still can't find an XSX anywhere.
Biiig difference...

It's almost as if there is a supply issue wirh electronics in the world. That's the big difference. Sales wise it is actually lower.

 

[Renozokii]

Can you say without a doubt which ones didn't "get the most out of the situation"? When you think about the actual hardware in play, I'm amazed at what the X1 VCR was able to pull off. I guess we just have a different perspective on it. I never said that ideas never got cut, I said devs have historically been willing to put in the effort needed to make something work if it was at all possible.

But theoretically the effort you see out in that resulted in something maybe pales in comparison to what was originally planned or what could have been done with more time. With another year of dev time dedicated purely to optimization uncharted 4 may have ran at 60 FPS on the base ps4. Doesn’t make that realistic.

 

[Daniel Thomas MacInnes]

4.5m is shipped... it is impossible to sell what you are shipping... PS4 shipped 4.5m and sold 4.2m... about the same for PS5... and both were sold out at launch.

Xbox One shipped 3.3m and sold 2.9m.... that means Series shipped less... 3.2m and sold 2.8m.

PS4/PS5 numbers come from Sony.
Xbox One number 3.3m shipped come from MS... the others are the estimates from the article.

BTW it is related to end of the year.

Those numbers are very impressive, regardless of who's ahead or behind. It took the Sega Genesis two full years to sell one million hardware units in the USA. No doubt the COVID pandemic has severely disrupted the supply chain, and that's going to continue for much of this year and probably the next. I would have to assume the numbers would be a lot higher if there were more consoles to sell. If Xbox had shipped the same numbers as PS5, the sales between the two would probably be even. But famous videogame wars have been lost over this very issue (it definitely crippled Atari with Lynx and Jaguar).

I wonder if Microsoft is suffering from the branding issue over Xbox Series S/X. Even for me, it's needlessly confusing and I could easily see how the average consumer would feel completely lost between the new Xbox and the multiple variations of the previous generation. Why they couldn't simply call this "Xbox 4" is beyond me. At least Sony understands proper branding. But that's MS for you. They've been that way since the very beginning.

 

[Renozokii]

Those numbers are very impressive, regardless of who's ahead or behind. It took the Sega Genesis two full years to sell one million hardware units in the USA. No doubt the COVID pandemic has severely disrupted the supply chain, and that's going to continue for much of this year and probably the next. I would have to assume the numbers would be a lot higher if there were more consoles to sell. If Xbox had shipped the same numbers as PS5, the sales between the two would probably be even. But famous videogame wars have been lost over this very issue (it definitely crippled Atari with Lynx and Jaguar).

I wonder if Microsoft is suffering from the branding issue over Xbox Series S/X. Even for me, it's needlessly confusing and I could easily see how the average consumer would feel completely lost between the new Xbox and the multiple variations of the previous generation. Why they couldn't simply call this "Xbox 4" is beyond me. At least Sony understands proper branding. But that's MS for you. They've been that way since the very beginning.

A buddy and I like to talk about games. We are both relatively knowledgeable. But we’ll still catch ourselves in the middle of a conversation talking about the series x calling it the one x. Xbox one, Xbox one s, Xbox one x, Xbox one s all digital edition, xbox series x, Xbox series s. It borders on parody. Yea Phil inherited the one and didn’t choose the name, but he didn’t fix the problem either.

 

[sendit]

2.8mil Series consoles vs 2.9mil XB1 in the same timeframe. Ok i got that.
Still the article says its down to shortages, and still its pure admitted speculation on the guys part.
Thanks for the article.

EDIT Also according to the article Sony said PS5 sold 4.5mil PS5's in the same timeframe, making it the fastest selling console ever.
So 2.8mil Series consoles vs 4.5mil of the fastest selling console ever.
Its hadly a disaster, especially with the shortages.

You have an Xbox and enjoy the content Microsoft brings to the table. Why do these numbers matter so much to you?

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

No proof. None at all.
PS3 era living rent free.

You're correct sir. You've got no proof. None at all. No need to rent when you can own.

 

[FrankWza]

No need to rent when you can own.

So now gamepass isn’t good anymore? Make up your mind.

 

[DaGwaphics]

@ FrankWza , well played sir, well played.

 

[longdi]

I cant find Series X in stocks, as with PS5.

Until the semicon shortages clear, we can only sell as much as we can make.

Next thing to go out of stocks are screens and monitors.....better grab that cell phones, uwqhd lcd or hdtv fast!

Totally non-issue

 

[Zeroing]

The console is targeted at casuals.

So the S is “the” next gen and the X is the pro version? Or they will release a pro version thus making 3 consoles ?

sounds complicated to develop a game like that...

 

[Stuart360]

Well...that is to be expected though. XONE launched with REAL exclusives by MS, later that gen MS basically stopped making those and continued to support BOTH XB and PC, thus the sales continued to slow down.

Its not really that big of a shock that many might not return to XB if MS is just putting all their games on PC too. If I owned XONE last gen, I'd probably do the same the next generation.

Someone buying a XONE for exclusives and then not buying the next XB cause they are all going to PC really isn't a shocking thing, but an expected thing. No different then when you saw Splinter Cell a timed exclusive and then the series sell more on PS over time or even Mass Effect. It will be less as the people who bought those titles early on, did so with an ASSUMPTION it would only be on 1 system, ohhhh its not? It will be on many systems? Oh...so I don't need to buy the next XB to play this then? bye

That is how that goes.

Mass Effect: Andromeda Sells an Estimated 1.03M Units First Week in the West at Retail

The action RPG from Electronic Arts and BioWare - Mass Effect: Andromeda - sold 1,031,628 units first week in the west at [...]

www.vgchartz.com

So Series X selling less then XONE, and MS selling more software isn't out of question or something. I believe that is likely going to happen as I'm still just going to play those titles on PC, especially the Bethesda titles as I already play them on PC, BUT if I owned a XB to play them last gen and lets say they ONLY appeared on XB, of course I'd just keep my PC. You are telling me you will put it on PC, thus I can just fucking keep that and my PS5. Why would I buy another system to play game I can already play on a platform I already own? So we should expect many who bought XBONE, to keep their PC's this time around. MS has made it really clear that they are supporting that platform fully so many might not return to XB based on this.

So EDMIX in your opinion, its nothing to do with shortages, and is soley down to Xbox games releasing on PC, even though its been that way for 5 years now?. And in turn that would mean that you expect the Series consoles to sell less than the 50mil XB1 did?.

 

[welshrat]

Console warring. Which, as a grown man I don’t understand. Back in the day when you’re a kid with limited funds you bash the other side because your folks said it was either a SNES or Genesis. To see a grown ass man console warring.... fucking pathetic.

So So true, I just don't understand it either. At my age time is a premium with all the other responsibilities of kids, work etc etc. Do any of these people actually play games, I game on PS5 and a very decent PC and honestly think its the best gaming fun I have had in decades (self confessed graphics whore). I am sure a very similar experience is available on XSX. Just weird people I guess ....

 

[Alright]

Do you know why there isn't many Xbox Series X consoles being made?

Because Microsoft never planned to sell many Series X consoles

Because the series X timeline was brought forward 18 months.

 

[Optimus Lime]

@EDMIX for the most part there are two groups of people, those that play on console and those that play on PC. You'll have some overlap on the PS side, with users that get a PS5 just for the exclusives (but those aren't necessarily the best customers in terms of profitability). If a console player wants to play MS games they'll get an Xbox.

This is the absolute definition of tales from my ass. You have absolutely zero idea of how those demographics overlap, and the idea that they are predominately siloed is nonsense. The world isn't internet forums, kiddo.

 

[DaGwaphics]

This is the absolute definition of tales from my ass. You have absolutely zero idea of how those demographics overlap, and the idea that they are predominately siloed is nonsense. The world isn't internet forums, kiddo.

You're right, there are tons of people with 3090s that choose to play third-parties on PS4 just because. My bad.

 

[Optimus Lime]

You're right, there are tons of people with 3090s that choose to play third-parties on PS4 just because. My bad.

Your 'bad' is making claims that you can't prove. You have no idea what people are doing. How do you know that there aren't people, in significant numbers, who own 3090s, but also own a PS4 to play online games with their friends? To play multiplayer with their kids? The idea that upon the purchase of a gaming PC, all console gaming suddenly ceases is pure internet forum delusion.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Your 'bad' is making claims that you can't prove. You have no idea what people are doing. How do you know that there aren't people, in significant numbers, who own 3090s, but also own a PS4 to play online games with their friends? To play multiplayer with their kids? The idea that upon the purchase of a gaming PC, all console gaming suddenly ceases is pure internet forum delusion.

Never claimed any specifics my man. But if I'm spending $1k - $2k on a gaming machine, I sure as hell plan to use that for my day to day gaming over a significantly less powerful console. And, if I've opted to go with a console for the ease of use and the price (which I do), I don't have a computer strong enough to play diddley squat anyway. Many, many, many, many people that choose console do it for the price and the ease of just buying the box and not thinking about the hardware for 3 or 4 years. Those folks could care less if the games are on PC or not. The majority of PCs sold today are just laptops with iGPUs, and that's factual, these folks aren't playing too much locally on those machines.

 

[Optimus Lime]

Never claimed any specifics my man. But if I'm spending $1k - $2k on a gaming machine, I sure as hell plan to use that for my day to day gaming over a significantly less powerful console. And, if I've opted to go with a console for the ease of use and the price (which I do), I don't have a computer strong enough to play diddley squat anyway. Many, many, many, many people that choose console do it for the price and the ease of just buying the box and not thinking about the hardware for 3 or 4 years. Those folks could care less if the games are on PC or not. The majority of PCs sold today are just laptops with iGPUs, and that's factual, these folks aren't playing too much locally on those machines.

Yep. That's what you'd do. Your mistake was making claims about what other people do. You made claims about 'for the most part, there are two groups of people'. You pulled that out of your ass. You're talking about you. Which is fine, but don't pretend to have some kind of insights into consumer spending. You don't, 'my man'.

 

[DarkMage619]

So the S is “the” next gen and the X is the pro version? Or they will release a pro version thus making 3 consoles ?

sounds complicated to develop a game like that...

The XSS is for causal gamers and the XSX is for enthusiasts. Not everyone wants the highest end device as evidenced in the PC space where Nvidia makes more than 3090 video cards. The existence of both 3060 and 3090 doesn't inhibit game development and neither will having both the XSS and XSX.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Yep. That's what you'd do. Your mistake was making claims about what other people do. You made claims about 'for the most part, there are two groups of people'. You pulled that out of your ass. You're talking about you. Which is fine, but don't pretend to have some kind of insights into consumer spending. You don't, 'my man'.

You could say a knife could be used to stab one's self in the eye. I'd say "most people wouldn't do that" so I guess I do have a tendency to project my views onto other groups I feel would think similarly to myself.

 

[Optimus Lime]

You could say a knife could be used to stab one's self in the eye. I'd say "most people wouldn't do that" so I guess I do have a tendency to project my views onto other groups I feel would think similarly to myself.

So, you're comparing the suggestion that a console may have multiple uses cases that are valuable to people who also game on PC's, to stabbing yourself in the eye.

Might be time to turn the computer off and have a cold shower or something. Your brain is overheating and you're spewing nonsense.

 

[DaGwaphics]

So, you're comparing the suggestion that a console may have multiple uses cases that are valuable to people who also game on PC's, to stabbing yourself in the eye.

Might be time to turn the computer off and have a cold shower or something. Your brain is overheating and you're spewing nonsense.

I don't care enough about your opinion to argue about it with you. Nor am I trying to change your point of view. You do you man.

 

[Optimus Lime]

I don't care enough about your opinion to argue about it with you. Nor am I trying to change your point of view. You do you man.

I'm not sure that you understand how 'discussion forums' work. But, sure. And, good luck with the rest of high school. I believe in you.

 

[DaGwaphics]

I'm not sure that you understand how 'discussion forums' work. But, sure. And, good luck with the rest of high school. I believe in you.

For the decades I must have been held back at this point, I'll need it.

 

[Optimus Lime]

For the decades I must have been held back at this point, I'll need it.

Oh, I know. That's obvious.

 

[SLB1904]

I thought TF don't matter?

when people say that is when the difference is small not 6 or 8tf. but you already know that.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Oh, I know. That's obvious.

Every throwaway post should have a gif, that's just good etiquette.

 

[Optimus Lime]

Every throwaway post should have a gif, that's just good etiquette.

You got me there.

 

[Redlancet]

They are selling what they are able to produce. If thy could build more, they would sell more. The current sales discussion is stupid because of this.

you can get the series s easily here,its getting dust on the shelves even with discounts

 

[modiz]

you can get the series s easily here,its getting dust on the shelves even with discounts

Sure.

 

[Elog]

you can get the series s easily here,its getting dust on the shelves even with discounts

Same where I am - seems they overestimated the demand for that console version.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I'm guessing they overshipped series s in Europe and some places because they sell out quite quick in the UK and US it seems. Must just be other places it's struggling to sell through.

 

[DarkMage619]

Same where I am - seems they overestimated the demand for that console version.

Are you in the US? I'd love to find a US retailer showing tons XSS unsold stock. I don't think Europe should be the barometer on the XSS success. Has the Xbox EVER been a huge brand outside of the US and UK? Why not show sales in Japan to prove Xbox has failed universally?

 

[Iced Arcade]

you can get the series s easily here,its getting dust on the shelves even with discounts

Same where I am - seems they overestimated the demand for that console version.

that's awesome for those looking! got a link or name of the said store/areas?


edit: bestbuy canada has Series S units available

 

[dcmk7]

Are you in the US? I'd love to find a US retailer showing tons XSS unsold stock. I don't think Europe should be the barometer on the XSS success. Has the Xbox EVER been a huge brand outside of the US and UK? Why not show sales in Japan to prove Xbox has failed universally?

Since you asked so nicely, last week's sales:

Xbox Series X – 287 (31,045)
Xbox Series S – 284 (9,964)

 

[aries_71]

Lots of speculations, but the simple truth is that in Europe there’s not a single Xbox to be bought at normal pricing.

 

[Zok310]

No, it really didn't.

I suppose if by "in the end", you mean well after the gen was over, and after MS was even manufacturing 360s, then maybe... But even that's iffy.

The real question that should be nailed down, is when does a gen end? Does it end when the next gen begins? When one manufacturer stops production to focus on current gen production? Or does it end when the last console is produced for that gen regardless of manufacturer?

If you aligned the launch the PS3 sold better than XB360 in the same time.
The total sold is larger for 360 because they had a 1 year head start.
In the end I think I remember Sony saying they had parity with 360 sales about a year before the gen was over. To me that means the PS3 would have had to sell at a faster pace than 360 if it caught up to it even with a 1 year head start.

 

[dcmk7]

Lots of speculations, but the simple truth is that in Europe there’s not a single Xbox to be bought at normal pricing.

Except the Xbox site:

https://www.xbox.com/en-gb/configure/942j774tp9jn

And some other stores like Very.

"Not a single one"?

 

[aries_71]

Except the Xbox site:

https://www.xbox.com/en-gb/configure/942j774tp9jn

And some other stores like Very.

"Not a single one"?

Not in my part of Western Europe. Amazon or retail stores don’t have a single one available. Xbox store show no stock.

 

[DarkMage619]

Since you asked so nicely, last week's sales:

Xbox Series X – 287 (31,045)
Xbox Series S – 284 (9,964)

Got the US numbers buddy? What can we conclude about the Xbox from Japanese sales? Maybe no one is buying the XSX too right?

 

[dcmk7]

Got the US numbers buddy? What can we conclude about the Xbox from Japanese sales? Maybe no one is buying the XSX too right?

You were the one who asked for the Japan sales

You're a silly one.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Except the Xbox site:

https://www.xbox.com/en-gb/configure/942j774tp9jn

And some other stores like Very.

"Not a single one"?

Yet Very has sold over 100 in the last 24 hours and is down to low stock. Let's see if it is available there by the weekend. I think the point is that they are selling out when they are available, so it's selling. Yes it's not as in demand as the ps5 or series x but they are selling all the stock within a couple of days. How is that not a success?

 

[dcmk7]

Yet Very has sold over 100 in the last 24 hours and is down to low stock. Let's see if it is available there by the weekend. I think the point is that they are selling out when they are available, so it's selling. Yes it's not as in demand as the ps5 or series x but they are selling all the stock within a couple of days. How is that not a success?

Your question doesn't really have anything to do with the post I quoted.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Your question doesn't really have anything to do with the post I quoted.

Haha I should have read the message you were responding to. Good shout. Looks like some stock landed today at Very and the Microsoft site.

 

[Elog]

Lots of speculations, but the simple truth is that in Europe there’s not a single Xbox to be bought at normal pricing.

Argos in the UK has Series S in stock. No Series X. No PS5.

Webhallen in Sweden has plenty of Series S, No Series X. No PS5.

Elgiganten in Sweden has Series S in every store available. Series X comes in May 4th and is orderable. PS5 cannot even be ordered because of the queue.

Walmart in the US. Series S delivered by April 28th if you order today. Series X out of stock. PS5 out of stock.

This is the pattern all over so not sure why you write what you write.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Walmart in the US. Series S delivered by April 28th if you order today. Series X out of stock. PS5 out of stock.

Link please. I don't see it.

All the systems are occasionally available everywhere or they wouldn't be selling any at all. LOL

Edit: Never mind, it looks like they do have some. Yeah.

 

[Elog]

Screenshot right now...

 

[DarkMage619]

You were the one who asked for the Japan sales

You're a silly one.

The silly one is focusing on sales in small markets to make some larger point about failure of Xbox. MS success is not based on its sales in Luxembourg. When XSS and XSX don't sell in the US, the largest gaming market in the world, MS is in trouble. Of course you've never had a serious point about the Xbox so silly is all you know.