supernova8
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Jeff Grubb is even more annoying in motion than he is in photos
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supernova8
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I get that I'm probably not the right audience if I think this way but........ surely having hands-on previews for a new console and literally only showing old games is like showing a preview of a Ferrari but only having it drive at 20mph on a residential street.
I'm not saying that Sony is miles ahead in terms of games - they only seem to have two next-gen looking games (one of which is apparently cross-gen anyway) - but I just don't understand why people think it's great to show a console running old content.
"Oh look how it runs this old game better than the old console!"
People are excited for that?
With that out of the way, I do like the interface and it's obviously very snappy which is nice.
I'm not saying that Sony is miles ahead in terms of games - they only seem to have two next-gen looking games (one of which is apparently cross-gen anyway) - but I just don't understand why people think it's great to show a console running old content.
"Oh look how it runs this old game better than the old console!"
People are excited for that?
With that out of the way, I do like the interface and it's obviously very snappy which is nice.
Bernkastel
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Do you expect Microsoft will let them to have hands on with something like "The Medium" and "Dirt 5"? Those games are not meant to have a hands on this early. No one will let Jeff Grub or Digital Foundry play games a month before release.
pr0cs
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Are you expecting them to show, play and review launch games 2 months before the console is on shelves?
They are giving reviewers the opportunity to demo and preview the equipment well before launch, they best way to do that is showing the benefits on software everyone is familiar with
supernova8
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You know there's a little thing called 'E3' where companies would bring up demo builds and have them ready for people to play even before release. It's not like the general public has never played a pre-release build before. Besides, if they are launch titles and are meant to be coming out in literally a month or so, surely you'd be worried if they didn't have any demo builds whatsoever.
To be clear, I'm aiming this at Sony as well not just Microsoft. if Miles Morales really is coming out in a month or so there should be a demo build for the press to play even if they cannot actually show it.
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supernova8
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See my response to someone else but companies have (at E3 in the past) had games available to play for the public or press. Nobody is asking them to review the games. It's a preview. We used to have these it was totally normal and yet now it's impossible all of a sudden? Sorry no but that isn't a thing just because it fits the marketing narrative for Xbox and/or Playstation.
Also nobody is suggesting the publishers send games to them. You could have people like DF go to the studios and play the games and be able to capture footage. They would of course say it's a preview build but that's the sort of stuff that really hypes people for a new generation.
Not "hey look at this faster loading screen for this old game!"
Hell, I went to a Nintendo Switch event back in the UK and was able to play Zelda, ARMS, Snipper something, 1-2 Switch pre-release. Obviously we cannot do that due to COVID but to somehow imply that letting people play new games before release is not a thing is just not factually accurate.
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pr0cs
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What makes you think we won't see new software reviews before launch?
supernova8
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Maybe you missed the part where I said "Nobody is asking them REVIEW the games".
You completely glossed over the part of my comment that didn't suit you. I'm telling you that PREVIEWS for next-gen games are a thing and getting a 'preview' 1 or 2 days before launch, when everybody has already had money taken out of their account for the systems is not good enough.
So, at least let's not mix up reviews and previews. They aren't the same.
The thing about this backwards compatibility games working better on a Series X, is that it's a "flex"(fuck that word is retarded) that MS has, and is using right now, it's not the case on the PS5 as that is going to run PS4 games AS IS.
MS is taking this week and this feature to show a valuable feature off that they've worked on and are proud of, the Xbox One X ran some games poorly, I have the Xbox One Base and that runs some games like pure trash, this shafting of the consumer with uncapped framerates has finally paid off for them. If Sony had this feature then they'd be doing the same, I'd hope that the PS4 games at least play with the PS4 Pro profile and QUIETER, this can't be stressed enough if the PS5 sounds like a vacuum cleaner jet engine... then fuck Sony hard, my old Xbox One base is hard to hear when it's on, and even under extreme loads, whereas my PS4 Pro is awful with the aural ergonomics.
If you're talking about what Sony has shown so far, just the Ratchet and Clank game, they've shown the EXACT SAME GAMEPLAY area, this should perhaps bring up a flag for even the most stalwart of the Sony fans.
The quicker Sony gets it's hands-on coverage, the sooner we'll see the power of that faster SSD, especially now that we've seen the power(or possible lack thereof) of the Xbox Series X's, both parties have gambled we'll finally see whose gamble paid off. Sony will have to show off it's PS5 games, as there is little advantage to it's backwards compatibility.
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pasterpl
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I will repeat again, there is an embargo on what they can talk about in this preview, currently it is quick resume and basic bc, I think next 1-2 weeks we will get some Xbox series x enhanced games hands on published, followed by, probably in another 1-2 weeks, with preview of next gen games on series x.
and btw. i have got a massive backlog on my one x so hearing about these improvements with basic bc it is actually exciting feature for me
and btw. i have got a massive backlog on my one x so hearing about these improvements with basic bc it is actually exciting feature for me
they are controlling the story to a degree by only allowing people to talk about back compat games...then there will be another wave of previews talking about another aspect of the console and finally a wave focused on X/S optimized launch games probably...this way people are pretty well informed on each aspect as opposed to trying to answer everything at once..
supernova8
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Yeah sure as I said I'm not really praising Sony. They're just as bad just in a different way.
I do hope you're right in that they will gradually release next-gen game previews. Just hope it isn't too close to launch. Hopefully Sony will show theirs first and it'll (maybe) force Microsoft to show theirs. I'm not really sure how badly PS4 players are dying to play their PS4 games on PS5. If it runs on PS5 with some simple boost mode (a la PS4 Pro) then that's fine for me. I'd rather see what there is new to play.
MrFunSocks
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Because at this stage it doesn't matter. Do you think it won't play the dozen launch next gen games? No? So why does it bother you? The developers of those games will show them when they want. We've seen basically nothing from Sony's first party either.
The PS5 also has a boost mode to improve how a game will run. So this is false
supernova8
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At this stage of course it matters. In previous generations we've had hands-on previews (either at E3 being filmed or behind closed doors) long before launch. Just because neither side has much new to play doesn't erase that from history. Plus, I even said Sony is just as bad so you can lay off with the whataboutery.
I wish they would talk about it, or show off some ps4 games running on ps5.
I agree, but I imagine that will come with a full backwards compatability breakdown in the near future
MatrixReloaded101
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MS is marketing every feature for the Series X up until launch, the gameplay previews for the next gen games will most likely be the last thing we see until launch.
Keep in mind, due to the pandemic, dev teams are under a lot of pressure to pump these games out while social distancing which I am sure is causing delays. Plus, wasting time by creating demos probably isn't the smartest use of resources right now.
MrFunSocks
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What have we seen? A few minutes of gameplay of maybe 3 games. We saw about the same of games running on the series S.
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Only thing we've seen running on an Xbox console was 1.5 minutes of Dirt 5 and a few mins of some crossgen indie game
PS5 has shown RnC twice, Demon's Souls tutorial area, few mins of Miles Morales, few mins of Sackboy, some Returnal gameplay, alongside countless third party games running on the system from their 2 showcases
Try again
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MrFunSocks
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But again - what is the concern here? That the Xbox can't in fact play games?
Help me understand the problem here.
That it is useless to market a next generation console with almost no next generation games. Backwards compatibility is great, but it has become their primary message about what the Xbox Series X is good at. To me it seems like since Halo Infinite has dropped out of the launch, they are marketing just about the only thing the console will be useful for at launch, and that is running backwards compatible games. This is smart from Microsoft's side - play to your strengths. But the weakness is glaringly obvious. And when Sony breaks down their backwards compatibility solution, what then? What is setting the Xbox apart from the PS5 at launch aside from a lack of first party games.
If Microsoft came out first with hands on with next gen games such as The Medium or AC:Valhalla, it would at least help them market this as a true next gen machine
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It's concern the series x can't run nextgen games it's quite touching. When third party games go gold the people with review systems will get to download them to test out. No third party will give out games early to be shit on for crashes or glitches. Not like these people have the same concerns we have not seen a retail PS5 running any games. The development kits can turn off variable clocks.
Game previews and demos exist. In fact CDPR did one just a month or two ago with Cyberpunk 2077
MrFunSocks
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But the developers and publishers of those third party games will show them off when they're ready. It's a non-issue. There's no weakness - their launch titles are 99% the same as the Playstation 5s. They're both underwhelming.
The console will be sold out for weeks, it doesn't need showings of next gen games directly from MS.
Now they are doing 6 day work weeks because they are behind. They also don't have next generation versions ready until just runs in BC mode.
Guess is need to go cancel my AC pre-order then since this guy says it's not a next gen game.
ZywyPL
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1TB NVMe SSD + enclosure is close to 200$ anyway, so IMO not that much better value compared to the expansion card that lets you play the games straight from it. I think MS should drop the price down to 199 if they really want to see the cards being brought, otherwise people will just indeed opt for external drives when it's just a few minutes to copy the games back and forth.
You can get this 1TB 1GB/s USB C SSD for $129 right now but yeah unless you plan to use it for more than gaming you will be better off getting the $200 card from Microsoft that you will be able to play new games off of.
NoMoChokeSJ
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Honestly at this point what does it matter? You can't preorder a new xbox or PS5 anymore, unless you want to fly to Finland apparently. Both consoles are going to play next gen games. Truly if MS really wants to pull early adopters away from the PS5 they need to show the things that will set their console apart. Improved backwards Compatibility is really another feather in the hat for GamePass which is really MS's focus. The biggest thing MS has going for it outside of first party potential is the ability to have access to hundreds of games day one. The first party games will come out but having something to play when you are done with the new games is huge. This is where Sony will suffer IMO, being that the last two generation of Playstations didn't really hit their stride until the late 2nd-3rd year after release.
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ZywyPL
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He's right tho if you think about it - all Sony showed so far is YT videos with "captured from PS5" label, just like they did with that infamous UC4 reveal trailer, but in reality no one has seen the actual console (other than that one recently leaked photo), no one has seen the console actually booting up, no one has seen the actual games loading on the actual console, and so on, it's all just renders and YT vids so far.
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What? I literally say right there:
"hands on with next gen games such as The Medium or AC:Valhalla, it would at least help them market this as a true next gen machine"
Try reading again
The launch titles are the same, EXCEPT for the 6 exclusives the PS5 will have at launch. That's a lot considering there arent that many third-party titles that are gonna be next gen at launch either. And saying "it doesnt need showings of next gen games directly from MS" is exactly the problem with you and other Xbox fans. This wouldnt fly in the build up to any other generation, but now its ok?
I'm saying for now they are marketing BC because they have nothing else to set them apart, and when Sony starts marketing their backwards compatibility, what then? Honestly I believed they could have gotten ahead of the curve by giving reviewers a preview or demo build of The Medium or Scorn, and marketed that as the world first next gen hands on. Would have been much more appealing then a next gen machine built for last gen, as it seemingly appears.
That's literally how every other generation has gone as well?
Hendrick's
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You mean unreleased games? Why would there be this early?
ZywyPL
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Far from it, every gen before the upcoming one had huge shows/expos, where developers were presenting the games live on stage, and with stands where people could try out the new consoles and games months before their launch.
Good point. I was moreso thinking of hands on videos which usually (I think) only come out a couple weeks before launch
prinz_valium
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Ps5 and Series X|S games?
Not they're not out yet and patches are not ready.
JLB
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Jeff Grubb is the best thing that happened to the industry in years lol. Its the dude on videogame steroids.
digoutyoursoul
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Seems alright to me, I'd say he's not up his own arse like some of that circle
NoMoChokeSJ
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I get what you are saying but it doesn't matter because their preorders are sold out at this point. It will make zero difference in sales if MS shows next gen games, same with Sony. With preorders being full they can just stick to their schedules and release information as they seem necessary. After November 10/12 next gen games will be released and the consoles will speak for themselves at that point. Also, it does MS zero good to put out preview builds of game that could months out. They need to show the games when they are ready instead of trying to pander to a group that is probably not going to buy their console and more than likely just looking for ammunition to tear them down. The reality is even is MS showed the 10 most eyedropping games you'd ever seen, the vast majority of early adopters aren't going to change their platform of choice and even if they wanted to there is no stock available.
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Kev Kev
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oh come on that entertainment center is tiny and already has a ton of shit on it. i say get a new entertainment center/tv stand, or better yet, get with 2020 and mount that motherfucker
This is what I've been saying. I can deal with nearly any plausible console width in horizontal mode, it's the height that becomes limiting first. I'm not as convinced as others the X wins on size, it's a very smart design but the tallness would limit me before the PS5's wideness laid flat.
and do some dusting once in a while, god damn...
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Busy counting all the money from the sold out PS5.
Thing is, Microsoft needs to show they are good. Sony doesn't.
splattered
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100% this in pretty much everything you said.
I think the people that aren't excited for BC improvements are players that typically only really play single run single player games or the annual stuff like COD. Kind of explains why Sony fans don't really care as much. They just haven't experienced it on their preferred platform yet so until they do it won't be important to them. Once they buy the PS5 and all their older games get performance and visual enhancements and these fans actually go back and play through good stuff in their library again they will finally understand and appreciate it.
digoutyoursoul
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I get what your saying however I'm a big Xbox fan and do appreciate backwards compatibility, admittedly I do get a little tired of hearing about it on occasion.
It's a nice convenience to have, I just want to see what some of the newer games are going to look like on the console , which , going to into a new systems release year we usually do.
Sony has done this , Ratchet, Demon Souls etc and don't get me wrong I don't think the sun shines out of their arse either, I want to see and read impressions on newer titles in the coming weeks.
It annoys me somewhat Halo Infinite is the only big new release they had planned this launch window.
Phrixotrichus
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pfff we PC gamers have had this forever and ...no. Only a tiny minority of enthusiasts care about replaying and enhancing old games. Newer better shinier is king, as it`s with all other products.
95% of gamers don`t care about BC on any platform, the remaining 5% are on internet boards.....
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LordOfChaos
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Why does everyone think this was mine when only journos have previews lol, it's from the hands on this thread was about
I'm just saying "tall" limits me and most entertainment centers before wide does
You're right but with that logic nobody should be asking for anything. Why would Sony need to show the UI or back compat if everythings already sold out? It's not necessary for their sales but it still makes sense for the consumer to see what they will be getting. Xbox gamers still have no clue how next gen games will run on their console, and although they can find out at launch through everyone who bought one, they should still know beforehand.
NoMoChokeSJ
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Ironic statement since Sony hasn't shown any of that even though the community has been calling for it. And TBH nobody has any idea how well these games will run on either platform because we have yet to see them actually running in a console. Also, it's not that MS shouldn't show games, they should just stick to their schedule and not pander to a vocal base that doesn't really have interest in the platform.
Flintty
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BC enhancements are important to GAAS titles, and many people absolutely will continue to play their old games.
When I upgraded to an RTX card I didn't suddenly stop playing WoW or Destiny 2 on PC. I played them on better settings than I had before and got more enjoyment out of them. The same will apply to the XSX for me.
When I upgraded to an RTX card I didn't suddenly stop playing WoW or Destiny 2 on PC. I played them on better settings than I had before and got more enjoyment out of them. The same will apply to the XSX for me.