Suzushiiro
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Doesn't Australia already do that?
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Xenoblade X Localization Changes for Character Models
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Doesn't Australia already do that?
We're discussing about it, though?
Pellegri Testament
Member
No shit they haven't said anything, nor will they. Do you honestly believe that a big company like Nintendo would confirm that they censor their games because they can't handle Americans (because let's be honest, none of these would be changed if it were just Europe) getting offended?
I know they had a law which effectively did that, dunno if its still in force.
It is pretty obvious that its not the people who want the slider who are hyper-obsessed with women's bodies though
Some of these localization choices are pretty fucking stupid. The first one I understand but the removing the boob slider? Isn't that a little much?
I should probably clarify I can't remember the last time I made a female character in a gamegame but also the fact that there's certainly not one bra size fits all mentality in the world too.
I can't help but wonder if these might impact some 3rd party relationship choices with the NX or something because of their... Odd choices they are making.
I should probably clarify I can't remember the last time I made a female character in a gamegame but also the fact that there's certainly not one bra size fits all mentality in the world too.
I can't help but wonder if these might impact some 3rd party relationship choices with the NX or something because of their... Odd choices they are making.
TheOnePercent
Member
How do you know that? How do you know they didn't want to share breasts of all shapes and sizes with the world?
Tales From My Ass: Electric Boogaloo, indeed.
A lot of people, such as myself, reject the notion that it's acceptable to remove content when releasing for other places. It's just a matter of whether the blame lies with the company localizing it or the laws that make it absolutely required in order for them to release it.
Again, all of this is some fiction you've invented for yourself. What we know is that they're delivering a different product for a different audience. This idea of fear, suppression, offense, and conservativism is something literally fabricated from nothing.
They released a japanese title with a slider, and an American title without, they're delivering two different messages to two different parts of the world. I'm literally the only one not talking out of his ass on this fake issue.
Paracelsus
Member
Tweak the default image of a character could be reasonable, claiming the slider change came out as some sort of unadulterated enlightenment is maybe the most mind-boggling display of mala fides I've ever seen here in years.
Imagine if WKC came out today, you would be denied the right of having your party go around in their underwear (which a lot of people did when they were streaming it).
Are you bothered by the fact someone could make a custom character with a g-cup or no cup at all you're either way never gonna see? Because that's what it boils down to.
Imagine if WKC came out today, you would be denied the right of having your party go around in their underwear (which a lot of people did when they were streaming it).
Are you bothered by the fact someone could make a custom character with a g-cup or no cup at all you're either way never gonna see? Because that's what it boils down to.
I'd like to hear your alternative theory then.
Because historical precendent for censorship of the human body, both political and sexual, is on their side, not yours.
It's absolutely out of fear. Fear of less sales.
This is only a thing for games published by Nintendo, isn't it?
ZombiePlatypus
Member
That's absolutely true and fine. Why are we pretending these changes are a creative decision when it's very clear this is about appeasing the easily offended though?
This is basically conceding "Yes well, if what I do makes my product unappealing, treat it like an unappealing product then."
Alright, will do.
Sure, but in the case where there is no uncensored version, should those games be forced to keep the content in the localized version?
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
Wait, so women do not have varying chests on real life Nintendo?
I was so blind!
What a fucking stupid thing to do, wouldnt be surprised it was the american localisations fault.
Like, im going to buy the game anyway, but getting rid of that slider is fucking stupid.
I was so blind!
What a fucking stupid thing to do, wouldnt be surprised it was the american localisations fault.
Like, im going to buy the game anyway, but getting rid of that slider is fucking stupid.
Until you've actually proven this to be the case, you're just making shit up.
Well, certainly not that it shouldn't be discussed, only that this is not really censorship. I'm not sure why you understood anything else beyond that, to be honest.
To be fair, most VNs that aren't actually Games About Having Sex, are improved by having their porn removed.
This is not even on that level
This is just very silly and speaks to people terrified of female bodies manifesting in ridiculous ways
TheOnePercent
Member
We're talking about Monolith Soft here. How much were they involved in the localization? Were they on board with this change, or was it grudgingly accepted because NOA demanded it? We don't know these things.
theSlacker
Member
I'm unsure if you really believe this or if you just like arguing. What alternative reason do you think the localization team has for changing this?
ZombiePlatypus
Member
You seriously, genuinely have doubts given the context of how American culture treats sex and how pervasively puritanical our views generally are? Really?
Come on, we can all put two and two together here.
WarioFan63
Member
Fatal Frame 2 for Wii had some bikini costumes removed during localization and that never came out in America.
So where's the proof that the design doc specified this was always intended as only for Japan?
They have a huge fetish for average sized boobs, obviously
Because the only reason to ever think about boobs is because you want to fap to them
Which is why calling it censorship is idiotic. We know a message was changed, and the content creators made the change with no legal or societal pressure- with Stick of Truth and L4D2 being the most obvious example of where this was the case. People are screaming fear and offense without having proven that any exists.
The onus is on you to prove that it was changed for fear.
If you want to admit you're making shit up now...
theSlacker
Member
Nope, you need proof, written documentation signed and notarized. Stop making things up otherwise. You are not permitted to extrapolate giving other information.
No, it isn't. You're saying a message is being blocked or suppressed without being able to prove it to be the case.
In principle and theory, yes, it should at least be available as an option but unless such scenes are actually plot/character relevant, I personally wouldn't care much. This is also an issue where there are things outside the company at play, either laws or the fact that they just flat out can't be sold on certain platforms without removing the porn. With that said, I don't see much practical reason why both can't be offered at this point, either in a separate shop or as patch.
Oh definitely, which is why I'm still waiting for an answer to the question of should those games be forced to retain that content when localized?
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Ah, here we go
And that's a fair defense.
That said, what if the developer/publisher (and let's go with the hypothetical of the original developer actually being involved in this decision) is legitimately trying to divorce the game from its pornographic content (though they obviously keep it intact in Japan for market reasons), and thus don't want to release an uncensored version along with the censored version? Is that still wrong?
Why? I've never said that. You're the one making a claim. You can't make a claim and then ask the audience to prove it's otherwise.
pinkurocket
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In the context of Xenoblade X, the boob slider felt out of place. It's a very basic character creator, with not many options. Especially not for the body, besides height I assume. I remember the male one having nothing, so the boobies for the girls felt tacked on and pure fanservice. Leaving it out definitely feels more right. It was either that, or give the male some more options too.
Pellegri Testament
Member
So we're going this route then, good to see it's pointless arguing with you then.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
You can use common reasoning. Look at the context of how the general climate is regarding this issue. This isn't a change in the game happening in a cultural vacuum.
Nah, but as was mentioned, the All Ages versions are created for Japan to begin with and (and this is the key part) you can still get the porn versions.
Many localizations now have both the All Ages and the R-18 versions available as well
There is little if any cultural context of games in north america being censored short of risking an AO rating.
TheOnePercent
Member
If this wasn't caused by societal pressure in the west, then why was it changed at all? What other reason could there possibly be? Did they run out of space on the disk for the boob polygons?
Suzushiiro
Banned
There should be an option, sure- that's actually what most official VN localizations of games with porn that aren't all about the porn do these days. Muv-Luv kind of is one of these situations (I don't think there was an all-ages PC version, anyway) and that's exactly what it's doing- Steam version is all-ages, but there's a patch to add the sex scenes back in.
Regardless, there's a big difference between changing content like when it makes the difference between being able to sell the game at all (be it because of restrictions from the government or platform holders) and changing content just because you're afraid leaving it as is will cause a controversy that will hurt your game's sales. The latter is especially dumb in a case like this, where the controversy and lost sales from the removal will almost certainly be less than the potential controversy of leaving it in.
I mean, seriously, does anyone in this thread who supports/is okay with this change dislike the existence of the slider enough that they'd have passed on buying the game over it?
Fine with Lin's change, now the boob slider, no idea what to think of it. Personally I was always going to be a male character, now I'm likely going to just recreate Shulk now that his voice actor is available. Isn't it interesting that Shulk's and Fiora's voice actors are both listed as "Classic"(what the hell that means anyway?)?
It's just one slider, the rest are there.
Now that's hyperbole.
It's just one slider, the rest are there.
Now that's hyperbole.
The fact that the Japanese version hasn't been patched to change it is pretty telling.
This is all that needs to be said, really.
No, you're just choosing to only apply a single narrow definition to a word that has a history of being used more widely than that.
"This market doesn't react very positively to underage nudity. And we're freaking Nintendo". Unthinkable!
Iriscomeback
Member
Aww, no boob slider?
Lame.
Lame.
AcademicSaucer
Member
This game was already going to sell poorly, I hope that with all the controversy, the game doesnt do worse.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Load of bollocks.
Maleko Saint
Banned
I don't get it.
Paracelsus
Member
Rated T for Teen. It has nothing to do with having to censor sex because publishers aren't allowed that kind of content on Steam or homeconsoles. It's a slider.