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Opinion Cringe XSX is 'under-powered'.

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First off, I'm a long time Xbox fan. So much so that I used to literally count down the weeks, days, minutes and seconds until the OG Xbox launched and I could buy one. Greatest console ever.

Microsoft have done a lot right this gen. The Elite controller is the greatest controller ever made, Game pass is one of the greatest ideas that gamers have ever had the pleasure to use and the X is a fantastic little box of magic. Forza looks life-like and i mean that without exaggeration. It is one of, if not the greatest looking game i have ever had the pleasure to see.

With that being said, I think the XSX is under-powered - as in, it doesn't or can't do what Microsoft are touting that it can do. Yes, I understand we haven't seen live gameplay yet, but from what we have seen, I am worried - in a gamer sense of the word. I want all companies to be at the top of their game, because we all win. I won't comment on the games, as it is entirely subjective as to what one prefers over another. One mans' COD is another mans' Sea of Thieves.

What i will say is from what we've seen, i don't see the 12 tflops being put to use. From what we've heard, which is statements counter-acting Sony's claims 'it eats monsters for breakfast' and 'consistently fastest console ever' I just don't get the vibe that Microsoft are confident with their console or messaging. All of their talking seems to be counter-acting what Sony have said and/or banging on about 4k/60fps, like that's important outside of console wars.

I find it hard to believe that a console with 10x~ the power of a PS4 and 3x power of the X, can produce such shoddy results so far. Never in my life of watching console launches (First one was the PSX) have I seen the lead platform in terms of power, deliver underwhelming trailers, gameplay and teasers.

If the XSX is genuinely powerful, then that's even worse, as it suggests that Microsoft has a complete lack of talent across the vast majority of their studios (Turn 10 are still one of the best devs in the industry). And no, I'm not 'waiting' any more. I've been told since fucking Kinect to 'wait for the games'.

I hope to God, for Microsofts' sake, that this console is considerably cheaper than the PS5

I wanted you to be great Microsoft. Why have you failed me again. #bringbackallard.

TL;DR: Old Microsoft fan cries in to his Duke because Microsoft are a shadow of their former selves.
 

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Same console. Give it some time.




 

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I suspect some people might have mistaken games going into current gen (they were also presented) with XSeX stuff.
 
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Bear in mind Xbox games for the next two years, so, everything you've seen today, will be designed in a way that they can be configured to also run on base Xbox Ones.

Also bear in mind that Knack isn't TLOU2.
 
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Both consoles aren't great for the price they'll charge, but it's the price/power compromise that console makers pretend we need to make selling these things worthwhile.

We'll be lucky if we ever see 120fps 4k at all this next gen.

Neither console will be making a huge leap, just like last gen, the leap wasn't great, I guess they feel to move units they needed to come up with hype to sell this small incremental upgrade again, so MS chose "power'" and Sony chose "SSD speed", both know this next gen is a fart in a wind, it's almost like a gentleman's agreement.

Hell we probably won't even get good raytracing with solid 60fps 4k this gen coming.
 
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Sooo.... No games are out yet and the console isn't even out yet and it's underpowered because of cross gen games? This your first time with a new console generation?
 
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Bear in mind Xbox games for the next two years, so, everything you've seen today, will be designed in a way that they can be configured to also run on base Xbox Ones.

Also bear in mind that Knack isn't TLOU2.

While true, The Order 1886 wasn't much worse than the graphical showcases of TLoU2, Spiderman, GoW and DS
Both consoles aren't great for the price they'll charge, but it's the price/power compromise that console makers pretend we need to make selling these things worthwhile.

We'll be lucky if we ever see 120fps 4k at all this next gen.

Neither console will be making a huge leap, just like last gen, the leap wasn't great, I guess they feel to move units they needed to come up with hype to sell this small incremental upgrade again, so MS chose "power'" and Sony chose "SSD speed", both know the game.

That's part of my concern; Microsoft have gone power, yet they haven't shown it off. Sony have gone Speed and have demonstrated it.
Sooo.... No games are out yet and the console isn't even out yet and it's underpowered because of cross gen games? This your first time with a new console generation?
Is this your first time on a forum? Read the OP
 
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Series X is an awesome and powerful system. I'm still on the fence whether or not to get one myself, but there's no denying games coming down the pipe will look amazing. I get you are underwhelmed with their latest showing, but it's not the end of the line for them. My dude, chill.

Edit: Also, the new Halo is looking pretty good to me.
 
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Compare launch games on any console to games a few years down the line. There's always a huge difference. It's why early adopting isn't a good idea, in my opinion.
 

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Series X is an awesome and powerful system. I'm still on the fence whether or not to get one myself, but there's no denying games coming down the pipe will look amazing. I get you are underwhelmed with their latest showing, but it's not the end of the line for them. My dude, chill.
Compare launch games on any console to games a few years down the line. There's always a huge difference. It's why early adopting isn't a good idea, in my opinion.
There's no denying that games down the line look better than launch games.

However, i've never known a next-gen console to look worse than a current gen console. The X is a little beast of a machine that has games that look better than what we have shown. That is what concerns me.

Microsoft have made Microsoft look bad
 
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While true, The Order 1886 wasn't much worse than the graphical showcases of TLoU2, Spiderman, GoW and DS

Sure, but TO1886 was a 6 hour corridor shooter and half of that was cutscenes. TLOU2 alone is triple the scope and looks significantly better. TO1886 may look better than Halo Infinite but it's not an open world shooter.

Don't get me wrong, today's showcase was underwhelming, but aren't most console launches?
 
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There's no denying that games down the line look better than launch games.

However, i've never known a next-gen console to look worse than a current gen console. The X is a little beast of a machine that has games that look better than what we have shown. That is what concerns me.

Microsoft have made Microsoft look bad
I agree with you somewhat on the lackluster hype train. Keep in mind the team over at Xbox has stated to keep your expectations in check considering their commitment to cross-gen with Xbox One.
 

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Sure, but TO1886 was a 6 hour corridor shooter and half of that was cutscenes. TLOU2 alone is triple the scope and looks significantly better. TO1886 may look better than Halo Infinite but it's not an open world shooter.

Don't get me wrong, today's showcase was underwhelming, but aren't most console launches?
No. To put it bluntly. The OG Xbox with OG Halo!!!!! and Xbox 360 showcases were mind-blowing. Condemned made me Jizz, then shit, my pants. Tomb Raider on PSX, Blue stinger and Sonic on DC, even Ryse on Xbone. They all made me think "next gen is here"
 
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I agree with you somewhat on the lackluster hype train. Keep in mind the team over at Xbox has stated to keep your expectations in check considering their commitment to cross-gen with Xbox One.
Since Moore and Allard, Microsoft have peddled excuses as to why their output is shit, rather than just outputting good games. No Microsoft fan who is old enough to have played the OG Xbox can say that their quality is better or even equal to, what they had back then, when they took risks.
 
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Hell no. XsX is one hell of a console that just happen to be held back by by the xbone.
 
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No. To put it bluntly. The OG Xbox with OG Halo!!!!! and Xbox 360 showcases were mind-blowing. Condemned made me Jizz, then shit, my pants. Tomb Raider on PSX, Blue stinger and Sonic on DC, even Ryse on Xbone. They all made me think "next gen is here"

Each to their own, if I think about the actual games that launched with consoles, the Switch is by far the most impressive that comes to mind and it's got nothing to do with visually fidelity. BotW ran like shit at 900p and it's still one of the best games I've played in the last decade. It certainly didn't convince me that Nintendo had entered a new generation.
 
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I find it hard to believe that a console with 10x~ the power of a PS4 and 3x power of the X, can produce such shoddy results so far.

Maybe you swallowed a little bit too much Xbox social media marketing there...

PS4 was 1.8tflops.

That makes Xsex around 6x the tflops.

Xb1x was 6 tflops. That makes Xsex 2x the tflops.
 

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Each to their own, if I think about the actual games that launched with consoles, the Switch is by far the most impressive that comes to mind and it's got nothing to do with visually fidelity. BotW ran like shit at 900p and it's still one of the best games I've played in the last decade. It certainly didn't convince me that Nintendo had entered a new generation.
Nintendo has never interested me, i don't know why, i've just never owned a Nintendo system. I'm glad the switch is doing well though.

I'm surprised you weren't blown away by Halo. I mean, the opening music, the co-op on a console! the second level (after the first level in a ship) were just so far ahead of their time and to say it was a launch game...wow. Nothing has surpassed that feeling of "this is next gen" like Halo, IMO
 

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Maybe you swallowed a little bit too much Xbox social media marketing there...

PS4 was 1.8tflops.

That makes Xsex around 6x the tflops.

Xb1x was 6 tflops. That makes Xsex 2x the tflops.

Thanks for the clarification. The point still stands though.

Series X is the world's most powerful next-gen console.

If you're so concerned with power then buy a PC.

World's most powerful? Where's the proof? Nowhere, just more Microsoft Marketing bollox.
 

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Maybe you swallowed a little bit too much Xbox social media marketing there...

PS4 was 1.8tflops.

That makes Xsex around 6x the tflops.

Xb1x was 6 tflops. That makes Xsex 2x the tflops.
7 times the ps4 actually. And going by GCN vs RDNA2, 10 times and 3 times will be about right.
 
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Since Moore and Allard, Microsoft have peddled excuses as to why their output is shit, rather than just outputting good games. No Microsoft fan who is old enough to have played the OG Xbox can say that their quality is better or even equal to, what they had back then, when they took risks.
To be fair, most of the classic OG Xbox games are not made by Microsoft themselves. They just happen to be exclusive to the platform. Hell, even Halo isn't technically their doing. It was originally a Macintosh exclusive. Xbox greatest contributions have never been through their own game development studios, but through their innovated online space.
 
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🤷‍♂️ I couldn't think of a more articulated way of saying "they repeat ad nauseum the same empty message, in a cult-like mantra, hoping, praying that old fans fuck off and the new fans believe, consooom, and don't question"

But it does not appear to be a marketing ploy or an empty message at this point. Aiming for 4K/60fps should be praised IMO; especially the 60fps aspect. Most genres will just feature better playing games if they maintained a locked 60fps. I have a bad feeling Sony will settle for 30fps and dynamic 4K and, if so, they should be raked over the coals for it.
 
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Dial it back on the antagonism and insults.
The replies in this thread are a great example of why i fucking hate Microsoft fans. Most of you dipshits have been corporate ball-washers for a decade. While i've argued against shills on Kinect, Tv Tv TV, Xbone, NFl exclusivity, and the drought of games, you dipshits have said I and other fans were talking shit.

Well here we are, 10 years on and Microsoft still fucking up. Sometimes i think the MS Shills are actually Sony Shills egging Microsoft in to doing stupid shit.

Shillception.