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Yahoo: Playstation 3 is in trouble
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Sho_Nuff82
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Speevy said:
Sales have gone up every year it's been on the market in every territory, it will be out at least another 3 years even by the most conservative estimates, it will get even cheaper thanks to no mandatory HDD, and MS has progressively added value to each SKU with upgrades to the packaging and hardware...so yes?
I should add that while the sentiment of the article is correct (the PS3 being stuck between marketshare and profitability), the overall picture has never been brighter for Sony's console. Software sales and hardware sales picked up considerably year over year in the West, and the lineup of exclusives, despite not moving huge chunks of hardware outside of GT5 and MGS4, has been building impressively. I'm probably one pricedrop and a solid review of KZ2 away from getting one myself.
Sony is simply stuck in the same position MS was in last gen - you can't have far and away the best hardware, be competitively priced, and be profitable on that hardware simultaneously.
FateBreaker
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Speevy said:
If not, more.
Vyse The Legend
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Tenks said:
That was my first thought. :lol
OldJadedGamer
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Firewire said:
You haven't been here long then have you? I remember at E305 how many "dreamers" were projecting a PS2 style domination for the PS3 while the 360 was just an Xbox 1.5 and the Wii was going to sell worse then the GameCube. Also, PS3 would have every single third party exclusive wrapped up in a nice little bow.
Lots of dreamers.
Segata Sanshiro
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I think all of the systems will sell 999,999,999 but then Nintendo will go and sell one more and all of reality will crash due to a memory flood glitch.
DeaconKnowledge
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:lol
This thread is a riot. "My dad can beat up YOUR dad".
This thread is a riot. "My dad can beat up YOUR dad".
Sho_Nuff82
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Speevy said:
Do you have any reason to believe that either system's sales will go down, considering the current realities of 3rd party software support for HD hardware (going up instead of down) and the eventual disappearance of their respective price barriers?
I think expecting a Gamecube level hardware/software abandonment from gamers and developers alike is silly, and completely ignores the differentiating factors between the hardware. As much as the sales placements fit the analogy, the Wii isn't the PS2, the 360 isn't the Xbox, and the PS3 certainly isn't the Gamecube.
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Yes. The Xbox 360 is not the PS2. Its sales will peak in 2009, and this Arcade model will become more and more unattractive to the average Xbox 360 owner as digital distribution continues to grow.
This is such an experimental mish-mash of a generation that I can't see either the PS3 or the Xbox 360 reaching that many consumers.
I think you'll see the combined effect of all Xbox 360 price drops in the last year is roughly equivalent (or perhaps less) to what happened to the Gamecube in 2003.
(Sales should nearly double with an effective price drop)
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Would you stop editing your posts? Okay, I'm not expecting abandonment at all. I expect healthy growth in the form of software sales. I just don't see the Xbox 360 or PS3 selling 250K-300K in the early parts of 2010 and 2011. That's what your continued growth projection would suggest, and it's what the PS2 was doing in 2004-2005.
360 had shipped 20.3M as of June 30th and should be around ~22M now. It took 12 quarters to achieve that. Given that there are 13 quarters from now till the end of 2011, it has finally hit more affordable price levels and RROD stigma slowly fades away, I'm willing to bet there will be at least 47M units shipped as of December 31 2011 (45M sold through + 2M sitting at retail). Probably not much more than that, as I don't expect the system to really accelarate all that much.
I kinow predicting stuff 3 years ahead is totally crazy... But wth, the thread already reached maximum insanity levels
ajay_solidsnake
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so microsoft did buy yahoo....
If the Xbox 360 and PS3 don't break 20 million.... MS took the plunge once, they were inexperienced messed around and managed to beat Nintendo with 24 million Xbox's sold. Enter the Xbox 360(the first to 100 million wins!!). 100 Million is impossible for the HD machines to hit but 35 or perhaps even 40 million should be possible. They got nearly every big franchise on the Xbox 360 including GTA4, COD4, Resident Evil and 'soon' Final Fantasy. If they end this generation with a GameCube level of failure than they'll think twice before they invest in the Xbox 720. For Sony the disaster would be even bigger, from marketleader to a 'niche' HD machine. The drop-off from SNES to N64 was big, but from 120 million to 20 million for PS3 is unthinkable. Maybe that's why Pachter predicted no Xbox 720 and no PS4.Speevy said:
tahrikmili
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Speevy said:
Someone bookmark this. :lol
JoshuaJSlone
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It won't take another 20 million to pass N64. So far, both X360 and PS3 shipments match N64 pretty closely.Speevy said:
Crayon
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Playstation 3 just needs to chill the fuck out. The games are here. More are coming. It's a good value as-is and I don't think it's bleeding out money right now. Now they just chill out till bluray starts making some real money.
MS will need a new system because they are going to need a new system with either hdd or bluray.... and it's likely going to have both since it will have to launch against ps3 for a higher price. And each one will be a bluray player sold.
Furthermore, it's likely that the new xbox will overlap the profitable 360 and they will have to support both.
Nintendo will be in trouble when it's proven that wii actually makes people stupid. That's going to be tough to get over.
MS will need a new system because they are going to need a new system with either hdd or bluray.... and it's likely going to have both since it will have to launch against ps3 for a higher price. And each one will be a bluray player sold.
Furthermore, it's likely that the new xbox will overlap the profitable 360 and they will have to support both.
Nintendo will be in trouble when it's proven that wii actually makes people stupid. That's going to be tough to get over.
I guess there'll be slightly more in Europe than NA. But that's a wild guess. There are regions where console gaming starts to gain popularity and there is potential to ship there quite a few units (Eastern Europe, Brazil, perhaps India). Really my prediction isn't outrageous, I assumed that 360 would be able to sustain/slightly exceed its current momentum and no Xbox3 will be launched by then. If Xbox3 is launched in late 2010 (dubious) then Speevy will most probably win the bet, if Microsoft releases their next machine in late 2011 then 360 will have to have very good 2009 and 2010. We'll see, losing the bet is not the end of the world, it's all for fun (if Speevy lives in USA and dollar remains dirty cheap, I won't lose much anywaygtj1092 said:
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Guy Legend
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Crayon said:
Speevy said:
:lol :lol :lol
No, not before the end of the generation, before the end of this year.
Seriously, do you know what you are talking about?
Let me give you a nice stat. It was at 11.5 million just in the US and Japan as of the end of August. It will sell more than 20 million in the US alone.
Bof...ps3 is not going so good, sure, but 360 'roaring' is hilarious. The tie ratio games is the only good result of this machine but the selling of the console are low. It survives thanks to the usa and uk and in this year ps3 sell more or less at the same level so if ps3 is in trouble 360 too or worse.
Luckyman said:
The 360 has had a slow year so far, but that's about to change.
And, yawwwn...a 300k YTD lead over the 360 in ONE year that's going to get wiped out in 2 months is worth celebrating? And 75% of that was due to one month's sales, when their greatest exclusive since launch came out.
Before you go on celebrating any further, let me re-fresh your memory and give you a preview of what's about to happen.
HOLIDAY SEASON 2007:
Code:
Hardware | PS3 | X360
Sept | 528,119 | 119,000
Oct | 366,000 | 121,000
Nov | 770,000 | 466,000
[U]Dec |1,260,000 | 798,000[/U]
[B][U]Total: |2,924,000 |1,504,000[/U]Gap: 1,420,000
All that started in September with Halo 3.
This year will be no different. Except it will get started by the price drop, instead of Halo 3 but this year it also has Gears of War 2 in November.
I have a question for everyone.
When you say end of this generation, do you mean when a new console is released by one party or both or all three? MS could release a new console tomorrow and say, for the 360 generation we beat the PS3... and it would mean nothing.
I think end of generation should be end of production and support of all competing consoles. For example, the PS2 is still going strong, so the end has not happened yet for it.
When you say end of this generation, do you mean when a new console is released by one party or both or all three? MS could release a new console tomorrow and say, for the 360 generation we beat the PS3... and it would mean nothing.
I think end of generation should be end of production and support of all competing consoles. For example, the PS2 is still going strong, so the end has not happened yet for it.
Speevy said:
Man some of you have short memory. It was actually 2 weeks within a month's time frame. And since ToV it has actually outsold it over that entire time period.
August 4 - Sept, 14 2008
X360 - 24,962
X360 - 7,358
X360 - 3,551
X360 - 3,124
X360 - 1,044
X360 - 21,188
Total: 68,227
August 4 - Sept 14th, 2008
PS3 - 9,673
PS3 - 11,393
PS3 - 9,020
PS3 - 9,775
PS3 - 8,317
PS3 - 8,053
Total: 56,231
That includes a 4 week shortage, btw, which according to various people still hasn't completely ended. It will likely do it again when next week's numbers come out, if there was enough supply this week.
painful fart
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If the 360 does not outsell the the PS3 in Japan from now on, it´s because the 360 is supply limited, got it.jimbo said:
Wait, I recognise this from somewhere.
Metalmurphy
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*edit* nm
Private Hoffman
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jimbo said:
You're insane if you think Microsoft will enjoy >= 1.42 million unit lead over the PS3 in the next 4 months.