YianGaruga
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It's almost like "exclusive" never means anything
But a small logo on a box is helpful information that should be trusted over PR?
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Yakuza 0 shows "PS4 Console Exclusive". Coming to PC? (Nah)
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It's almost like "exclusive" never means anything
But a small logo on a box is helpful information that should be trusted over PR?
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The Artisan
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why the fuck would sony get any say in what sega decides to do with their IPs?
Which is my point
And the same wording used for muktiple games that remain exclusive.
GametimeUK
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Probably a printing error. Just cover it with an "only on playstation" sticker.
YianGaruga
Banned
Well neither I or Atlus PR have said the game will NEVER come to PC.
But this thread and all the speculation is based on a "console exclusive" tag on the box. Which means nothing.
Steve Youngblood
Member
You're being really, really obnoxious here. Cut it out.
What many people are suggesting is that, yes, we aren't stupid. PR can be misleading at times. Sometimes they just flat out get things wrong. We understand that PR statements aren't always the gold standard. "Well, if they issued a public statement then obviously you can take that to the bank!" Again, we're not gullible idiots.
However, many of us are also noting that it often isn't difficult to parse PR statements. The biggest problem you often find with PR statements is that they aren't clear. Things are often intentionally vague or non-committal so as to not find oneself needing to backpedal at a later date. Here, the person is clearly being firm and sincere.
"But what if he's simply wrong due to lack of the pertinent info?"
This is something that is always going to be possible. However, I don't see it as constructive to rudely bring this to the forefront as a likely possibility. I mean, I get it. You're just trying to be the smart reader who is proceeding forth with a healthy dose of skepticism. But really, you're coming across as kind of a jerk here.
Jawbreaker
Member
I'm glad I have a PS4 and don't have to worry about whether the game releases on PC at some point. Sucks for PC-only folks, but there's a console you can purchase at some point if you really want to play the game. I feel the same way regarding PC exclusives. It would be nice if all games were available on PC, but I'm not going to get upset or make a big deal out of it.
PR can certainly be cryptic or outright misleading, but that's typically easy to parse. In this case, it seems pretty clear to me.
PR can certainly be cryptic or outright misleading, but that's typically easy to parse. In this case, it seems pretty clear to me.
If you simply look at historic precedent, the "console exclusive" tag (and naming at conferences) absolutely does mean something.
It significantly shifts the probability curve in favor of an eventual PC version.
It's obviously not a confirmation, that's a silly idea. But it's also not the same situation, statistically, as if it said "exclusive" without the "console" part.
YianGaruga
Banned
And based on that you can make a speculation thread about any game coming to PC because you can't trust anyone.
Really my point is that it's extremely silly to disregard a direct PR statement but treat a dumb boxart logo as the truth instead
Yes I see that. But how many games with that logo even are there? I know of three. That's not a lot of data to extrapolate from and you know that
I still think a "No" from the publisher is a stronger indicator of the probability than the logo. If we hadn't gotten that, I wouldn't have even entered this discussion.
There are "Only on Playstation" games which have gotten PC ports later, so honestly I have no idea what the difference is anyway
They certainly do if they bought exclusivity as they have in the past. These days they often just buy console exclusivity though allowing the publisher to make PC and smartphone releases if they choose. The key here is "if they choose" and there is zero indication that Sega are doing anything right now. It's just rampant speculation based on a label that means little.
Because they probably wouldn't even release in the West if it wasn't for Sony's help. Sony didn't even allow non-English dubbed games in the US, but they made an exception for Yakuza when it was not financially viable for Sega to dub them. Y5 only got released because of Sony, we don't know if that deal was linked to Y0, or if Sony give Sega concessions on fees etc.
Really it's just fan-service that we get these games at all, I doubt that they'd be profitable without Sony's help.
Sony has also announced dozens of games under that moniker that have all released on PC. Yakuza 0 has been announced under that convention as well as box art adorned with the logo.
There is no objective way to end this discussion. PR says it's dead, but they are rarely reliable, historical precedent and Sega's ongoing strategy towards the platform would dictate otherwise.
This is up in the air, but we obviously won't know anything definitive until a later date.
GhostTrick
Banned
I'm not trying to be a smart reader or whatever. I'm just saying PR, whenever direct or not, isn't a source for something that doesn't come out as a fact straigth from the publisher. Basically, I believe there's a reason to put this label on the boxart. But it doesn't mean, PR can come out and say why or what's their plan. For the very same reason PR won't state anything regarding leaks.
As for being firm and sincere, then again as I stated before, it's not the first time, AT ALL.
I'm not being skeptical, neither I'm being optimistic. I'm just saying trying to shutdown a conversation with "PR said so" isn't effective for the sole reason that's part of the PR job to discuss things allowed to be discussed. Atlus PR didn't lied, he said the game isn't coming or in developpement for PC, because that's basically the official word.
As for being "obnoxious" or a "jerk", why ? Because I'm arguing ? What do you call people just shutting the conversation because it rubs them the wrong way or a PR promising to dig up a thread and jam it up my face for something I didn't said ?
Then again, dumb boxart logo as you call it hasn't been dismissed. If Atlus/SEGA PR came and said "yes, it's a mistake", then sure. All I'm saying is, Atlus PR never dismissed the boxart itself and even said doesn't know why.
Then again, it can also be a mistake.
And from what I gather people are using the console exclusive tag on the box as a means to indicate PC version is happening, so why is one PR more reliable than the other?
Like at the moment there is zero indication that it is indeed coming to PC, it might happen one day but right now I don't see anything that tells me it will. Hell the side of the company that actually deals with PC ports (SEGA Europe) has an insane aversion to Japanese styled games that they passed the opportunity to publish Persona 5 themselves in Europe.
YianGaruga
Banned
Most or all of these "console exclusive" announcemens at Sony pressers have come with a (near-)simultaneous PC announcement as far as I know and were basically treated as "Not on XBOX" announcements. Feel free to point out examples where this wasn't the case
It doesn't even have to be a mistake. It could be an agreement between SEGA and Sony to not release the game on Xbox. Once again, we all don't know what exactly the requirement to have a logo on the box is. It leaves the door open for an eventual PC version, but beyond that it doesn't have to mean anything.
Steve Youngblood
Member
PR's raison d'être is to serve as the mouthpiece of the publisher. I get it. Sometimes the small inner circle of decision makers may play things close to the chest and not inform their PR department of everything in the works. However, there's also no need to treat them like they're low level grunts paid to read cue cards and nothing else.
Well, NieR is the most high profile recent example.
It's possible Sega has a different strategy here. Obviously we aren't privy to all of the contractual obligations or strategy. It's possible Sony helped out financially, which elected them temporary exclusivity or Sega wishes to start with Yakuza 1/2 for continuity purposes.
The official Sega PR statement is more akin to, 'no current plans,' which if you've been following the scene for years is essentially a non-answer.
Which could play into the narrative that the Atlus PR wasn't informed.
All that is confirmed and all that players should expect is a PlayStation 4 release. There is no PC version in production.
I put this one up on the board as wait and see. Like I said, I don't think this has been put to bed yet.
GhostTrick
Banned
Wow, there's no way I'd treat them this way, especially considering how tricky it can be as a job. I didn't to sound like this, I kinda meant the opposite, that as a PR, you're in the tricky part of either knowing stuff and not being able to claim them even when the cat is out of the bag or simply having to deal with the informations officially unveiled. As I said, Atlus PR didn't lied. He said the official truth basically: The game is coming exclusively to PS4 and isn't in developpement on PC. That is the official situation as of right now. This reflecting the reality or not is another matter though.
lucebuce12
Member
A FANTASTIC game. A fantastic series, honestly.
You know how Assassin's Creed got yearly releases but half of them were bad or tried ideas that were half baked or just not fun?
It's like that, only there's really no bad entry. Every game is solid, does more than what the previous one did and expands upon it in spades.
Watch this 24 min video by HyperBitHero that fully explains what to expect from Yakuza 0 in terms of settings,story,gameplay and general details. It's a fantastic entry point into the series as it's a prequel and does not assume that the player knows anything about the characters or the series.
Phoenix944
Member
This remembers me to the Ni no Kuni 2 discussion.
Adam said on Stage it was exclusive, but it was tagged as "Console Debut". Yoshida later explained on twitter that Console Debut means it is coming to other platforms after PS4.
As the brand "PS4 Console exclusive Game" is owned by Sony, I'm sure there is a contract signed for using it. It is not like they put it there by accident on both the PSX announcement and the box months later.
Adam said on Stage it was exclusive, but it was tagged as "Console Debut". Yoshida later explained on twitter that Console Debut means it is coming to other platforms after PS4.
As the brand "PS4 Console exclusive Game" is owned by Sony, I'm sure there is a contract signed for using it. It is not like they put it there by accident on both the PSX announcement and the box months later.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I feel like there's a disconnect here. I've tried to be clear throughout that there's many possibilities, and that decisions like this are often kind of fluid anyway. Today's "there's no chance in hell" can be tomorrow's "we've reevaluated because of reasons and have changed our minds." Yes. I absolutely realize how one statement can be read. I get that there's a suspicious logo at the top of the box art. However, when someone at least partially -- if not fully -- in the know comes in and gives you a clear and emphatic "this isn't happening" answer, we can probably trust that information to some degree and treat the speculation of a PC port as less likely. This is in contrast to surmising that PR people are always lying and/or not knowledgeable and thus anything they say should always be taken with a huge grain of salt.
The Artisan
Member
I'm sure they have bought exclusivity in the past, but I don't think Yakzua was one of them. I have a feeling this was a franchise that Sega voluntarily made exclusive to PlayStation and as a result it's just become a hardcore PlayStation franchise, seeing as how the Wii U versions didn't do so hot.
True, but if that's the case...with all the other Yakuza games being exclusive, if the strings attached are the same with Yakuza 0, why would Sony and Sega have a conversation about adding a PC port? How does that benefit them?
Son Of Sparda
Member
Mission accomplished
I'm also going to be inherently biased for two reasons. One being that I'm very adamant for games being preserved indefinitely on PC, another being I've been on the wrong end of PR obfuscation on this issue for the last 5+ years. That's likely why I personally can come off as insensitive towards their work.
I don't think that Sony care too much about PC versions, and Sega probably had no intentions of porting to other consoles after their Wii U escapade, so asking for console exclusivitiy in return for whatever help they give would seem to be a pretty minor concession on Sega's part. Hence the console exclusive tag. For whatever reason it would seem that Sega have decided not to port it to PC (I guess that there are other projects that they'd rather spend the dev time on).
GhostTrick
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The Artisan
Member
Steve Youngblood
Member
Eh, there's nothing wrong in my mind with hoping for a PC port. The logo on the box does certainly invite speculation that it might happen at some point. I don't want to discourage people from having optimism about games coming to PC. What I do want to discourage is a needlessly antagonistic attitude directed at a fellow member.
Japanese PC version confirmed!
The Artisan
Member
lol man what is going on here
Fair enough.
Primethius
Banned
That's because not everyone in this thread does.
The Artisan
Member
so...where the fuck I gotta go to preorder this business edition
lucebuce12
Member
Just pre-order a Physical copy. EDIT:
From the press release:
So all of the people who pre-order are entitled to this launch edition. It's the same as any Day-One version of games these days.
CyberPunked
Member
Really? How'd you work that out?
lucebuce12
Member
Check my edit.
Yup, which is why I'm a little disappointed since that means I won't be able to get it since I don't live in a region where games are sold officially
Still though, just the fact that they're doing more than just a simple release means that they realize there is a loyal and growing fan base here!
Steve Youngblood
Member
This really isn't a controversial statement you're replying to. Honestly, as far as I'm concerned, I'd prefer it if every game came out on as many platforms as possible so that more people have the chance to play it how they want. Having said that, though, sometimes it's just the nature of the business that you have to take the partnerships that you can get. If the only way for development to get funded is to make a deal with a first party, that's not anti-consumer. Particularly when the alternative is that the game doesn't get made at all.
Infernostew
Member
I have a PS3 though. Not everyone is a console warrior TheFlow
Have you played a Yakuza game on ps3?
Son Of Sparda
Member
What's this business edition? Anything we can get from pre-ordering the digital version?
