...people as in children.
...and taking out as in kidnapping and torturing people into being so mind broken that the commit murder.
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Yandere Simulator dev on Twitch lack of oversight on bans.
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...people as in children.
...and taking out as in kidnapping and torturing people into being so mind broken that the commit murder.
Pretty much. Next time there's another high-profile school shooting and someone's out for a scapegoat (that isn't the NRA), you don't want to be associated with a high school murder simulator.
This. There is a big difference in playing the role of a pro assassin and a psychotic high school kid killing and torturing other kids.
E_Darkness
Member
I mean I was with him until he decided to have a section on THOSE People.
Eh... eh... no...
Eh... eh... no...
KojiKnight
Member
Meanwhile, this is aokay on twitch.
(warning, all of those are from South Park SoT, all of them are NSFW, and all of them are perfectly okay to play on Twitch)
I'm not saying that SoT is any more appropriate for children or twitch, but Yandere Sim isn't even on the same page as this and a few other 'acceptable' twitch games... And even if Yandere DOES do something that somehow puts it above that, Yandere Dev has zero recourse because Twitch staff refuse to even acknowledge the game let alone will say what pushes it over the edge to banned territory.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I think it's dumb but their business, their rules.
edit: oh yeah, it features breaking people mentally through bullying and torture. had forgot about that. thats understandably offputting compared to your average violent game.
edit: oh yeah, it features breaking people mentally through bullying and torture. had forgot about that. thats understandably offputting compared to your average violent game.
No. Especially when "SJW" is some abstract term than they use however they feel like it.
SJW is basically the excuse they use to blame anyone.
It's a video game.
I don't care if the game is banned on Twitch or not, but he's comparing games feature by feature when I think it's more the whole package that made them decide to ban it.
Like, okay, there are high school kids who are killed in Danganronpa, there is a torture scene in GTA V, there is some nudity in Senran Kagura, there is gore in God of War, but this game has all of those things in a high school setting and, I don't know... maybe, just maybe, that's the reason?
Also, every time I read, "YandereDev" and "Yandere-chan" out loud I can't help but cringe. Not to mention the badly voice acted segments and the "THOSE people" part in this video.
Whatever you say, YandereDev, must be the SJWs.
Like, okay, there are high school kids who are killed in Danganronpa, there is a torture scene in GTA V, there is some nudity in Senran Kagura, there is gore in God of War, but this game has all of those things in a high school setting and, I don't know... maybe, just maybe, that's the reason?
Also, every time I read, "YandereDev" and "Yandere-chan" out loud I can't help but cringe. Not to mention the badly voice acted segments and the "THOSE people" part in this video.
Whatever you say, YandereDev, must be the SJWs.
Tbh I don't think he'd care as long as they told him why it was banned.
afternoon delight
Member
I'm trying to play a lunatic stealth murder spree with Solid Snake cosplaying as a female student do you mind? I sincerely doubt the prime audience following this game is seeking that ultra rare, ever elusive, never before glimpsed high school porn subgenre.
Permanently A
Junior Member
THOSE people part is pretty cringe, I stopped the video there
but it is kinda shitty he's getting no response, so he emails more people, and then they get pissed off at him for mass emailing and refuse to help him and so on and so forth
but it is kinda shitty he's getting no response, so he emails more people, and then they get pissed off at him for mass emailing and refuse to help him and so on and so forth
WickedLaharl
Member
So is RapeLay. Are you okay with it as well?
I think the difference between SoT and Yandere Sim is that those scenes in South Park are isolated to specific parts of the game that don't make up a very large portion of the whole game. In Yandere Sim, however, graphic violence against minors is a very major component of the entire game.
That being said, if Twitch hasn't been able to give the guy an answer on their own, then I think the game should be allowed to be streamed, just like South Park.
The Sum of Zero
Member
Oh here we go.
KojiKnight
Member
Just a note to this, you can play the game without killing anyone. Right now it's not quite a 'game' so much as it is a sandbox, and people are going ham with killing because that is the primary means of interacting when there isn't any real story mode implemented yet.
That said, yeah most people are going to play it as a murder game no doubt.
As for playing anyways, it's on Twitch's banned game list so playing the game will get you a suspension.
Sure, they should at least give him a proper answer.
But going on about how some Twitch employees might feel the game is offensive towards women, the "THIS is what's going to happen with every game from now on!" theory, adding in the same "this is what a feminist looks like" clips we've already seen a thousand times, and just whining about this whole things for 20 minutes? Come on.
are we equating this game to rapelay now?
afternoon delight
Member
There is like a multibillion dollar industry depicting the high school experience (including abject horror involving every kind of demon, sin, and death you can imagine) but you slap some of them anime eyes on it.... Best think of the children.
We're just talking about the Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street series in OT, more examples of potentially subversive filth writhing in the same muck.
We're just talking about the Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street series in OT, more examples of potentially subversive filth writhing in the same muck.
KojiKnight
Member
No doubt, the tone of the video is, at best, whiney and at worst kind of offensive... but the guy did try to get a response through several proper professional channels and was ignored for over a year. It's not too different from recently when a bunch of Youtubers started making videos because of Youtube's policies and not being able to get in touch with anyone on Google's side.
As for any other games where a highschooler murders other highschoolers, I honestly don't know one off the top of my head... but I could probably list a few dozen movies pretty easily.
In a post Columbine world people tend to react to violence taking place in schools much differently. I'm not saying it's wrong or right but that's how it is and that seems to be the problem with this game.
afternoon delight
Member
I honestly do not believe Columbine is relevant anymore in terms of media violence. Shit, some school produces that kind of atrocity several times a year now. I'll go one step further, I think streaming sexually explicit content through the internet is something every single child under the age of twelve is accutely aware of.
This game has always been an easy target and will remain so. Should've been more grimdark and had less vibrant colors, less panties and more jihadists to gel with people's acceptable levels of bullying and violence.
Edit: And to top it off, both you and I feature avatars alluding to events involving minors in violent sexual behavior! The ironing is delicious.
Diablohead
Member
Twitch are very bad with bans, they instantly ban people not playing a game for 10 minutes but they won't ban those who make money because they are doing non gaming content (before the social channel was added)
The big issue here is non one at twitch is helping.
The big issue here is non one at twitch is helping.
Exactly right in saying that several school massacres happen every year. And my point is that a game that could potentially let kids live out that kind of fantasy is going to be seen in a bad light.
afternoon delight
Member
I don't think so but I get exactly what you're saying. And truthfully, both Harris and Klebold played and created custom Doom wads.
Oh and to be clear, I definitely don't think the game should be banned from Twitch or anything. I played it and it's pretty silly and like a love letter to dumb anime tropes. But I'm just saying I can understand the outrage.
I agree with the general premise, that Twitch banning certain games while leaving big view generators up that break the same rules is kind of shitty, but it's really hard to care when:
1) this game looks like utter fucking trash
2) he sounds like he's one step away from saying 'and then I dug a little deeper' like some Atlantean conspiracist
3) he went to 'those people'. Get real, you had some points without needlessly aligning yourself with gg/alt-right wankery. The people ruining this world aren't overzealous feminists, they're the racists and sexists polluting our species with their poisonous world views. Rolled my eyes when he went on that lovely little tangent.
1) this game looks like utter fucking trash
2) he sounds like he's one step away from saying 'and then I dug a little deeper' like some Atlantean conspiracist
3) he went to 'those people'. Get real, you had some points without needlessly aligning yourself with gg/alt-right wankery. The people ruining this world aren't overzealous feminists, they're the racists and sexists polluting our species with their poisonous world views. Rolled my eyes when he went on that lovely little tangent.
We're not talking about Senran Kagura here.
Daffy Duck
Member
Nope it was for running over a complete group of Hare Krishna .
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Moreover, even if a game like South Park has a whole bundle of weird and cringy things too (at least for "fresh eyes" people), it is surely more popular in occidental cultures than a game like Yandere Simulator, which can shock at the first sight. Is the ban a good thing though? I doubt.
No, but video games are considered art and fall under the 1st amendment, so they can have pretty much anything in them.
Plus, the idea that seeing a cartoonish depiction of violence will somehow negatively impact a healthy child has been debunked numerous times.
Not to mention games that have far more violence and sexual are allowed on Twitch than Yandere Sim.
Novel Mike
Member
Twitch's bans confuse me. Many of the titles listed are just outright hentai games or porn games why not just say none of that in general why are only a few specific games being called out on that list? Is it because people have actually tried to stream them or something?
On the topic of Yandere Simulator... It's not a game I'd ever want to really play judging by the content shown in the video but the creator does have a point. God of War allows you to rip peoples heads off among others, South Park does a lot of crazy fucked up things in general, GTA in general. Manhunt is hands down far more disturbing. Why do all of those games get a pass when they have equal or even more fucked up content?
I get what people are saying about the whole package being pretty fucked up in general but so is GTA and its hands down the biggest western series around and Twitch would laugh at you if you actually asked them to ban it.
I guess my point is that if the content of this game bothers you doesn't the content in GTA bother you?
This speaks nothing to the actual problem the developer has where he is willing to change the content of the game to get it unbanned (or at least claims he would) and he is right that its pretty hypocritical to allow a game like Manhunt to get by because it got an M rating when its infinitely more disturbing and graphic then this game is and the developer does claim he is actually aiming for a M rating.
I also agree that him blaming Feminists for all of his problems is also beyond stupid to say the least but Twitch needs to have an open dialog with the developer even if they still reject it just for the premise alone I think thats fine its their site they can do what they want but just to ignore the guy for over a fucking year is pretty shitty as well even if you don't like the content.
On the topic of Yandere Simulator... It's not a game I'd ever want to really play judging by the content shown in the video but the creator does have a point. God of War allows you to rip peoples heads off among others, South Park does a lot of crazy fucked up things in general, GTA in general. Manhunt is hands down far more disturbing. Why do all of those games get a pass when they have equal or even more fucked up content?
I get what people are saying about the whole package being pretty fucked up in general but so is GTA and its hands down the biggest western series around and Twitch would laugh at you if you actually asked them to ban it.
I guess my point is that if the content of this game bothers you doesn't the content in GTA bother you?
This speaks nothing to the actual problem the developer has where he is willing to change the content of the game to get it unbanned (or at least claims he would) and he is right that its pretty hypocritical to allow a game like Manhunt to get by because it got an M rating when its infinitely more disturbing and graphic then this game is and the developer does claim he is actually aiming for a M rating.
I also agree that him blaming Feminists for all of his problems is also beyond stupid to say the least but Twitch needs to have an open dialog with the developer even if they still reject it just for the premise alone I think thats fine its their site they can do what they want but just to ignore the guy for over a fucking year is pretty shitty as well even if you don't like the content.
While it's unprofessional of Twitch to not reply to his messages, in any case it's obvious why the game is banned.
Realistic teen nudity is something no company wants to be associated with. In this day and age those words are way more offensive than any kind of animated violence, and more than drawn nudity.
Realistic teen nudity is something no company wants to be associated with. In this day and age those words are way more offensive than any kind of animated violence, and more than drawn nudity.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
You don't understand how actions, objects, displays, etc can be framed. When South Park shows alien-on-person (and child) anal intrusion, it's not for some kind of sexy kick but for shock. How those scenes are framed don't scream creepy or sexy. It's the same with sex toys in Big Gay Al's ass: shock. These story or game play elements are designed to be edgy humor / shock humor. When you do a panty shot in Yandere Simulator, what is the goal of the scene and how you can interact with it? I'm not sure. Why even include it? It's literally looking up skirts of drawn kids.
Again, even if Twitch is hypocrites, does it make it wrong to ban this game?
But the game doesn't have nudity? And the dev said he's willing to tone down whatever skin-showing is in the game?
Subpar Spatula
Banned
There's a sort of emphasis on pseudo-nudity in those scenes. Take the Sims for example: the character gets into the shower and they become blur blobs theb walk out. Until Dawn had a psuedo-nude scene in where a character walks around in a towel. The emphasis on that part isn't her but going from point A to B while she's confused. In Yandere Simulator it seems you can walk around naked with clouds covering areas of the body. This is more interactive. Here's the question... why do you need more interaction in these scenes? I'm not sure why you need more interaction.
AlexFlame116
Member
This a thousand times. He's said countless times that he would gladly tone the content down like easter eggs or the giants if they asked him. As long as it didn't interfere with the core concept of the game.
It's a bit weird having to explain common sense to people. Anyway.
The game has a bit of nudity censorship yes, but nudity and violence are shown in a different manner than other games. Those make Yandere Simulator be correctly perceived as way more offensive than any other game in Twitch.
Yandere Simulator features nudity and violence as integral part of a game solely about murdering and torturing high school students. They are not shown in a jokingly way or as part of the plot. Then, nudity in particular is featured in interactive scenes; not cut scenes in which the least offensive camera angles are shown. Lastly, the game has realistic 3d graphics.
For the general public those aspects make it way more offensive than any Senran Kagura, South Park or Doom game. All of those are silly games that show nudity and violence in a jokingly manner, with unrealistic looks and in cut scenes that don't show offensive camera angles. Viewers laugh.
It's like watching an action movie: objectively the violence is over the top, but it doesn't look offensive because of the way it is shown. The intention is not to disgust.
To be blunt with the comparison, I'll provide a couple of more examples. Be aware they are bit disgusting, but those might be necessary for some to understand that the context is everything.
While in a movie sometimes hundreds of villains are murdered, still those killings are nothing like Yandere Simulator in terms of crudeness. No blockbuster action movie features realistic-looking torture, of innocents, with a grim setting, from a first person perspective, including teen nudity so the scene is perceived as more crude, that lasts for hours if you want to. South Park doesn't do that. This game does.
Or think about really rough porn or hentai: if the core content is clearly non-appropriate in anything other than a very shady porn store, then adding a pixel of censorship won't make it any more suitable for screening it on TV. That's what Yandere Simulator did, adding merely a bit of blurring as a way to try to circumvent common sense. It's still crude teen nudity anyway, no matter the blur.
It's obvious the author of the game understands this deeply inside, despite playing the fool on the media. Or at least I hope he does.
Or if you haven't got the message yet, channels can show boobs on TV, as long as the intention and the context is deemed non-offensive. For example it can be shown in a playful manner, or as part of an education campaign. Instead, Yandere Simulator strives to be as offensive as possible; way more so than Postal 2.
Or think about really rough porn or hentai: if the core content is clearly non-appropriate in anything other than a very shady porn store, then adding a pixel of censorship won't make it any more suitable for screening it on TV. That's what Yandere Simulator did, adding merely a bit of blurring as a way to try to circumvent common sense. It's still crude teen nudity anyway, no matter the blur.
It's obvious the author of the game understands this deeply inside, despite playing the fool on the media. Or at least I hope he does.
Or if you haven't got the message yet, channels can show boobs on TV, as long as the intention and the context is deemed non-offensive. For example it can be shown in a playful manner, or as part of an education campaign. Instead, Yandere Simulator strives to be as offensive as possible; way more so than Postal 2.
Twitch has a catch all "Is it adult rated by the ESRB or the equivalent in another country? Then you cant play it"
Yandere Sim, if it was rated right now by the ESRB, would be an AO game.
Am I one of THOSE people, you say?
i highly doubt it would, actually
The Hermit
Member
I think the problem here is the lack of communication.
If Stwitch literally told yanderedev to go fuck himself we don't want your game here, there would be no problem whatsoever.
If Stwitch literally told yanderedev to go fuck himself we don't want your game here, there would be no problem whatsoever.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
However you may feel about the game, Twitch has an obligation to communicate and they have refused, That's unprofessional and disrespectful to a developer/gamer who values their service.
From what I see, there's nothing in the game that really screams "AO." There's isn't much graphic violence, there isn't any nudity, and there isn't detailed scenes of torture. Shit, violence doesn't appear to be the central aspect of the game!
/shrug I don't get it
From what I see, there's nothing in the game that really screams "AO." There's isn't much graphic violence, there isn't any nudity, and there isn't detailed scenes of torture. Shit, violence doesn't appear to be the central aspect of the game!
/shrug I don't get it
Come to think about it, we are only blindly trusting this guy's word. Twitch hasn't publicly replied yet.
After all drama is free advertising, whether real or made up.
Umm... in what way do you seriously believe that these south park scenes will influence someone in a dangerous way? What kid will see this and be affected badly? How is this even a comparison?
Sure, some kind of dry, perhaps automated response is in order. Really who cares though? Twitch is not an open platform, we're not talking about some kind of freedom of expression issue here. We are talking about a shit, horrible game created by a team that is led by a person that has some seriously hurtful political agendas (talking about the SJW/anti-feminism propaganda). Who cares about if twitch has or hasnt sent an email. I mean the ban itself already sends the message: we dont want your disgusting game on our platform.