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[Cipherr]

60 fps but at what resolution

There are some videos with really high res on Youtube lately. This one is 4k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7itr_P3YqaY


I don't have a 4k monitor, but when I raise that trailers quality to 4k the image quality gets MUCH better. Toss 60fps on a video like that and it would look incredible.

The complaints regarding the bitrate are justified, but perhaps missing the wider implications. YouTube is mainstream while Gamersyde is not. There will be millions of gamers watching these 60fps videos, and they will be introduced to the vocabulary and visuals of high frame rates. I'm assuming there will be labels for 60fps footage. Once they're armed with that information they will be able to distinguish, appreciate, and demand high framerates in their games. In addition, due to the video compression, a locked 60fps is far more distinguishable in A/B video comparisons than more subtle additional graphical detail. Game developers now have an avenue and an incentive to market 60fps as a feature during the pre-release phase. Eventually, 60fps may eventually become an element of concern rather than an empty buzzword in the minds of mainstream consumers.

We can only hope.

 

[Theognosis]

Nintendo and other 60fps focused devs will benefit from this.

Indeed and this is good for gaming in general! Attention now will go to MOTION and other devs who used to focus on graphical fidelity in still shots will follow the lead of prioritizing 60 fps in their games.

 

[SapientWolf]

Those YouTube links just look like they're sped up 1.5x - what kind of shit is this?!

No?

They only seem to work right in Chrome at the moment. It doesn't help that none of the footage keeps a consistent 60fps.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Have they finally announced a youtube app? I missed it.

At Sony's press conference at E3. Not til Fall though

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Video is ultra smooth here on Chrome.

Ultra smooth here on IE 11.

 

[derFeef]

Massive compression artifacts at 60fps is really exciting.

 

[Nokterian]

About damn time!

 

[Eusis]

bububub they look the same


it will be the new HD

In some ways it already is, look at how many TVs have motion interpolation options.

However it will be great once it comes NATURALLY and not because of a hack job with very visible seams during movies. Only seems to be useful for sports perhaps when it comes to entertainment programming, and I don't really care about watching those. Especially as it may pave the way for TVs having 120 hz properly accessible for games rather than reserved for motion interpolation stuff, not that the options will be seen until next gen.

 

[Paz]

I'm not sure if people realize how much of a big deal this is, marketing is a huge part of why decisions get made on games and up until now the biggest platform for video content had been capped in such a way that you saw no benefits from marketing a 60fps game.

It won't happen instantly but I think this will have a huge long-term impact.

 

[TetraGenesis]

Welcome to 2014, YouTube. We've been waiting for you.

Edit: SenjustuSage even uses Internet Explorer? God, that's dedication.

 

[daninthemix]

Will they achieve this by doubling the existing bitrate? Surely they can't apportion half per frame - videos will look awful.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Will they achieve this by doubling the existing bitrate? Surely they can't apportion half per frame - videos will look awful.

Well, whatever they're doing so far, videos look incredible.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

I thought its available now :/

 

[Nizz]

At Sony's press conference at E3. Not til Fall though

Oh, I didn't remember that. Thought if would be sooner. Thank you for answering.

 

[Boss Mog]

I guess they put it off as long as they could (due to the increased bandwidth costs), but they eventually have to join the 21st century.

 

[Thursday War]

Wooooo

 

[EASTC0AST_GH05T]

Have they finally announced a youtube app? I missed it.

yes it was officially announced at E3 and rumor has it that it will be revealed at gamescon

 

[Victarion]

Ultra smooth here on IE 11.

Why.

 

[omnislayer]

People need to stop trying to make webm sound bigger than what it'll ever be without mobile or tablet support.

I watch webm's on my phone?

 

[Sendou]

I'm not sure if people realize how much of a big deal this is, marketing is a huge part of why decisions get made on games and up until now the biggest platform for video content had been capped in such a way that you saw no benefits from marketing a 60fps game.

It won't happen instantly but I think this will have a huge long-term impact.

I hope you are right. Although I see how it easily could be a big deal.

 

[immortal-joe]

I choose to credit Blim for this news.

 

[ZeroX03]

What are people using to convert to VP9?

 

[Monty Mole]

i wonder how many people actually capture footage at 60fps

that aren't devs

Oh ffs. Camcorders in the 80s captured footage in 60fps (interlaced).

In fact, most stuff was 60fps before the digital internet age came along and slashed everything to 30fps due to bandwidth.

 

[Blimblim]

I choose to credit Blim for this news.

You give me and gamersyde waaay to much importance when it comes to such a decision made by a company like Google...

 

[IcyRhythms]

What are people using to convert to VP9?

Do you have to convert to VP9 to get 60FPS? Isn't the goto format for YT .mp4 and .wmv?

 

[Jinfash]

Wii-u fans rejoice.

So glad Nintendo decided to develop the framerate synthesizer microchip.

 

[ZeroX03]

Do you have to convert to VP9 to get 60FPS? Isn't the goto format for YT .mp4 and .wmv?

mp4 is the container, VP9 is the codec. Word is in the thread you need VP9 as the codec to get 60fps, most video these days is h264 though. Premiere is my current choice of video editing software and it doesn't have VP9. Looking into ffmpeg and hybrid now.

 

[Eusis]

Oh ffs. Camcorders in the 80s captured footage in 60fps (interlaced).

In fact, most stuff was 60fps before the digital internet age came along and slashed everything to 30fps due to bandwidth.

Yeah, most of those home videos were a lot smoother looking than movies and scripted TV generally were.

And that reminded me that one way for people who "can't see the difference" to wake up to said difference: using their cellphone camera (assuming it's not 60 fps, do they have any that do that yet?) and seeing the video feed in Camera mode relative to what they're seeing in real life. If you don't have some esoteric eye (or brain) condition you have to realize just how much smoother reality really is, and that 60 comes significantly closer to copying that.

 

[peronmls]

i just uploaded a 60FPS video with chrome and its not 60FPS. I don't know how these people were able to upload 60fps unless it wasn't...

 

[CadetMahoney]

Is the default recording feature on PS4's locked to 30fps?

Would also make poor ppl without kick-ass PC capture equipment and set-ups who can only capture using crappy 30fps maxed equipment lose out to the richer folk.

It would also be cool for ppl to re-do their playthroughs/speedruns etc at 60fps.

 

[IcyRhythms]

i just uploaded a 60FPS video with chrome and its not 60FPS. I don't know how these people were able to upload 60fps unless it wasn't...

As the other guy mentioned, VP9 codec may be needed. I'm not sure. It wouldn't make much sense if we all had to jump through hoops to make it happen. I'm not even sure they've officially released it.

 

[dark_prinny]

i just uploaded a 60FPS video with chrome and its not 60FPS. I don't know how these people were able to upload 60fps unless it wasn't...

I think is just some selected videos for now for testing purposes.

 

[Matt]

i just uploaded a 60FPS video with chrome and its not 60FPS. I don't know how these people were able to upload 60fps unless it wasn't...

It's not rolled out for everyone yet.

 

[Blimblim]

Do you have to convert to VP9 to get 60FPS? Isn't the goto format for YT .mp4 and .wmv?

I'm pretty sure it will be vp9 only for playback, not for upload. Youtube converts your video to a rather insane number of resolutions and codecs when you upload it from any type of source, so I'd be very surprised they would only do the 60 fps conversion if the source was VP9, a format that almost no software supports in terms of encoding.

 

[Recall]

There needs to be a clearer option of the bitrate used. The image/video compression on YouTube is pretty bad.

 

[Blimblim]

There needs to be a clearer option of the bitrate used. The image/video compression on YouTube is pretty bad.

Most people will notice the difference between 30 and 60 fps (consciously or not), but compression is way less noticeable for most people. I don't know about other countries, but here is France many people watch TV through their DSL lines, and quality is absolutely and utterly terrible, and people simply don't notice and/or care. Drives me mad, but I'm in a very small minority...

 

[Drencrom]

Best youtube update in years

 

[Sectus]

I am very happy about this news. I've been wanting to upload 60fps videos for ages.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

Hooray, way overdue.

 

[peronmls]

encoded a 60fps video with VP9. Still no 60. Unless I did it wrong. (doubt it) I guess I'll have to wait till YT gets updated.

 

[Blimblim]

Wow, looks like it's using a 19 mbits bitrate or something like that on those sample videos. That's very impressive, especially with an advanced codec like VP9...

 

[ZeroX03]

encoded a 60fps video with VP9. Still no 60. Unless I did it wrong. (doubt it) I guess I'll have to wait till YT gets updated.

Yeah I did a VP9 video at 1080p/60fps and YouTube's just staring at me with a processing screen.

 

[IcyRhythms]

I don't think they've officially released it to everyone. Probably a waste of time for another week or so.

 

[Cyborg]

They should make this behind the paywall........If you want 60fps in a 1080p you should pay for it!

 

[Drencrom]

Wow, looks like it's using a 19 mbits bitrate or something like that on those sample videos. That's very impressive, especially with an advanced codec like VP9...

How big of an improvement is it from before?

 

[Kibbles]

Would love to see the CoD E3 Demo in 60fps

 

[GeneralManager]

People need to stop trying to make webm sound bigger than what it'll ever be without mobile or tablet support.

It does work on mobile.

 

[ZeroX03]

How big of an improvement is it from before?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbsGxdAPhjv9UrLo19pS8teoRKj7funAy

Titanfall at 60fps
Battlefield Hardline
VGHS Season 2 Trailer

edit - like TheD said below -- switch to 1080p to get the 60fps version

Check these out for reference. Knowing the bitrate is a big deal, but the level of compression will vary depending on what the source video is. I thought the Titanfall video wasn't as sharp as it needed to be but I can't be sure if that's YT compression or just a shitty source.

You could probably compare the VGHS S2 trailer to the one on RocketJump for an idea though.

 

[Radec]

Fantastic.

Now if only Twitch require 60fps on its streamers that would be great too!

 

[Fattony12000]

Sick.