Demon2blades
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Great stuff absolutely love the Zelda series from the start... this was an epic game for me with lots of great memory's made
Sales != QualityGreat word of mouth without price drop indicated that the game was properly rated and a lot of people are willing to pay a full price to play the game even 3 years after the released.
If the high rated game with dirt cheap permenant price drop and was given away for free after a few months of release date to inflate the sales number for PR(TLOU, UC4, and etc) then it's certainly an overrated game.
Congrats you played yourself, I have both BOTW and the season pass on my Switch right now.Honestly it seems to me that CrysisFreak is just cheap, using emulation as an excuse for piracy. I've run the emulators on good hardware and honestly it's just not as good. The picture quality might be marginally better but you get so many glitches and stutters it's just not worth it, plus you lose out on the convenience of being able to play on the go or on the TV on the Switch at the drop of a hat (which beats a boiling gaming laptop). For me, the frame rate is perfectly decent and it looks lovely on my big TV, honestly 4k is horseshit at this juncture - a huge bump in required GPU spec for not much difference which will likely hobble the graphical capabilities of the next gen making the games look WORSE than the previous gen.
The other thing to consider is that we don't tend to value that which we acquire free of charge - people who pirate tend to get a game, not really try that hard if it doesn't grab them in 3 seconds and move on.
You bought trash and suddenly pirating it on PC it becomes better than turds?Sales != Quality
Animal Crossing sells well, it's trash. Fifa sells well, it's trash. A lot of game sell well despite being trash.
Reasons why BOTW is trash:
-Godawful combat, flurry rush is spastic, janky and unsatisfying compared to other perfect dodge mechanics, same goes for parrying, no animation cancelling, shit animations in the first place, shit enemy variety, framedrops during explosions (aka often), meme stealth mechanics, breaking weapons become annoying real quick
-Pathetic production values that are in no relation to how much money is made with the game, voice acting 404 not found 99% of the time, 2003 called lmao
-What story?
-See that aliasing? It disappears if you get closer
-Even the fastest camera speed is 3 times slower than it should be.
Congrats you played yourself, I have both BOTW and the season pass on my Switch right now.
It gets curbstomped by the CEMU version with CemuHook at up to 240fps so hard it's not even funny. With a legit rig it is mindblowing what you can do with it.
You can 100% it on my rig with motion controls without any bug if you want.
What do you mean my complaints are all over the place?You bought trash and suddenly pirating it on PC it becomes better than turds?
Honestly the fact that you're so proud of doing it is fascinating. My rig. Yeah.
And your complaints are all over the place, it's hard to take it seriously rather than you being triggered. Your 10/10 game must have been godly fun I guess.
You could always return the game and the console for quite a nice price. Also I didn't have any problems with your complaints overall, it's your opinion and I just don't care that much.What do you mean my complaints are all over the place?
I listed the things that were shit (there's more like the copy and pasted shrines) and that's it.
I paid 80€ for that shit I get to complain.
Feel free to refute any of the points I made.
Sales != Quality
Animal Crossing sells well, it's trash. Fifa sells well, it's trash. A lot of game sell well despite being trash.
Reasons why BOTW is trash:
-Godawful combat, flurry rush is spastic, janky and unsatisfying compared to other perfect dodge mechanics, same goes for parrying, no animation cancelling, shit animations in the first place, shit enemy variety, framedrops during explosions (aka often), meme stealth mechanics, breaking weapons become annoying real quick
-Pathetic production values that are in no relation to how much money is made with the game, voice acting 404 not found 99% of the time, 2003 called lmao
-What story?
-See that aliasing? It disappears if you get closer
-Even the fastest camera speed is 3 times slower than it should be.
Congrats you played yourself, I have both BOTW and the season pass on my Switch right now.
It gets curbstomped by the CEMU version with CemuHook at up to 240fps so hard it's not even funny. With a legit rig it is mindblowing what you can do with it.
You can 100% it on my rig with motion controls without any bug if you want.
I'm not trolling I voiced my opinion as a paying customer and I don't need to legitimise that.You seem to focus on odd things which don't actually matter and some odd subjective views which you present as absolute sole truth.
- The combat is absolutely fine - I certainly haven't felt it to be un-fun.
- Not sure where your problem with lack of enemy variety comes from - it seems about right to me - too many and you can't learn how specific enemies work and how to battle them, too few and it becomes boring, for me they're fine.
- Your complaints about animation - honestly nothing I've particularly noticed and honestly not that important. The animation seems absolutely fine to me, wandering around killing stuff I've seen nothing that bothers me. Your complaints here seem like you're desperately fishing for something to complain about.
- You don't like the production values.. the thing is I do. Games on the Switch tend to be smaller in file size than the ridiculous bloated messes typical of the industry these days. This leads to a certain trimming of the fat. The voice acting is used when it's needed. I sense you've not played many JRPGs as it seems to be standard to voice the bits that need it. The thing is that it helps to stop the game becoming a movie. Cut-scene story bits don't outstay their welcome. For some modern PC games you go for 15 minutes barely touching the damn controller with all the cutscenes. Nintendo know people want games, not movies, and they play to that.
- I take it you missed the story about Ganon being a dick and needing to help Zelda deal with him, with a bit of help from some dead people?
- And we finish up with graphics stuff.
It sounds to me like you'd be happier playing TLOU2 or something like that, where it's all production value and well, not much else. I'd rather have the game thanks. And MagnesG is right to point out the absurdity that you complain about the game being trash and then boast about how awesome it is on your rig. Honestly your post reads like the kind of person who thinks the latest Marvel movie is fucking amazing because it has incredible special effects but thinks that Rear Window by Hitchcock is trash because it doesn't feature enough explosions. We're clearly after different things, but it seems to me that your dismissal of BOTW is nothing to do with its quality and everything to do with your PC snobbery (I have a ridiculous gaming rig too + VR and all that jazz - it's cool, but I don't feel the need to be a dick about it).
A funny thing. You don't see Nintendo people going into xbox/PS/PC threads to troll, and yet the amount of trolling on these forums from the console warriors is extraordinary, and we get these 'look at me I can use an emulator' posts from the PC brigade once in a while (you could literally copy-paste them) - it seems to me that people are incredibly insecure about their choices and feel the need to belittle others to make themselves feel better. I guess if it makes you happy, knock yourself out, but perhaps you could take a leaf out of the book of the Nintendo people by being chill, enjoying what you have and not being so concerned at what others have - leave them to have fun their way and maybe even join them some time.
I'm not trolling I voiced my opinion as a paying customer and I don't need to legitimise that.
If you think the combat is fine that's on you lmao.
I compare the combat to actually good systems like Sekiro, DMC, Bayonetta, Tsushima, etc.
But OK if you like it.
You think the production values are fine because of the file size? LMAO!
I never give any game bonus points for being on a platform or not.
And yes the animations are objectively shit, not subjectively. They are ultra primitive, a very simple rig and they're not very impressive.
I didn't miss the story, there's not much of it and many people criticise that.
Truth is you feel triggered because I insulted you "masterpiece" and you fucking DARE, you have the fucking AUDACITY, to tell me to stfu and go play something else? What?
And no I don't like Marvel movies, seethe more.
Are the game fun to you at the end?I'm not trolling I voiced my opinion as a paying customer and I don't need to legitimise that.
If you think the combat is fine that's on you lmao.
I compare the combat to actually good systems like Sekiro, DMC, Bayonetta, Tsushima, etc.
But OK if you like it.
You think the production values are fine because of the file size? LMAO!
I never give any game bonus points for being on a platform or not.
And yes the animations are objectively shit, not subjectively. They are ultra primitive, a very simple rig and they're not very impressive.
I didn't miss the story, there's not much of it and many people criticise that.
Truth is you feel triggered because I insulted you "masterpiece" and you fucking DARE, you have the fucking AUDACITY, to tell me to stfu and go play something else? What?
And no I don't like Marvel movies, seethe more.
FactSales != Quality
Animal Crossing sells well, it's trash. Fifa sells well, it's trash. A lot of game sell well despite being trash.
Reasons why BOTW is trash:
-Godawful combat, flurry rush is spastic, janky and unsatisfying compared to other perfect dodge mechanics, same goes for parrying, no animation cancelling, shit animations in the first place, shit enemy variety, framedrops during explosions (aka often), meme stealth mechanics, breaking weapons become annoying real quick
-Pathetic production values that are in no relation to how much money is made with the game, voice acting 404 not found 99% of the time, 2003 called lmao
-What story?
-See that aliasing? It disappears if you get closer
-Even the fastest camera speed is 3 times slower than it should be.
Congrats you played yourself, I have both BOTW and the season pass on my Switch right now.
It gets curbstomped by the CEMU version with CemuHook at up to 240fps so hard it's not even funny. With a legit rig it is mindblowing what you can do with it.
You can 100% it on my rig with motion controls without any bug if you want.
Fact
-Zelda BOTW is the highest rated game in this Gen with the highest perfect scores on Metacritic.
-Zelda BOTW won the game of the decade on Metacritic
-Zelda BOTW sold over 20 million units without an official or permenant price drop , no official bundle and mostly sold at a full $60 price point.
-Great words of mouth without price drop = evergreen monster.
-Didn't need to give away for free or bundled with the game system in order to move the software number like most of Sony and Microsoft 1st party games in order to inflate the number for PR purpose despite pitiful profit margin of the 1st party software sales.
No factual data to support that notion.Annnnd they are leaving 10 - 20 million more by not releasing on all platforms. Heck just go PC and they get 10
Unlike Sony and Microsoft that depend mostly on MTX/Online/Pass/DLC as the main source of business income, Nintendo core business depend on 1st party software sales and Hardware sales by releasing 1st party softwares to another systems it devalues their system greatly as Nintendo made more profits on per hardware sales than Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo also made 100% profit from their software sales on their platforms and don't want to sacrifice platform cut on Steam, Epic, and etc.Annnnd they are leaving 10 - 20 million more by not releasing on all platforms. Heck just go PC and they get 10
Never understood gaf’s hateboner for nintendo...
that said, well deserved. While not my favorite (that goes to major as mask followed behind by OoT) BotW is still in my top ten and argubly one of my favorite games this gen.
Annnnd they are leaving 10 - 20 million more by not releasing on all platforms. Heck just go PC and they get 10
Thats all great for Nintendo and Zelda fans but its not even in the discussion.
Unlike Sony and Microsoft that depend mostly on MTX/Online/Pass/DLC as the main source of business income, Nintendo core business depend on 1st party software sales and Hardware sales by releasing 1st party softwares to another systems it devalues their system greatly as Nintendo made more profits on per hardware sales than Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo also made 100% profit from their software sales on their platforms and don't want to sacrifice platform cut on Steam, Epic, and etc.
Nintendo made more profits than Sony gaming division and Microsoft XBOX division combined in the last FY earning. In this FY Q1 Nintendo record the highest ever profit for game companies thanks to that business strategy.
1.6 million seems low but most hardcore Nintendo fans really wanted to leave the Wii U behind and play BotW on the Switch day one , they wanted the new hotness, casual players only saw Nintendo advertise BotW as a Switch game lol, they never had any idea another version existed or would have cared.
For comparison, Skyward Sword only sold 3.5 million on the 100million+ Wii userbase
My god nintendo fanboys are so cringe.Fact
-Zelda BOTW is the highest rated game in this Gen with the highest perfect scores on Metacritic.
-Zelda BOTW won the game of the decade on Metacritic
-Zelda BOTW sold over 20 million units without an official or permenant price drop , no official bundle and mostly sold at a full $60 price point.
-Great words of mouth without price drop = evergreen monster.
-Didn't need to give away for free or bundled with the game system in order to move the software number like most of Sony and Microsoft 1st party games in order to inflate the number for PR purpose despite pitiful profit margin of the 1st party software sales.
Alot of games companies would kill for selling 20 million copies on 3 years (and the game has stayed full price longer than others) , the others yeah but there are some succes stories like OoT or TP (maybe even ALTTP)Zelda for being so famous it sells pretty shity.
Are these the highest selling Zelda's? I thought they sold more than that tbh.BotW on Switch: 18.60 million
BotW on Wii U: 1.67 million
total: 20.27 million
Sold more than Smash Ultimate in Q1 this FY!
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (NS) as of June 2020 - 18.60m
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64) as of December 2014 - 7.60m
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii) as of December 2014 - 7.26m
The Legend of Zelda (NES) as of December 2014 - 6.51m
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (3DS) as of December 2018 - 6.02m
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) as of December 2014 - 4.76m
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES) as of December 2014 - 4.61
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GC) as of March 2014 - 4.43m
The Legend of Zelda: Adventure of Link (NES) as of December 2014 - 4.38m
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (NS) as of March 2020 - 4.38m
The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds (3DS) as of December 2018 - 4.07m
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons (GBC) as of December 2014 - 3.99m
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (GB) as of December 2014 - 3.83m
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Wii) as of December 2014 - 3.67m
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64) as of December 2014 - 3.36m
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D (3DS) as of December 2018 - 3.09m
The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (DS) as of December 2014 - 2.96m
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (GBA) as of December 2014 - 2.82m
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (WiiU) as of March 2020 - 2.31m
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX (GBC) as of December 2014 - 2.22m
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) as of December 2014 - 1.76m
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (WiiU) as of December 2018 - 1.67m
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GC) as of December 2014 - 1.43m
The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes (3DS) as of December 2018 - 1.33m
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD (WiiU) as of December 2018 - 1.12m
You did, many times too.My god nintendo fanboys are so cringe.
Do I look like I give a single flying fuck about how many side characters bought a game that I myself have played extensively and therefore have an opinion on whether it's successful or not?
I already mentioned sales != quality and you give me this shitstain of a post? What?
What do you want to tell me? That all the stuff I don't like about the game is not legit because people bought it?
Stop trying to convince me that it's a masterpiece when it's not. If you think it is then good luck.
jfc
No need to bring up Microsoft or Sony or any other company that tries to deliver great products that don't need to envy your low poly toys.
Ehhh, it would be short term gain for long term pain. Much of the draw for Nintendo and their platforms is their exclusives, it's having those big titles that you can't get anywhere else but on a Nintendo system. As a result they benefit from secondary revenue streams springing from hardware, accessories and 3rd party licencing. If they lose that exclusivity they sell a few more software units but lose out on multiple other revenue streams which I doubt would be worth the trade.
I'm not sure how not. His points 3-5 are particularily relevant in the context of the topic. The game didn't just sell 20 million, it sold 20 million without bundling and at full price. The vast majority of big sellers achieve their numbers via deep discounting and bundles but this title pulled these numbers while selling as a standalone at full rrp. That's what makes the sales all the crazier.
Depends on what you like about the series.Good game but not even the best Zelda title imo. There's at least 3-4 better ones and its still a solid game but not the GOAT everyone seems to think it is.
I could put butter on a box, call it the next Zelda title and it would sell 10-20 million. Their numbers are pretty predictable.
My god nintendo fanboys are so cringe.
Do I look like I give a single flying fuck about how many side characters bought a game that I myself have played extensively and therefore have an opinion on whether it's successful or not?
I already mentioned sales != quality and you give me this shitstain of a post? What?
What do you want to tell me? That all the stuff I don't like about the game is not legit because people bought it?
Stop trying to convince me that it's a masterpiece when it's not. If you think it is then good luck.
jfc
No need to bring up Microsoft or Sony or any other company that tries to deliver great products that don't need to envy your low poly toys.
I could put butter on a box, call it the next Zelda title and it would sell 10-20 million. Their numbers are pretty predictable.
My god nintendo fanboys are so cringe.
Do I look like I give a single flying fuck about how many side characters bought a game that I myself have played extensively and therefore have an opinion on whether it's successful or not?
I already mentioned sales != quality and you give me this shitstain of a post? What?
What do you want to tell me? That all the stuff I don't like about the game is not legit because people bought it?
Stop trying to convince me that it's a masterpiece when it's not. If you think it is then good luck.
jfc
No need to bring up Microsoft or Sony or any other company that tries to deliver great products that don't need to envy your low poly toys.
Sales != Quality
Animal Crossing sells well, it's trash. Fifa sells well, it's trash. A lot of game sell well despite being trash.
Reasons why BOTW is trash:
-Godawful combat, flurry rush is spastic, janky and unsatisfying compared to other perfect dodge mechanics, same goes for parrying, no animation cancelling, shit animations in the first place, shit enemy variety, framedrops during explosions (aka often), meme stealth mechanics, breaking weapons become annoying real quick
-Pathetic production values that are in no relation to how much money is made with the game, voice acting 404 not found 99% of the time, 2003 called lmao
-What story?
-See that aliasing? It disappears if you get closer
-Even the fastest camera speed is 3 times slower than it should be.
There is no indication that this would be healthy for Nintendo.Annnnd they are leaving 10 - 20 million more by not releasing on all platforms. Heck just go PC and they get 10
You must be kidding. 20 millions copies at FULL price is shitty? No way your post is serious.Zelda for being so famous it sells pretty shity.
There is no indication that this would be healthy for Nintendo.
Zelda is a system seller, remove that exclusive and the Switch would be heavily damaged.
Also pc = higher chance of pirated copies, and Nintendo hates that.
You must be kidding. 20 millions copies at FULL price is shitty? No way your post is serious.
I think botw is a great game but it's no where near my favorite( I think open world games are over rated, it is my favorite open world game though). Is anybody else ticked off about botw replacing traditional Zelda experiences though? I'm glad the game exists but I hate that botw seems to come at the cost of things like skyward sword, oot, and mm.
My god nintendo fanboys are so cringe.
You guys should ask Sony to do the same with TLOU, GOW, Uncharted. Ask Sony why they would never do that.Their fanbase is solid no matter what they do they will survive but this is different time, getting that $$$$ is what counts. If they want to test the waters they should release Mario + Rabbids kingdom battle i know that would sell like fire on Steam/ Epic.
Read OP again.I could put butter on a box, call it the next Zelda title and it would sell 10-20 million. Their numbers are pretty predictable.
You guys should ask Sony to do the same with TLOU, GOW, Uncharted. Ask Sony why they would never do that.
Status of your opinion: discarded.You're name dropping Sekiro, DMC, Bayonetta and Ghost of Tsushima later on but these games are by no means perfect themselves.